GUILTY MI - Carnel Chamberlain, 4, Mount Pleasant, 21 June 2012 #2

[longtallcold]

I'm still a MI Social worker, just not a CPS worker anymore. I work in the field of Domestic Violence and the courts. I do believe that if JC was reported and she did figure out who did it, the grandmother may never got to see Carnell again. It is very hard to figure out if you should report a family member, because of the conflict it could cause in the family or loosing part of your family.

Im so torn by this, because by God if it were my own daughter even, id report it

 

[Cubby]

I, for one, would prefer grandma NOT be sleuthed regarding why/why not go for custody..or any other reason. I am quite certain, she is living her own personal hell that I hope none of us ever have to live.

I don't think we are sleuthing grandma or asking to sleuth grandma. I read the response from tunker simply as sharing experience working with CPS.

 

[Cubby]

Who, in your opinion SAW or WITNESSES the abuse in the one month?

I'm not looking at this from the one month pov. I am looking at this considering Carnel's history from birth, in addition to very early msm reports or comments with family stating they warned mom about AB.....

If there were no history with mom and AB, I could fully understand grandma and other family members feeling helpless. From the outside looking in, at least half the battle appears to have already been proven in the courts with documented civil and criminal priors. IOW many i's were already dotted and many t's already crossed.

I think Jacie said it best, or presented the best possibility. She asked if AB's family was somehow politically connected. Even if Jaimee and Carnel were never in the equation, how is someone with a rap sheet like AB 's not incarcerated? How has he beaten the system so many times prior to his ever crossing paths with Jaimee and Carnel?

 

[Cubby]

Cubby, it was strickly my personal opinion -- no facts. What does LE stand for?

LE is the abbreviation for Law Enforcement.

Here is the link for WS lingo/abbreviations we used often:

NEW Websleuths Lingo - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[OtherEyes]

So this is BIA Housing where she lived, rather than privately owned? TIA It surprises me because I have seen incidents, not murder though, in BIA Housing and Tribal Police handled it instead of BIA.

Jacie, what is BIA? TIA

ETA... Sorry, I see I was not the only one to question this.:blushing:
But thank you Jacie for all your knowledge, you have taught me a great deal!:smile:

 

[OtherEyes]

longtallcold,
You are an amazing person! You seem to have such a great big heart and I can feel it is truly broken. I'm so very sorry for the pain you carry as one who truly was searching to bring this precious boy home. It can be very hard when we find ourselves grieving deeply for those that we come to love in such a short amount of time. I worked in a Trauma 1, neonatal and pediatric ICU. We got the worst of the worst cases sent to our hospital. Many of these cases were what we called "non accidental traumas". These were the hardest to work on as these children were in the hospital near death and often would die due to their own parents wickedness. It was hard to work on these precious children without taking time out to just cry and grieve for them. While our circumstances may be very different and so I can't know what you are going through exactly, I can send my prayers your way and pray for you to have peace. Carnel knows what you have done to try to help him and I'm sure he smiles upon you.

I hope you take the time you need to heal and then find the strength to help someone else again. You have a loving heart. May it be healed soon.:heart::hug:

 

[mmmagique]

Is there any new info on Jaimee? Has she shown up anywhere?

 

[Jacie Estes]

The Bureau of Indian Affairs Police, usually known as the BIA Police, is the law enforcement arm of the Bureau of Indian Affairs which polices Indian tribes and reservations that do not have their own police force, and oversees other tribal police organizations. BIA Police services are provided through the Office of Justice Services Law Enforcement.[1]

A BIA Police Officer is a federal police officer who enforces federal law relating to Indian Country, including, but not limited to Title 16, Title 18, and Title 21 of the United States Code, as well as the Code of Federal Regulations. The BIA has nationwide jurisdiction to enforce federal law relating to crimes committed within or involving Indian Country and officers are usually found near the various Indian reservations. BIA Police Officers may enforce tribal law if the tribe consents by deputizing the BIA and its officers. In some cases, BIA Police Officers are granted authority to enforce tribal law by tribal ordinance or statute. They may also be granted authority to enforce state laws by state statute.

Bureau of Indian Affairs Police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm still stumped, looking forward to ToosieJoie's responses from teacher and friend. The only thing I can think is that Saginaw Chippewa has given them blanket consent. That should change, considering they wouldn't let Tribal and FBI in the area without a warrant.

