GUILTY MI - Carnel Chamberlain, 4, Mount Pleasant, 21 June 2012 #2

[JusticeforCarnel]

Oh, are you serious? I must have alot of anger with these perps, because, I am ashamed to say it, but, I was actually happy that he did that to himself. Isn't that terrible? :blushing:

I'm tired of all the sweet, innocent victims.

I was excited too...sad to say but its true. I don't think he has the balls to off himself though...I was just hoping one of the inmates took justice into their own hands.

 

[wildchild1961]

From the same link:

She said hate and negative comments directed toward Jaimee Chamberlain are unnecessary. This is Jaimee's sister speaking. I agree with her; those who do not understand the dynamics of abuse will not understand.

Family members said Jaimee is being sheltered because she fears violence in retaliation for her speaking to investigators about the case. I have no doubt that anyone in AB's family would or could go after her.


http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/07/jaimee_chamberlain_is_not_runn.html

BBM.. really? honestly and truly.. you KNOW this statement is fact????

Because I just happened to have lived in a very abusive marriage for over 15 years, was married to him at 16.. and thank god he left me because I never had a clue how or why I should leave him because he was my whole life and that was just what life was like. Once he left.. I got help... changed my friends.. changed my life and NEVER went back to it. I UNDERSTAND the dynamics of abuse just as much as many others on here and frankly.. much more than others who speak about it because they have witnessed it secondhand but have no real basis in what it is like to live it very long term.

For someone to say that no one can understand unless they have been there.. is just WRONG.. Completely inaccurate, misleading and disrespectful. I have very valid and strong opinions on it BECAUSE I HAAAAAAAAAAAVE BEEN THERE and so have many many others on this thread, which is what folks keep saying over and over. THERE ARE MANY MANY MANY POSTERS ON HERE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND AND HAVE BEEN THERE. And with very much respect for the fact that all can agree to disagree on this topic. I find the above bolded statement disrespectful biased and thoughtless and seems to have been said just to help prove an unpopular point. There are MANY of us who HAVE been there that do NOT understand nor condone Jamie's choices, it is NOT a one size fits all.. as much as folks want it to be. Its not about.. "everyone is out to get her because they don't have a clue what her life on the rez is about". THAT is called a "free pass: and it does NO good at all for Jamie to receive one.. it does NOT help her and I reeeeeeally reeeeeeeeeally reeeeeeeeeeeeally want this girl to be helped. She seems like she is a basically good person.. but it is doing her NO GOOD to be allowed to live these choices without consequence. I want to HELP the girl.. not pat her on the back and hug her and say .. h poor you.. you grew up on the rez and all the problems there.. poor poor thing" HELL NO.. I want to enable her and help her grow a pair of the biggest cajones out there .. to the point she won't look twice at the next abusive idiot prancing into her life. I want her to be the strong and caring and loving person she CAN be and to become that person.. she needs to stand up for her part in this and take her lumps for it. SHE NEEDS TO.. as a person.. to enable herself to heal from this. My god.. the path she is on now if there are no consequences is insane. Can you imagine carrying all the guilt around from someone HORRIFICALLY KILLING a child in your care because you were too wrapped up in some guy and you SEEN it happening??? If she wasn't abusing drugs before.. she sure as hell is thinking about going back to them right now. There is NOTHING happening in her life right now.. that will change her "core" UNLESS she has to take accountability for what her part was in this.

It is NOT about people trying to persecute poor little Jamie.. it is about people who HAVE been there and UNDERSTAND how hard that life is and what it does to your head and decision making, KNOWING that at a certain time in your adult life.. you NEED to take responsibility for your own choices in life PARTICULARLY when there are children involved. I, for one.. would like to go on record as saying.. I completely disagree with your statement because I DO UNDERSTAND and I DO NOT AGREE WITH Jamie's choices.

Now I am going to take myself to a corner, take my time out and settle down. I mean no disrespect to you, Jacie. I get the strong feeling that you are a very nice person.. but I completely 100% was highly offended by that statement. To imply that other posters opinions aren't valid because they never have been slapped around or did drugs or lived on the rez is bull puckey and insulting. To imply that all folks who HAVE lived it are the only ones who can understand Jamie's choices.. is just as offensive. I understand you are frustrated because you seem to see this as a witch hunt against her but that doesn't give anyone a right to disrespect others opinions who feel differently than yours.

