MI - Calista Springer, 16, chained to bed, dies in fire, Centreville, 27 Feb 2008

  • #41
I live in Michigan and have a special needs son. Here in Michigan we have a wonderful special needs insurance for the kids that may have been able to help them that is through the state. If DHS would have looked into it more they may have learned they could have gotten a nurse to sit with her at night or found other options. This is very sad. I can not imagine one of my kids chained to a wall in the middle of a fire.
 
  • #42
it is both. the parents may have felt overwhelmed but that does not excuse endangering the life of their child. what is the difference between these parents and the parents that kept their adopted special needs children in cages? i admit the adoptive parents had more children but at least they all lived.


Hmmm. Got me thinking; the difference to me is intent. Sounds like Calista's folks were trying, albeit dysfunctionally, to give her as normal a life as they could. She was in a bed, not a crate on the floor, and restrained only because the parents saw no other way. Here is where the access to services, possibility of other means of dealing with the issues comes in. This to me is a murkier area than someone putting a child in a cage, with all the connotations.

Special thanks to all with experience in these matters for weighing in; it has given a more powerful understanding of the real-life issues involved.

Crypto6
 
  • #43
I've never been in these shoes so I'm not going to judge the parents either. I do know how desperate a person can become from lack of sleep though. I've been in those shoes. After a couple nights of not sleeping I would have taken anything I could get my hands on so that I could sleep...luckily I never overdosed on over-the-counter- meds. A person just gets frantic.

This whole story is just really sad. My heart goes out to everyone who has a special needs child and can't find the help that they need.
 
  • #44
This girl, speaking about this case only, should not have been chained to a bed. Oops, I mean tethered, oh yeah, that sounds nicer. To care for a special needs child, and all children are special needs, everyone of them come with their own unique problems and blessings. We should treat them with humanity and dignity.

At the age of 16, being almost a woman, she should have had a bathroom bedroom combo. If need be locked the doors on the outside, have a communication device inside to make it livable and acceptable. There are ways to get even special needs children to cooperate.

It takes a heart of servitude to take care of someone in need of extra care, my mother is one who is exceptional with those that aren't able. I know quiet a few that have that kind of heart. Most don't. I've learned to become that way. But I would get the rest and breaks as needed in order to be my very best to this disabled person by keeping me healthy.
 
  • #45
I get where you are coming from Amraan. I know it must be frustrating for you and you can identify with these peoples plight, I can not. I have never been there before, you know. Alarms just went off for me when I hear all the times they were reported, something tells me things were not right.
If things were so bad, couldn't a doctor prescribed a sedative? She may have still died in the fire, but had a better chance than she did.
 
  • #46
Amraann is totally correct in that not all disabilities are treated the same by SSI.

Physical disabilities are treated waaayyy differently than behavorial issues.



I feel bad for all parties involved in this tragedy.
 
  • #47
They used to sell an enclosed hospital-type bed for situations like this. They might still, but I know Medicaid stopped paying for them a few years ago because of safety issues. There were a lot of desperate people wondering what they would do to keep their child safe at night. So people find ways of their own with what they have and can afford to help their child stay safe, and yes, probably sleep at night.

Kool Look, I agree with most of what you said, but I do know there are children and adults out there that will not or can't cooperate no matter what you do.

Sleep meds don't always work on children the way they are supposed to, even if you find a dr willing to help. Suppose they had given her sleep meds or Benedryl and she overdosed on that and died. People would be jumping all over that too.

Don't even get me started on all the "help" that is supposedly out there. It's not, and I live in a relatively big city, not some podunk town. For state funds, BCMH, my daughter had to have TWO or more things wrong with her. So were we happy when her seizures stopped and that was one less medical issue we had to worry about? Yes...and no. :( Sorry if that makes me look bad, but extra money comes in handy when you are paying for all their therapies and meds out-of-pocket because of crappy insurance.

And I'm with Amra as far as institutionalizing. No way, not my daughter. If we ever had to do that, you can bet I'd be with her 24/7 there. Just the thought - :sick:

I hope these parents get some support and tell their side of the story. I truly hope they weren't evil to this child....
 
  • #48
If the family was so concerned about the daughters safety and think chaining her to a bed was good parenting...why were they accused of NEGLECT and ABUSE in the past? Parents of the year? I think not! I have a disabled son like I have said already and I remember going to the doctors and not even being able to talk because I was crying so hard and completely overwhelmed and just tired! He would not sleep more than 2 hours at a time we have had the state police called and the highway shut down because he went missing...I have never nor would I ever think of chaining my child up..He is not an animal he is a human being. I wonder how that girl felt totally helpless in that bed chained knowing she was going to burn to death. Wow thanks step mom and daddy! :rolleyes:
 
  • #49
And I'm with Amra as far as institutionalizing. No way, not my daughter. If we ever had to do that, you can bet I'd be with her 24/7 there. Just the thought - :sick:
I don't mean to say that all speacial kids should be put in a home. NOt at all. I meant in this case, if they could not care for her with dignity and respect then they needed to put her in a good home when someone could better care for her.
 
