GUILTY MI - Carnel Chamberlain, 4, Mount Pleasant, 21 June 2012 #2

[Cubby]

The mother had the greatest responsibility.She was in the home and actually witnessed the abuse.
We don't know that anyone else saw the bruises which would be easily covered with a shirt,or in regard to facial bruises explained away or the child hidden until healed.
Were the neighbors close enough to the child to see the bruises?
Anyone could have expressed a concern,but was there enough evidence at the time for them to go to the authorities with any concerns of abuse?
Sadly many children live with the conditions of drugs and abuse and little is done.

IMO

But the mother wasn't the person raising this child according to some information. Someone who had the care and custody of Carnel until a month prior to his murder made the decision to turn Carnel back over to his drug addicted mother and her felon addict live in lover rather than trying to get legal custody.

It doesn't appear that it would have been a difficult fight in family court. Why didn't it happen? Instead this child was taken from an apparently safe environment and turned over to the care and custody of his mother a month before his death, when it was no secret that the mother and her felon lover had some very serious addiction problems, in addition to AB's criminal problems.

That was no secret to anyone.

 

[JusticeforCarnel]

for great info check out this site....


https://www.facebook.com/carnelsjustice

 

[nursebeeme]

Mod note:

JusticeforCarnel has been verified as an insider in Carnel's case.


Thank you for sharing your insight! We appreciate it so much.

thank you beach!

:woot:

 

[JusticeforCarnel]

But the mother wasn't the person raising this child according to some information. Someone who had the care and custody of Carnel until a month prior to his murder made the decision to turn Carnel back over to his drug addicted mother and her felon addict live in lover rather than trying to get legal custody.

It doesn't appear that it would have been a difficult fight in family court. Why didn't it happen? Instead this child was taken from an apparently safe environment and turned over to the care and custody of his mother a month before his death, when it was no secret that the mother and her felon lover had some very serious addiction problems, in addition to AB's criminal problems.

That was no secret to anyone.

Grandma did NOT have custody. Jaimee and her were in a fight so Jaimee took him back to "get back at her".


Jaimees mom couldn't do anything because Jaimee had legal custody. THOUGH mom should have gone to court to report her daughters drug problem and unhealthy homelife, it is her daughter. I can understand why she didn't. She probably hoped the same system they had (Jaimee occasionally babysitting) would continue to work.

 

[beach]

Gleaning info about Carnel from various FB pages while trying to avoid becoming embroiled in the anger at JC (as it would be very easy for me to jump on that bandwagon right now, feeling as I do).

I do not guarantee the veracity of these bits of info but thought we need something to help us know who we grieve and lost from this world.

Carnel reportedly loved the character Woody from Toy Story movies.

Carnel reportedly loved to discuss the moon and would say "grandpa is up there"

Carnel reportedly loved the water and water activities

Carnel reportedly loved the animated series "Dragon Ball Z"

for video snippet of he and his cousin enjoying racing outside https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carnels-Hope-For-Tomorrow/459362990740569

and for my newest favorite image of Carnel and how I will forever see him in my head henceforth see attached.

Reading you put it all together like this reminds me so much of Caylee. Just a little boy version.


God bless these children. They deserved so much better.

 

[JusticeforCarnel]

And drug/drinking problems are not uncommon on the rez. To be quite frank, it is hard to find a family on our Rez that doesn't have those problems. I don't mean to be saying ALL of them are like that because that is not true, just saying very few are not. KC being one of them, that is why he is the family rep.

IMO they should take AB and JCs per cap from them and put it into a fund to help domestic violence and drug addiction in the tribe.

 

[tlcya]

Nothing I can do or say to or about grandma's decisions will cause her one millionth of the pain she will subject her own self to with a lifetime of shoulda coulda wouldas

She is in my prayers this grandmother. She will continue to be.

 

[beach]

Grandma did NOT have custody. Jaimee and her were in a fight so Jaimee took him back to "get back at her".


Jaimees mom couldn't do anything because Jaimee had legal custody. THOUGH mom should have gone to court to report her daughters drug problem and unhealthy homelife, it is her daughter. I can understand why she didn't. She probably hoped the same system they had (Jaimee occasionally babysitting) would continue to work.

This sounds all too familiar to me too. Good gracious.


You know - for the most part, we do the best we can with what we know at the time. Our intentions are good, but sometimes we just misjudge the gravity of a situation.

I'm just hoping that by now we are starting to pay close attention and get the lessons here. That poor Grandma....my heart breaks for her. :cry:

 

[katydid23]

It soothes my heart to see the happy pictures of him with his best friend and when he was still with his grandma, and still with his glorious long thick hair. It comforts me knowing that Grandpa was waiting for him, out by the stars and the moon. And knowing that he lived a happy, little boy life, for most of his childhood, makes it a little easier to take. He did know love, experienced being loved and cared for, unlike too many of the lost children these days. I have every confidence that he is with his beloved grandfather as we speak. :rose:

 

[JusticeforCarnel]

Nothing I can do or say to or about grandma's decisions will cause her one millionth of the pain she will subject her own self to with a lifetime of shoulda coulda wouldas

She is in my prayers this grandmother. She will continue to be.