Jamie NEEDS to get in legal trouble for this.. she NEEDS TO take her lumps and get so completely down that she breaks... she has to WANT help.. neeeeeeed it.. craaaaaaaaaave it. She HAS to realize deep within her soul and her entire being.. that SHE played a HUGE role in this by allowing that idiot in her child's life and doing nothing when she seen it happening... Because only then.. will she change this cycle.

And most of all.. she NEEDS to be allowed to be GUILTY for her part in it and take the punishment, whatever it is, from others.. from LE.. .. its the only way she will be able to truly forgive herself. THAT would be my gift to Jamie.. if I could giver her one. And I say that with complete love and concern and compassion for her as as a fellow human being who is going through an unimaginable situation.

THIS I HAVE LEARNED and I UNDERSTAND.. from BEING THERE.


Pat

 

[tlcya]

[respectfully snipped for brevity] Jacie. I get the strong feeling that you are a very nice person.

wildchild, I am sorry you took Jacie's post that way as I am 100% sure that was not how it was intended. I did not take from her post that she feels anyone disagreeing or not understanding is wrong and her post in no way discourages others with differing viewpoints from expressing them. I have not seen her saying that JC deserves or does not deserve consequences for her failure to act.

I have simply seen her say that she agrees with JC's sister that hatred and negativity directed at JC is unnecessary. And I have seen her say that DV is a very complicated issue which many do not understand. Her statement, while strongly worded, was clearly an opinion and not alleged to be a "fact"

As angry as I am at JC for not protecting her child, my being venomous about it serves no good so I tend to agree with the sister in that regard. I hope she has to account for her failure as a mother but I will let Federal and Tribal law handle that. I am not judge jury and executioner.

I hope you continue to post about carnel. I can tell you feel very passionately about this case, as do we all.

 

[laniefi]

BBM.. really? honestly and truly.. you KNOW this statement is fact????

Because I just happened to have lived in a very abusive marriage for over 15 years, was married to him at 16.. and thank god he left me because I never had a clue how or why I should leave him because he was my whole life and that was just what life was like. Once he left.. I got help... changed my friends.. changed my life and NEVER went back to it. I UNDERSTAND the dynamics of abuse just as much as many others on here and frankly.. much more than others who speak about it because they have witnessed it secondhand but have no real basis in what it is like to live it very long term.

For someone to say that no one can understand unless they have been there.. is just WRONG.. Completely inaccurate, misleading and disrespectful. I have very valid and strong opinions on it BECAUSE I HAAAAAAAAAAAVE BEEN THERE and so have many many others on this thread, which is what folks keep saying over and over. THERE ARE MANY MANY MANY POSTERS ON HERE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND AND HAVE BEEN THERE. And with very much respect for the fact that all can agree to disagree on this topic. I find the above bolded statement disrespectful biased and thoughtless and seems to have been said just to help prove an unpopular point. There are MANY of us who HAVE been there that do NOT understand nor condone Jamie's choices, it is NOT a one size fits all.. as much as folks want it to be. Its not about.. "everyone is out to get her because they don't have a clue what her life on the rez is about". THAT is called a "free pass: and it does NO good at all for Jamie to receive one.. it does NOT help her and I reeeeeeally reeeeeeeeeally reeeeeeeeeeeeally want this girl to be helped. She seems like she is a basically good person.. but it is doing her NO GOOD to be allowed to live these choices without consequence. I want to HELP the girl.. not pat her on the back and hug her and say .. h poor you.. you grew up on the rez and all the problems there.. poor poor thing" HELL NO.. I want to enable her and help her grow a pair of the biggest cajones out there .. to the point she won't look twice at the next abusive idiot prancing into her life. I want her to be the strong and caring and loving person she CAN be and to become that person.. she needs to stand up for her part in this and take her lumps for it. SHE NEEDS TO.. as a person.. to enable herself to heal from this. My god.. the path she is on now if there are no consequences is insane. Can you imagine carrying all the guilt around from someone HORRIFICALLY KILLING a child in your care because you were too wrapped up in some guy and you SEEN it happening??? If she wasn't abusing drugs before.. she sure as hell is thinking about going back to them right now. There is NOTHING happening in her life right now.. that will change her "core" UNLESS she has to take accountability for what her part was in this.

It is NOT about people trying to persecute poor little Jamie.. it is about people who HAVE been there and UNDERSTAND how hard that life is and what it does to your head and decision making, KNOWING that at a certain time in your adult life.. you NEED to take responsibility for your own choices in life PARTICULARLY when there are children involved. I, for one.. would like to go on record as saying.. I completely disagree with your statement because I DO UNDERSTAND and I DO NOT AGREE WITH Jamie's choices.