  • #50
I second everything Taximom said above.

TO even find a DR who would prescribe a sedative is next to impossible.

2sisters in theory what you posted above is true but in reality very few such institutions exist. I would also not be quick to think that an institution would provide such great quality care.

As for the parents being investigated I would take that with a grain of salt as well since it likely could simply have stemmed from other people being ignorant about a child with disabilities.
If DCF was involved why were they not getting these people the support they need?
 
  • #51
I don't mean to say that all speacial kids should be put in a home. NOt at all. I meant in this case, if they could not care for her with dignity and respect then they needed to put her in a good home when someone could better care for her.

Oh, I know, 2sisters. :blowkiss: This story pains my heart because I see both sides. Like Amra, and others here, I could never chain my child up. It's just I can see this happening if you aren't creative, don't have all the support you might need, and just don't think like some of us do. (Does that make sense?!) I can't imagine what she was going through those last few minutes. :(
 
  • #52
  • #53
Oh, I know, 2sisters. :blowkiss: This story pains my heart because I see both sides. Like Amra, and others here, I could never chain my child up. It's just I can see this happening if you aren't creative, don't have all the support you might need, and just don't think like some of us do. (Does that make sense?!) I can't imagine what she was going through those last few minutes. :(
i have always found your post to be from your heart and i know you have a child with special needs so i hope you can help me understand something about how people feel about this case. i am sure you have read me say i love a debate but i am not looking for that here because i know how personal this issue is for many of our posters. i am just looking for insight into how other see this issue.

i have read posters say not to judge the parents, they have suffered enough, or until you have been in there shoes you can not understand. i had a child with colic and i understand lack of sleep. i understand not following logic when you are in that situation. i would beg a 3 month old to stop crying and just sleep. promise her anything as we both cried. i never taped a pacifier over her mouth so i could sleep. i understand why parents have done that but it is neglect and can lead to the death of your child.

what i dont understand is why the fact people understand the parents frustration would make the parents not guilty of neglect. i will never really understand what a parent of a special needs child deals with.

these parents had been warned of the danger of doing this but did it anyway. isnt that the very definition of neglect? knowing your child is in danger if you do something and doing it anyway. if understanding their pain does not lead to justification of their actions then how would it lead to them not facing punishment for the actions they knowingly took?

edt:i have a amazing respect for the trials parents like you and Amra face daily. if this is to personal i am sorry. no insult was intended.
 
  • #54
sherri, I am torn myself about the same issues. I find myself getting righteous about the grandma that sticks her grandson in a poopy doghouse for 3 hours, but I can find (a little) empathy for these parents that chained their dd to the bed...and then she dies a horrible death. So I totally get where you are coming from as I'm struggling with this myself.

I know you are speaking from your heart and mind, sherri, so I am not upset at you or anyone else for how you feel. :blowkiss:

So for now, I just need to think about this more, I think.
 
  • #55
sherri, I am torn myself about the same issues. I find myself getting righteous about the grandma that sticks her grandson in a poopy doghouse for 3 hours, but I can find (a little) empathy for these parents that chained their dd to the bed...and then she dies a horrible death. So I totally get where you are coming from as I'm struggling with this myself.

I know you are speaking from your heart and mind, sherri, so I am not upset at you or anyone else for how you feel. :blowkiss:

So for now, I just need to think about this more, I think.
thank you for your understanding of my motives in asking. :blowkiss:

i feel this was clearly a case of neglect but not all neglect cases are equal in my eyes. a mom who leaves her children home alone while she goes bar hopping and they die in a fire is also guilty of neglect. the party mom and the overwhelmed parents committed the same crime with the same results but they are 2 totally different cases in my eyes. to me both parents committed a crime and will need to pay for it in a court but the sentences should be at opposite ends of the scale. motive should be a huge deciding factor in who gets probation and who gets prison. does that make sense?
 
  • #56
sherri, you know the other two cases that confuse my feelings are where the parent goes out partying while leaving their child in the hot/freezing car vs. the mom that had to go to work (or lose her job) and left her children in the car and they died. I get more upset with the partying parent than the parent that is afraid of losing her job, even though children died in both cases.

So yes, your comment(s) make sense to me.
 
  • #57
Cautiously weighing in here. When I saw the headline for this thread, I knew right away this was going to be a child with disabilities.

First of all there is much information we do not have about this situation. There are several clues however, if we take what has been reported as true. (the source of information should always be critically assessed). We do not know the specific nature of Calista’s disability or emotional problems. “Facts” which have been reported include a history of DHS and CPS involvement, accusations of neglect, reports that she was not properly being looked after (i.e. the school supplying personal hygiene products). Her father says that Calista was a “compulsive liar”. This tells us that she was able to communicate. It also indicates there was dysfunction in the family. It seems clear to me that there was more going on here than just her “impairments”. They were advised not to tie her to her bed for “safety reasons”, how about humane reasons? How were her siblings treated? We assume, perhaps incorrectly, that all of her difficulties can be attributed to her “special needs”. I suspect (obviously I don’t KNOW) that some of her behaviours at least were a result of her upbringing, the way she was treated, and the dynamics in the family. One example is the reference to past attempts to “escape”.