100% agree.

 

[JusticeforCarnel]

This sounds all too familiar to me too. Good gracious.


You know - for the most part, we do the best we can with what we know at the time. Our intentions are good, but sometimes we just misjudge the gravity of a situation.

I'm just hoping that by now we are starting to pay close attention and get the lessons here. That poor Grandma....my heart breaks for her. :cry:

Very well said, couldn't have said it better.

 

[JusticeforCarnel]

Pictures with Grandma

 

[tlcya]

Love those chubby little cheeks in the photo with grandmother.

 

[kimlynn]

But the mother wasn't the person raising this child according to some information. Someone who had the care and custody of Carnel until a month prior to his murder made the decision to turn Carnel back over to his drug addicted mother and her felon addict live in lover rather than trying to get legal custody.

It doesn't appear that it would have been a difficult fight in family court. Why didn't it happen? Instead this child was taken from an apparently safe environment and turned over to the care and custody of his mother a month before his death, when it was no secret that the mother and her felon lover had some very serious addiction problems, in addition to AB's criminal problems.

That was no secret to anyone.

By custody you don't mean legal custody by the grandmother but custody as in he was in her care for the most part?
I'm not sure grandma had much choice in giving Carnel back to his mother if she wasn't his legal guardian.
She could have tried for custody (and we don't know if she had planned to do so in the future) but these things take time if contested.
The mother will usually win out over the grandparent.It would take a lot to prove an unfit envioronment by the parent.
From what I can understand this all happened rather quickly as far as the abuse of Carnel....at least that is what we are hearing.
I'm sure grandma had her concerns,but did she have enough information to know that Carnel was being hurt,or would be harmed to the point of being killed?

IMO

 

[Jacie Estes]

Child Abuse and Neglect and American Indians

http://childwelfare.ncaiprc.org/documentlibrary/2010/03/CA&N briefing paper.pdf

 

[Jacie Estes]

Reporting Child Abuse In Indian Country

Mandated Reporters
Federal Law requires that the following personnel report abuse –
• Health Care Personnel including physicians, surgeons, dentists, podiatrists, chiropractors, nurses, dental hygienists, optometrists, medical examiners, emergency medical technicians, paramedics,
• Education Personnel including teachers, school counselors, instructional aides, teacher’s aides, teachers’ assistance, bus drivers, administrative officers, supervisors of child welfare and attendance, truancy officers
• Child Care Personnel including child day care workers, Headstart teachers, public assistance workers, group home workers, residential home workers, day care facility workers, social workers
• Mental Health Personnel including psychiatrists, psychologist, psychological assistants, marriage, family and child counselors
• Law Enforcement Personnel including law enforcement officers, probation officers, juvenile rehabilitation or detention facility workers, employees of public agencies responsible for enforcing statues and judicial orders
Indian Child Protection and Family Violence Prevention Act, P.L. 101-630; 18 U.S.C. § 1169 (a)

http://www.icctc.org/IHS-BIA CPT Handbook/REPORTING CHILD ABUSE IN INDIAN COUNTRY.pdf

 

[scapa]

We have a cherished pic in which my nearly four year-old and his best friend are in virtually identical poses. Four is such a remarkable age: no longer babies or even toddlers but not quite kids, able to do all sorts of things with great verve and determination but still falling hard asleep like infants; deeply affectionate and trusting and uninhibited and inventive and funny and nonstop, and a long way from being really truly capable of malice (IMO). It is impossible for me to think of a boy like this as the focus for someone's deliberate destructive violence, or even solid indifference. I know it's happened, but I still can't think it.

If only Carnel had stayed with his Grandmother.

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[southernnana]

:congrats:


Hi JFC ... so happy to see that you are now verified!! I really appreciate your

sincere and informative contributions.


The link for Carnel's Justice is great, it should be of value and informative.

for great info check out this site....

https://www.facebook.com/carnelsjustice

:heartbeat:

 

[Jacie Estes]

By custody you don't mean legal custody by the grandmother but custody as in he was in her care for the most part?
I'm not sure grandma had much choice in giving Carnel back to his mother if she wasn't his legal guardian.
She could have tried for custody (and we don't know if she had planned to do so in the future) but these things take time if contested.
The mother will usually win out over the grandparent.It would take a lot to prove an unfit envioronment by the parent.
From what I can understand this all happened rather quickly as far as the abuse of Carnel....at least that is what we are hearing.
I'm sure grandma had her concerns,but did she have enough information to know that Carnel was being hurt,or would be harmed to the point of being killed?

IMO

http://www.sagchip.org/socialservices/index.asp

Notice: Mandatory Child Abuse Reporting Checklist

 

[Jacie Estes]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Carnels-Hope-For-Tomorrow/459362990740569