Now I am going to take myself to a corner, take my time out and settle down. I mean no disrespect to you, Jacie. I get the strong feeling that you are a very nice person.. but I completely 100% was highly offended by that statement. To imply that other posters opinions aren't valid because they never have been slapped around or did drugs or lived on the rez is bull puckey and insulting. To imply that all folks who HAVE lived it are the only ones who can understand Jamie's choices.. is just as offensive. I understand you are frustrated because you seem to see this as a witch hunt against her but that doesn't give anyone a right to disrespect others opinions who feel differently than yours.

Jamie NEEDS to get in legal trouble for this.. she NEEDS TO take her lumps and get so completely down that she breaks... she has to WANT help.. neeeeeeed it.. craaaaaaaaaave it. She HAS to realize deep within her soul and her entire being.. that SHE played a HUGE role in this by allowing that idiot in her child's life and doing nothing when she seen it happening... Because only then.. will she change this cycle.

And most of all.. she NEEDS to be allowed to be GUILTY for her part in it and take the punishment, whatever it is, from others.. from LE.. .. its the only way she will be able to truly forgive herself. THAT would be my gift to Jamie.. if I could giver her one. And I say that with complete love and concern and compassion for her as as a fellow human being who is going through an unimaginable situation.

THIS I HAVE LEARNED and I UNDERSTAND.. from BEING THERE.


Pat

I am truly sorry what you went through!

Speaking strictly for myself, when I say "I don't understand because it never happened to me". I certainly DO NOT mean that I accept or agree JC's actions. I simply feel ill equipt to say "If I was JC, this is what I would do"...

I can tell you what I BELIEVE I would have done and it invloves AB taking a dirt nap out back of the ol' homestead, but I digress...

YOU have been there, and walked in those shoes and God bless you - made it out alive.

It is the sum of all of our experiences, and how that shapes our perspective that makes this forum great.

 

[JusticeforCarnel]

BBM.. really? honestly and truly.. you KNOW this statement is fact????

Because I just happened to have lived in a very abusive marriage for over 15 years, was married to him at 16.. and thank god he left me because I never had a clue how or why I should leave him because he was my whole life and that was just what life was like. Once he left.. I got help... changed my friends.. changed my life and NEVER went back to it. I UNDERSTAND the dynamics of abuse just as much as many others on here and frankly.. much more than others who speak about it because they have witnessed it secondhand but have no real basis in what it is like to live it very long term.

For someone to say that no one can understand unless they have been there.. is just WRONG.. Completely inaccurate, misleading and disrespectful. I have very valid and strong opinions on it BECAUSE I HAAAAAAAAAAAVE BEEN THERE and so have many many others on this thread, which is what folks keep saying over and over. THERE ARE MANY MANY MANY POSTERS ON HERE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND AND HAVE BEEN THERE. And with very much respect for the fact that all can agree to disagree on this topic. I find the above bolded statement disrespectful biased and thoughtless and seems to have been said just to help prove an unpopular point. There are MANY of us who HAVE been there that do NOT understand nor condone Jamie's choices, it is NOT a one size fits all.. as much as folks want it to be. Its not about.. "everyone is out to get her because they don't have a clue what her life on the rez is about". THAT is called a "free pass: and it does NO good at all for Jamie to receive one.. it does NOT help her and I reeeeeeally reeeeeeeeeally reeeeeeeeeeeeally want this girl to be helped. She seems like she is a basically good person.. but it is doing her NO GOOD to be allowed to live these choices without consequence. I want to HELP the girl.. not pat her on the back and hug her and say .. h poor you.. you grew up on the rez and all the problems there.. poor poor thing" HELL NO.. I want to enable her and help her grow a pair of the biggest cajones out there .. to the point she won't look twice at the next abusive idiot prancing into her life. I want her to be the strong and caring and loving person she CAN be and to become that person.. she needs to stand up for her part in this and take her lumps for it. SHE NEEDS TO.. as a person.. to enable herself to heal from this. My god.. the path she is on now if there are no consequences is insane. Can you imagine carrying all the guilt around from someone HORRIFICALLY KILLING a child in your care because you were too wrapped up in some guy and you SEEN it happening??? If she wasn't abusing drugs before.. she sure as hell is thinking about going back to them right now. There is NOTHING happening in her life right now.. that will change her "core" UNLESS she has to take accountability for what her part was in this.