 

[mahoolin]

I think what hurts me to think about the most is how Carnel must have felt the last few weeks of his life. Children that age are fearless and incredibly physically resilient. But, at the end of the day want their mom, grandma, caregiver -fill In the blank. Their comfort comes from their familiar loving routines.

I'm so sad thinking that he was most likely living in a pretty cold home. No snuggling at night, no stories, no I love yous... Or not consistent ones. Probably fending for himself, and likely afraid to do that when left alone with AB in the evenings.

He must have been so confused at the change in his little world. Children are so trusting, and love everyone unconditionally at that age.

No wonder the light was gone from his pretty little eyes in that pic of him with his shaved head....

MHOO, just musings...

 

[Jacie Estes]

I think what hurts me to think about the most is how Carnel must have felt the last few weeks of his life. Children that age are fearless and incredibly physically resilient. But, at the end of the day want their mom, grandma, caregiver -fill In the blank. Their comfort comes from their familiar loving routines.

I'm so sad thinking that he was most likely living in a pretty cold home. No snuggling at night, no stories, no I love yous... Or not consistent ones. Probably fending for himself, and likely afraid to do that when left alone with AB in the evenings.

He must have been so confused at the change in his little world. Children are so trusting, and love everyone unconditionally at that age.

No wonder the light was gone from his pretty little eyes in that pic of him with his shaved head....

MHOO, just musings...

I've wondered if AB was smoking dope around him and he had a contact high, his eyes are glassy. If AB buzzed his hair off, put the glasses on him and blew smoke in his face.

 

[mahoolin]

I've wondered if AB was smoking dope around him and he had a contact high, his eyes are glassy. If AB buzzed his hair off, put the glasses on him and blew smoke in his face.

True, or tears welling up, being forced to pose -afraid not to give the cursory smile. It looks so forced.

 

[ToosieJoie33]

Jacie: I found this article mentioning the BIA's involement.

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/07/timeline_the_search_for_carnel.html

Here is a direct quote from the article: "•Wednesday, June 27
Investigators from the Bureau of Indian Affairs arrived on scene to assist with the search.
'

 

[ToosieJoie33]

Here is a pdf timeline I found from the Saginaw Chippewas. It only goes til Wed--the day before Carnel was found.

http://www.sagchip.org/publicrelations/images/2012/CarnelChamberlainTimeLine.pdf

 

[beach]

Give me tonight to catch up on the facts of this case. After reviewing, I will get with the owners, Tricia & Sue, and give y'all an update regarding the sleuthing parameters.

I'm not sure who is sleuthable until I catch up on the facts here.

ty beach - I appreciate the mods hard work. I was totally on the mom is a victim train too, but I had to get off awhile ago.

Mod note:

Following up here.

2 players are sleuthable at this time -

the perp, Anthony Bennett, and

the bio mom, Jaimee Chamberlain.


A word regarding WS "victim-friendly" policy -

We often see this misinterpreted. Understandable, the "rules" can get a bit confusing so I'm going to take this opportunity to try to add a little clarity. As most of you who have posted here for any length of time at all realize by now that there are no black & white, across the board rules, 'one size fits all' of what we permit or who is considered a "victim" in each case. Cases differ on nearly every level - we have to consider the circumstances of each one separately and decide accordingly. Websleuths, first and foremost, is victim-friendly toward the actual victim - in this case, Carnel Chamberlain.

Jaimee has admitted that she was aware of the abuse of Carnel by AB, however she chose to never report it, she obviously (at the very least) minimized the danger and showed a complete lack of responsibility by allowing AB to still keep Carnel when she was not there to protect him. Whether she regrets it now is another matter. And, in the eyes of WS, it really doesn't matter whether she regrets it or not. The fact remains that she is culpable on some level for not protecting Carnel when he was in her care. Therefore, she is sleuthable.

 

[matou]

Does Jaimee have any known usernames or a facebook?

 

[Mimiof8]

Does Jaimee have any known usernames or a facebook?

https://www.facebook.com/jaimee.l.chamberlain

 

[Woodland]

If it's possible to wonder if AB was smoking dope around Carnel, could Jamie have been doing the same? I don't see AB as the only one to take pictures of Carnel.

 

[Woodland]

Chuckles, Judge Judy uses the Mark Twain quote a lot.

 

[matou]

Q: Was Jaimee in a rehab program on her rez?

 

[katydid23]

I was just reading back at the very start of this thread. And in the very first pages, members here went and found Jaimies FB, and they all said " wow, only ONE picture of Carnel on her FB." Looking back, I find that very telling. Most single moms of four yr olds that adorable have many many cute pix of them.