Mexico Mexico - David Hartley, 30, Lake Falcon, 30 Sept 2010 #3

[Kimberlyd125]

not to mention BOTH of those people immediately REQUESTED a polygraph to clear them so the police would move away from them as suspects.

Tiffany refuses to do that.

Refuses????
Do you have a link for this?

I thought she said she would take one if they asked her to.

I have never read where she has refused to take one.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Except for the FACT there was ZERO reason to hide THIS body.

Why?
What's the reason THIS body would be any different?

ETA: And what makes it FACT???

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - David Hartley - Pirates shoot US man in Mexican waters #2

This is the post from the last thread that explains about why they would take and hide the body.

ETA: Snipped from the post linked above:

It must also be recognized that any attempt to quantify the death toll in the Mexican cartel wars is quickly complicated by the fact that the cartels have gotten very good at disposing of bodies. Many victims simply disappear, and their murders are never confirmed. For example, in December 2008, American anti-kidnapping consultant Felix Batista disappeared from a meeting at a restaurant in Saltillo, Coahuila state. Batista reportedly was murdered, but no trace of his body was ever found. In addition to dumping bodies in mass graves, using wood chippers or feeding them to vultures, Mexican cartels also have developed innovative ways to dispose of their victims’ corpses. Santiago “El Pozolero” Meza Lopez, a Tijuana cartel enforcer arrested in January 2009, admitted to Mexican authorities that he was responsible for dissolving at least 300 bodies in sodium hydroxide, a process known as making “guiso,” Spanish for “stew.” The cartels can either dispose of a body or mutilate it and leave it to be found, depending on the specific message they wish to send.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Why?
What's the reason THIS body would be any different?

ETA: And what makes it FACT???

So, let me get this straight, the lead investigator was murdered and his head delivered to the military to send the message to stay out of that area, back off the investigation.......yet we are also supposed to believe they hid her husband's body? nahhh.

Not buying it, not for a second. Just like I don't believe they chased her, only to reach her, gun pointed right at her and they FORGOT why they were chasing her to begin with, or had some sort of a pow-wow to decide what to do with her....only to start chasing her and shooting at her again all the way back to US waters.

It defies all logic and reasoning.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

So, let me get this straight, the lead investigator was murdered and his head delivered to the military to send the message to stay out of that area, back off the investigation.......yet we are also supposed to believe they hid her husband's body? nahhh.

Not buying it, not for a second. Just like I don't believe they chased her, only to reach her, gun pointed right at her and they FORGOT why they were chasing her to begin with, or had some sort of a pow-wow to decide what to do with her....only to start chasing her and shooting at her again all the way back to US waters.

It defies all logic and reasoning.

So, this is just a theroy. Not FACT. Not that there is ZERO reason since you don't know there reasoning.

 

[Linda7NJ]

So, this is just a theroy. Not FACT. Not that there is ZERO reason since you don't know there reasoning.

Well, I'll put it this way, *I* believe it's a FACT.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

lol
OK

Fact is something you can prove. (or in WS lingo, can provide a link for)
Theory is something you think happened. (or in WS lingo, something you would put IMO on)

 

[monkeypants]

ummmmm no takers on a motive huh?

 

[monkeypants]

i have searched and searched so feel free to chime in with some links....but all the attacks I can find on that lake on the mexican side by the pirates all include robbery....anyone find anything where its just for jollies? or any that aren't a boat but jet skis?

 

[Linda7NJ]

ummmmm no takers on a motive huh?

I never need a motive.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Just for jollies?

Well, I think the Authorities said they could have thought David was somebody else.
I don't think this was "just for jollies" or a robbery.

I think they thought he was somebody else.

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Just for jollies?

Well, I think the Authorities said they could have thought David was somebody else.
I don't think this was "just for jollies" or a robbery.

I think they thought he was somebody else.

JMO

What "authorities?

The ones that can't search or the ones that don't want to search in that area?

Why would I give their theories more credence than my own?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

not to mention BOTH of those people immediately REQUESTED a polygraph to clear them so the police would move away from them as suspects.

Tiffany refuses to do that.

jdj125,
I'm asking again because I didn't see your answer... do you have information that TH refused a poly?

Also, TH has never been considered a suspect so what would LE have to move away from?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

What "authorities?

The ones that can't search or the ones that don't want to search in that area?

Why would I give their theories more credence than my own?

Why would we give LE's theories more credence than yours???

IDK, maybe because they do this for a living and have seen and know a whole heck of a lot more about the situation there than you ever could. Unless you are LE in a border town.

 

[monkeypants]

any idea how she managed to not get any <except for a small dot-which is what has been reported on her PFD> of his blood and brains as she has said all over herself?

seems to me if she was wrestling with trying to get him "back" on her jet ski she would be covered in blood...face, arms, hair, clothes and jet ski.....but nope...just a drop of blood whose dna has yet to be released....

 

[Linda7NJ]

Refuses????
Do you have a link for this?

I thought she said she would take one if they asked her to.

I have never read where she has refused to take one.

You're right. She didn't refuse. But she certainly didn't say, "sure I will, hook me up, give me one now to end all doubts". She did give some long song and dance in response to the question.

I don't believe law enforcement even offered, it would be stupid to risk her lawyering up and shutting up..... I can't believe LE believes her. Everything she's said, all the contradictions, can be used against her....if it comes to that.

Not that I ever believe it will go to trial, cause I don't.

I think she planned the perfect murder, in the perfect place.

 

[monkeypants]

it was the sheriff that refused the mexican offer to come and investigate with them that said it was mistaken identity......

 

[Kimberlyd125]

You're right. She didn't refuse. But she certainly didn't say, "sure I will, hook me up, give me one now to end all doubts". She did give some long song and dance in response to the question.

I don't believe law enforcement even offered, it would be stupid to risk her lawyering up and shutting up....she has "diarrhea of the mouth" you can't shut her up. I can't believe LE believes her. Everything she's said, all the contradictions, can be used against her....if it comes to that.

Not that I ever believe it will go to trial, cause I don't.

I think she planned the perfect murder, in the perfect place.

Has LE given us ANY indication that she is suspected of doing this?
If not, she's a victim right?

So, she's that smart to plan the perfect murder in the perfect place? But, not smart enough to "keep a story straight" or to lie low?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Why would we give LE's theories more credence than yours???

IDK, maybe because they do this for a living and have seen and know a whole heck of a lot more about the situation there than you ever could. Unless you are LE in a border town.

I don't care whose theory you choose to go with. I simply stated that the Mexican authorities certainly aren't in any hurry to get involved and the US can't. EVERYTHING you hear from either side is SPIN. imo.

I have common sense and no motive, no political aspirations and no reason to excuse the POOR POOR job of dealing with the drug wars & issues on both sides of the border.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

it was the sheriff that refused the mexican offer to come and investigate with them that said it was mistaken identity......

No, it was a US consulate official.

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/2...killed-on-Mexico-border-lake-back-in-Colorado
A U.S. consulate official said last week that David Hartley might have been a victim of mistaken identity. It came after a report by Stratfor, an Austin, Texas-based, public policy research group that analyzes the Mexican drug war, suggested the couple might have been mistaken for drug runners.