It is NOT about people trying to persecute poor little Jamie.. it is about people who HAVE been there and UNDERSTAND how hard that life is and what it does to your head and decision making, KNOWING that at a certain time in your adult life.. you NEED to take responsibility for your own choices in life PARTICULARLY when there are children involved. I, for one.. would like to go on record as saying.. I completely disagree with your statement because I DO UNDERSTAND and I DO NOT AGREE WITH Jamie's choices.

Now I am going to take myself to a corner, take my time out and settle down. I mean no disrespect to you, Jacie. I get the strong feeling that you are a very nice person.. but I completely 100% was highly offended by that statement. To imply that other posters opinions aren't valid because they never have been slapped around or did drugs or lived on the rez is bull puckey and insulting. To imply that all folks who HAVE lived it are the only ones who can understand Jamie's choices.. is just as offensive. I understand you are frustrated because you seem to see this as a witch hunt against her but that doesn't give anyone a right to disrespect others opinions who feel differently than yours.

Jamie NEEDS to get in legal trouble for this.. she NEEDS TO take her lumps and get so completely down that she breaks... she has to WANT help.. neeeeeeed it.. craaaaaaaaaave it. She HAS to realize deep within her soul and her entire being.. that SHE played a HUGE role in this by allowing that idiot in her child's life and doing nothing when she seen it happening... Because only then.. will she change this cycle.

And most of all.. she NEEDS to be allowed to be GUILTY for her part in it and take the punishment, whatever it is, from others.. from LE.. .. its the only way she will be able to truly forgive herself. THAT would be my gift to Jamie.. if I could giver her one. And I say that with complete love and concern and compassion for her as as a fellow human being who is going through an unimaginable situation.

THIS I HAVE LEARNED and I UNDERSTAND.. from BEING THERE.


Pat

Thank you so much for that insight. I am so glad you posted this.

you are a very strong person.

 

[laniefi]

Carnel Chamberlain tragedy has 'forever changed' tribal community, Kevin Chamberlain says

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/i..._a_long_time_before.html#incart_river_default

 

[Woodland]

Thank-you wildchild1961 - I was wondering how to post my feelings that I in fact see both sides of the issue - you did it for me.

I do in fact 'get it' for some of the same reason you post, albeit not as severe, and I do not agree Jamie deserves a pass for not reporting or taking action on the abuse of her son. I dislike being advised I am not educated enough on the issue, when in fact I am.

How long have the domestic abuse campaigns been around and where does society go following years of these campaigns? Seems to me no steps forward are being considered here. That's the part I don't get.

 

[JusticeforCarnel]

This just broke my heart...


George Lucas
carnell had a little dog name dargon ball.... my mom left him down in tx to come search for carnell. i guess a week ago he was out side and didnt want to come in. so they got him a pillow and let him sleep outside for the night... he went too sleep and i he never woke up... all this happen the week we were looking for carnell.


At least he has his puppy in heaven with him.

 

[HeinekenMan]

Still no murder charges? How about focusing on that and canning the stuff that has been debated ad nauseum. Why hasn't he been charged with murder yet?

 

[tlcya]

Good question HeinekenMan, and one I would dearly love an answer to as well.

 

[katydid23]

They have to have a lot of evidence against him, don't they? He was the only one home when the body was burned and buried. Doesn't that point to his guilt?

I guess a slick defense attorney could try and say he was just covering up an accident, but i think the statements already made by Jaimie, describing the abuse, would counter that defense.

 

[tlcya]

I have never understood why he wasn't charged immediately, at least at the same time as the abuse charges. So frustrating. Like the Jhessye Shockley case. LE knows mom did it, public knows mom did it, siblings recount abuse of Jhessye, mom charged with abuse, then released and STILL not charged with murder.

I hope Carnel's case does not become the waiting game that Jhessye's has. I can't take another one of those right now.

 

[ToosieJoie33]

This just broke my heart...


George Lucas
carnell had a little dog name dargon ball.... my mom left him down in tx to come search for carnell. i guess a week ago he was out side and didnt want to come in. so they got him a pillow and let him sleep outside for the night... he went too sleep and i he never woke up... all this happen the week we were looking for carnell.


At least he has his puppy in heaven with him.

The puppy knew.

 

[katydid23]

The puppy knew.

I agree. I think the puppy went on a journey with Carnel, Bless His Heart.

 

[mahoolin]

Ok, devil's advocate here again.

We know pretty much who killed Carnel. We're easy to please. Juries can poke holes in "we just know he did, because, well, he's a bad dude".