Amraann points out that people with physical disabilities are treated differently than those with cognitive/developmental/intellectual disabilities. I am not familiar with supports in the US but I have no doubt this is true for a number of reasons. One, is that those of us who are able to speak up and advocate for ourselves have being so increasingly over the past 30 years or so years with the advent of the disability rights movement and the resulting discrimination legislation that has been put in place in many countries. For those of us with physical disabilities the removal of barriers is easier to identify and tackle, and when barriers are removed, and adequate supports put in place, the impact of our physical differences to those of the majority is ameliorated. I believe this strategy can be applied to those with cognitive/developmental/intellectual disabilities as well. Kool Look points out that all children have special needs. I agree very much with this point. In fact all children have common needs as well, food, shelter, security and unconditional love (help me out, Maslov’s Hierarchy of Needs anyone?). How those needs are satisfied will not be the same for all, and this is where equality does not necessarily mean being treated the same. Amraann hit the nail on the head - the problem is lack of support for disabled people and their families. Disabled children only have their parents and the community to advocate on their behalf. Factors such as financial resources, family supports, education, access to information, geography and previous experience with disability prior to becoming parents of a disabled child, to name just a few, have an impact on the ability of families to properly advocate on behalf of their children. Even in Canada where we supposedly have universal healthcare, access to services for people with disabilities varies drastically depending on where you happen to live. We need to have a basic strategy of removing barriers where possible and providing supports where removing barriers is not enough. By barriers I don’t just mean providing ramps and curb cuts for wheelchair users like myself. Its much more complex, barriers come in the form of policy, financial and social to name a few. Society is built around the needs of the non-disabled majority but the truth is everyone has the potential to experience disability either directly or indirectly and this is especially true with an increasing ageing population. There is after all only one alternative to growing old. It is in all of our best interest, not just those directly affected now, to ensure proper supports are in place for those considered not “normal” or fully functioning.

I sincerely hope the cause of this fire will be fully investigated and found to be accidental. I am not accusing the parents of intentionally killing their daughter; on the other hand I won’t be surprised if that turns out to be the case. The pending foreclosure on the house was reported in a post here, though I didn’t see it in any of the links I read. Could this have been a factor? Again I don’t know about the US but in Canada there have been a number of cases in the news of parents killing their disabled children. I have no doubt this has always occurred, we are just finally hearing about it more. There was a case being discussed on the news this morning here of a mother who drowned her 2 year old autistic daughter when she was told there was no cure. Another renowned Canadian case is that of Tracey Latimer, a 9 year old girl born with Cerebral Palsy. Tracey’s father put her in the family car and directed the exhaust into the car. Once she was dead, he put her to bed and claimed she died in her sleep. Autopsy of course revealed her cause of death and he then claimed it was a “mercy” killing. The publicity surrounding her case has been very controversial since her death. It’s a much longer story that I won’t get into now but my point about her case is that with the exception of the disability community, Latimer has received a huge amount of public support. He was recently released on parole after serving 7 years in prison. Most people believe he should never have gone to prison in the first place. If anyone is interested in hearing more about the controversy surrounding the Latimer case, it is being addressed this afternoon on CBC Radio at 4pm Eastern time this afternoon. You can access the program live on the internet by going to www.cbc.ca and clicking on radio – follow the links from there.

Climbing off my soapbox now. Sorry for such a long post and thank you to those of you who took the time to read it.
 
  • #58
I don't agree, this isn't directed at any certain poster. I've seen families with 12 14 16 kids, one woman and one man took and raised a family.

How can two adults not take care of one human being? I raised three kids, plus a husband, other kids at my house twenty four seven and it was alot of work, but I did it. I did it all by myself.

I still don't know what her alledged disability was. For her to be chained down, did she have bouncing jumping runitis?
 
  • #59
Just a note: Many people whose houses are in foreclosure burn them down for the insurance money.

This couple might have killed two birds with one stone.

I am VERY suspicious of them.
 
  • #60
thank you for your understanding of my motives in asking. :blowkiss:

i feel this was clearly a case of neglect but not all neglect cases are equal in my eyes. a mom who leaves her children home alone while she goes bar hopping and they die in a fire is also guilty of neglect. the party mom and the overwhelmed parents committed the same crime with the same results but they are 2 totally different cases in my eyes. to me both parents committed a crime and will need to pay for it in a court but the sentences should be at opposite ends of the scale. motive should be a huge deciding factor in who gets probation and who gets prison. does that make sense?
This poster has echoed my feelings.

Not all parents are automatically endowed with good judgment - While working in protective services, I've seen many, many cases where parents loved their children, but were totally blind to the potential harm some of their solutions to problems could cause. The fact that these parents had been investigated in the past and warned about the dangers - plus the fact that firemen said the alarm system was working - makes me think that this may well be a case of neglect / abuse.
 

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