There wasn't a lot of physical evidence on the body if I understood correctly. They both lived in the house, so fingerprints everywhere already, yes she went to work that day, but it really boils down to a he-said, she-said. If there's not a believable sighting of Carnel on Thursday - prosecution would have to say JC could have been - if not the one who did it - at least involved.

I'm sure they're getting their ducks in a row.

Only place I can think of for evidence would be tools to dig with, fingerprints up underneath the porch, whatever was used to burn the body - a torch, some source of heat.

If AB wasn't home when JC got home from work like some reports have stated, he'd gone to dispose of evidence to connect him to Carnel's death. I assumed he walked back to the house, or did he drive up pretending he'd gone to look for Carnel?

Dirty clothes from being under porch? I'm sure he disposed of them, he took a shower to get off all the blood, dirt and cobwebs etc... everything connected is somewhere, or in plain sight, with it only cleaned up to the naked eye.

LE will find it.
No legal professional here, just rambling thoughts...
:twocents:

 

[Jacie Estes]

BBM.. really? honestly and truly.. you KNOW this statement is fact????

Because I just happened to have lived in a very abusive marriage for over 15 years, was married to him at 16.. and thank god he left me because I never had a clue how or why I should leave him because he was my whole life and that was just what life was like. Once he left.. I got help... changed my friends.. changed my life and NEVER went back to it. I UNDERSTAND the dynamics of abuse just as much as many others on here and frankly.. much more than others who speak about it because they have witnessed it secondhand but have no real basis in what it is like to live it very long term.

For someone to say that no one can understand unless they have been there.. is just WRONG.. Completely inaccurate, misleading and disrespectful. I have very valid and strong opinions on it BECAUSE I HAAAAAAAAAAAVE BEEN THERE and so have many many others on this thread, which is what folks keep saying over and over. THERE ARE MANY MANY MANY POSTERS ON HERE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND AND HAVE BEEN THERE. And with very much respect for the fact that all can agree to disagree on this topic. I find the above bolded statement disrespectful biased and thoughtless and seems to have been said just to help prove an unpopular point. There are MANY of us who HAVE been there that do NOT understand nor condone Jamie's choices, it is NOT a one size fits all.. as much as folks want it to be. Its not about.. "everyone is out to get her because they don't have a clue what her life on the rez is about". THAT is called a "free pass: and it does NO good at all for Jamie to receive one.. it does NOT help her and I reeeeeeally reeeeeeeeeally reeeeeeeeeeeeally want this girl to be helped. She seems like she is a basically good person.. but it is doing her NO GOOD to be allowed to live these choices without consequence. I want to HELP the girl.. not pat her on the back and hug her and say .. h poor you.. you grew up on the rez and all the problems there.. poor poor thing" HELL NO.. I want to enable her and help her grow a pair of the biggest cajones out there .. to the point she won't look twice at the next abusive idiot prancing into her life. I want her to be the strong and caring and loving person she CAN be and to become that person.. she needs to stand up for her part in this and take her lumps for it. SHE NEEDS TO.. as a person.. to enable herself to heal from this. My god.. the path she is on now if there are no consequences is insane. Can you imagine carrying all the guilt around from someone HORRIFICALLY KILLING a child in your care because you were too wrapped up in some guy and you SEEN it happening??? If she wasn't abusing drugs before.. she sure as hell is thinking about going back to them right now. There is NOTHING happening in her life right now.. that will change her "core" UNLESS she has to take accountability for what her part was in this.

It is NOT about people trying to persecute poor little Jamie.. it is about people who HAVE been there and UNDERSTAND how hard that life is and what it does to your head and decision making, KNOWING that at a certain time in your adult life.. you NEED to take responsibility for your own choices in life PARTICULARLY when there are children involved. I, for one.. would like to go on record as saying.. I completely disagree with your statement because I DO UNDERSTAND and I DO NOT AGREE WITH Jamie's choices.

Now I am going to take myself to a corner, take my time out and settle down. I mean no disrespect to you, Jacie. I get the strong feeling that you are a very nice person.. but I completely 100% was highly offended by that statement. To imply that other posters opinions aren't valid because they never have been slapped around or did drugs or lived on the rez is bull puckey and insulting. To imply that all folks who HAVE lived it are the only ones who can understand Jamie's choices.. is just as offensive. I understand you are frustrated because you seem to see this as a witch hunt against her but that doesn't give anyone a right to disrespect others opinions who feel differently than yours.

Jamie NEEDS to get in legal trouble for this.. she NEEDS TO take her lumps and get so completely down that she breaks... she has to WANT help.. neeeeeeed it.. craaaaaaaaaave it. She HAS to realize deep within her soul and her entire being.. that SHE played a HUGE role in this by allowing that idiot in her child's life and doing nothing when she seen it happening... Because only then.. will she change this cycle.

And most of all.. she NEEDS to be allowed to be GUILTY for her part in it and take the punishment, whatever it is, from others.. from LE.. .. its the only way she will be able to truly forgive herself. THAT would be my gift to Jamie.. if I could giver her one. And I say that with complete love and concern and compassion for her as as a fellow human being who is going through an unimaginable situation.

THIS I HAVE LEARNED and I UNDERSTAND.. from BEING THERE.


Pat

I am offended by the fact that my opinion isn't valid UNLESS it is the same as everyone else's. You have yours and I have mine. Bottom line. I am not part of a rez vine vendetta nor will I castigate Jaimee.

I have been there, as well. I look at Jaimee's situation from all sides. Having been abused and then working in the field, it gives one a different perspective.

AND, for the last time....not reporting abuse is a tribal matter NOT a Federal matter. All those who are looking for blood need to understand that. Yes she was a negligent mother by not reporting the abuse.

Anything else? btw, I didn't read half the post because ad nauseum is just that.

 

[Jacie Estes]

From the same link:

She said hate and negative comments directed toward Jaimee Chamberlain are unnecessary. This is Jaimee's sister speaking. I agree with her; those who do not understand the dynamics of abuse will not understand.

Family members said Jaimee is being sheltered because she fears violence in retaliation for her speaking to investigators about the case. I have no doubt that anyone in AB's family would or could go after her.


http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/07/jaimee_chamberlain_is_not_runn.html

I reiterate:

Jaimee's sister states: She said hate and negative comments directed toward Jaimee Chamberlain are unnecessary.

Jaimee's sister gets it, she understands it. She is a part of Jaimee's family and she is standing by her. That is the point of this post.

Jaimee's sister understands the dynamics of DV that Jaimee has gone through and she thoroughly understands what led Jaimee to where she is today.

Now, moving on.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Thank-you wildchild1961 - I was wondering how to post my feelings that I in fact see both sides of the issue - you did it for me.

I do in fact 'get it' for some of the same reason you post, albeit not as severe, and I do not agree Jamie deserves a pass for not reporting or taking action on the abuse of her son. I dislike being advised I am not educated enough on the issue, when in fact I am.

How long have the domestic abuse campaigns been around and where does society go following years of these campaigns? Seems to me no steps forward are being considered here. That's the part I don't get.

How long have the domestic abuse campaigns been around and where does society go following years of these campaigns? Seems to me no steps forward are being considered here.

As long as people stay in abusive situations and do not reach out for help, there will be abuse. When women are abused they are in a precarious place, damned if they do and damned if they don't.

It is one thing to, in a public forum, call for the head of someone and drag out a Red A. It is completely another to do intake for someone who has been abused. This is the point that is not understood. When a victim comes into a shelter, they are not judged, ridiculed or belittled. They are helped. Understanding, from a professional point, the dynamic of the victim, not just the who, what, where, when and why, is paramount to helping them.

Jaimee has been in an abusive situation with Carnel's father, there are links on this thread about that. She was in foster care at 8 years old, another trauma. Then abuse manifested with AB; as a colleague of mine said today, 'It was a new relationship and Jaimee got blindsided'.

Public opinion and reality are very far apart. Steps forward are made everyday, sometimes it is as small as washing the blood off of a child's face and giving them a lollipop while trying to soothe them. That is a big step, IMHO.

 

[Knox]

Court hearing coming up Friday @10:00. I wonder if the ME was able to come up with anything conclusive as to COD?

I noticed no one has been interviewed on behalf of AB. He is a young man, seemed to have friends on his Facebook page. Maybe because the crime was so completely heinous, but even so, I have seen at least a few people come forward and comment in other cases.

 

[kimlynn]

Court hearing coming up Friday @10:00. I wonder if the ME was able to come up with anything conclusive as to COD?

I noticed no one has been interviewed on behalf of AB. He is a young man, seemed to have friends on his Facebook page. Maybe because the crime was so completely heinous, but even so, I have seen at least a few people come forward and comment in other cases.

I'm hoping we will have more information after the court hearing.

It is kind of odd that so little has been posted by friends of AB. Thank god no one is making excuses for him like some seem to be for Jaimee.

My concern is for the victim that really had no choice and that would be Carnel.After all this forum is for him...or should be.

IMO