GUILTY MI - Carnel Chamberlain, 4, Mount Pleasant, 21 June 2012 #2

[tlcya]

http://www.sourcenewspapers.com/articles/2012/07/06/news/doc4ff595e83bc4d878727871.txt

A federal magistrate judge denied bond to Anthony Bennett Tuesday, saying the man accused of assaulting 4-year-old Carnel Chamberlain was too dangerous to be set free.

“The defendant has never complied with court-ordered conditions set on him,” said Magistrate Judge Charles Binder in ordering Bennett back to jail.

All I can say is Blessed Be, at least this monster doesn't walk the streets while the investigation into the murder of this child continues.

 

[tlcya]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Carnels-Hope-For-Tomorrow/459362990740569

Found a lot of family and strangers pulling together on that page Jacie, plus lots of photos and info about Carnel and who he was.

 

[kimlynn]

http://www.sagchip.org/socialservices/index.asp

Notice: Mandatory Child Abuse Reporting Checklist

By concerns,I meant that the grandma probably knew of the drug situation (common in many homes) but was she aware of the other abuses by AB?

I'm not so much looking at other family members and neighbors( as they could have been in the dark),as much as his caretaker at the time of the actual abuse.
I can't make an excuse for the mother in this situation.She was there and let it continue to the point we are at now.

IMO

 

[Jacie Estes]

Saginaw Chippewa law requires a finding upon probable cause that the child is in need of care and...there is reasonable cause to believe that the minor is in immediate danger from his parents, guardian or custodian or the surroundings maintained hereby and that his removal from them is necessary

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...DDh6qY&sig=AHIEtbSb7n4oOzKFXS_2oftdZPIqcxO2Jw

 

[Knox]

Whenever we have had to do kid's heads, we just do our own too. Better than itching because you're thinking about it.

AB could have been making him 'gangsta'. :sigh:

That was my thought too Jacie. Part of "making him a man"

All the pictures of AB dating back three years, he has a shaved head. Yep, he's a real tough guy, uh hum.

 

[OtherEyes]

I have followed dear Carnel's case from the beginning. Can I just say that I prefer to look at his earlier picture - the one where he still has hair. He is just a gorgeous little man with a light in his eyes! This is Carnel to me. The one with his hair shaved is the one that this monster and unfortunately his momma will remember. They changed and hurt this darling little boy.

Second, I want to say that I appreciate JusticeforCarnel's posts. I appreciate that you are always willing to put that this is "rumor" in your posts; and I just appreciate having someone close to the situation posting. I can tell from your posts that you have been affected deeply by Carnel's abuse and murder.

Third, I cannot wait for this MONSTER to be charged already!! I know that he is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. But as a citizen that will never be on the jury, I can honestly say that I believe he is guilty and I want to see him charged!!

Jacie, I also appreciate your knowledge, your tender heart, and your posts here at WS!

Thank you WS for being a sounding board for those of us who support the victims in these horrific cases!!

100% agree! Thanks was not enough... I too have been following but have just been speechless!

I am comforted to know Carnel was greeted by his grandfather who was able to wrap him in his arms and comfort this dear child. My prayers go out to Carnel's family who is suffering deeply. My heart is broken for you. May peace be with you all.:rose::rose::rose:

 

[Knox]

Did AB hate kids in general or was it just Carnel he was mean to?

His vitriol doesn't seem to be reserved for children, IMO.

Typical bullying behavior and mentality (add other disorders here). I bet he wouldn't go after another man of similar build. Only women, children and helpless animals.

 

[Jacie Estes]

By concerns,I meant that the grandma probably knew of the drug situation (common in many homes) but was she aware of the other abuses by AB?

I'm not so much looking at other family members and neighbors( as they could have been in the dark),as much as his caretaker at the time of the actual abuse.
I can't make an excuse for the mother in this situation.She was there and let it continue to the point we are at now.

IMO

or the surroundings maintained hereby and that his removal from them is necessary
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...oftdZPIqcxO2Jw

 

[tlcya]

His vitriol doesn't seem to be reserved for children, IMO.

Typical bullying behavior and mentality (add other disorders here). I bet he wouldn't go after another man of similar build. Only women, children and helpless animals.

Agreed Knox. AB seems to be the typical animal torturing, woman beating, child killer we have seen all too often in here. I will bet money that the only thing his victims (animal and human) have in common will end up being their weakness and their convenient proximate to him during one of his temper tantrums. He has a bit of a bent toward pyromania it would seem.

All those reports of animals killed and burned. :shakehead:

Once again we have a child who is loved and cared for by family being removed by a parent for selfish reasons. So disheartening.

 

[Cubby]

Grandma did NOT have custody. Jaimee and her were in a fight so Jaimee took him back to "get back at her".


Jaimees mom couldn't do anything because Jaimee had legal custody. THOUGH mom should have gone to court to report her daughters drug problem and unhealthy homelife, it is her daughter. I can understand why she didn't. She probably hoped the same system they had (Jaimee occasionally babysitting) would continue to work.

Jaimee's mother could have reported her daughter and AB's drug situation to DCFS. There was history of drug addiction and abuse. The rest of the family WAS NOT HELPLESS.

Hope doesn't overcome drug and alcohol addiction. Involvement and reporting child endangerment and neglect does. Carnel was born into an environment in which his mother was already deemed unfitby the court. A previous founded report for child neglect and endangerment would have hastened getting Carnel out of a dangerous environment, if only someone would have reported.

Sadly, Carnel is a victim not only of abuse but of neglect due to addiction.

Let's be honest here. Carnel's family was aware of his mothers history with drug and alcohol abuse as well as her live in lover's criminal history and drug and alcohol abuse. No one reported it. A child was abused and died.

 

[kimlynn]

or the surroundings maintained hereby and that his removal from them is necessary
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...oftdZPIqcxO2Jw

The link won't open for me but thanks for posting it. I'm just not sure what the grandmother could have done in this situation.Sure she could have reported JC and AB for having Carnel in a home where there was drug usage,but it is just so common nowadays she may well have gotten a silent pfft and a 'what else do you have for us'

IMO

 

[southernnana]

:wave:

There are lots of posts floating about regarding Jaimee's family warning her about AB. We know from MSM she was in a relationship with him for approximately 7 mo's.

According to MSM, AB's failed urine tests go back to January of 2012. So it's not like there was this sudden relapse which went undetected and progressed so quickly there was no time to react. The drug usage was documented in the courts 6 months prior to Carnel's murder.

Just a couple of quick notes. I am going to post more later. Below is the State of Michigan Offender List (prison record) for AB. His prison release date shows to be 5/24/11. However, in our WS posts it has been reported that he was also in jail for two weeks in May 2012 - probation violation.

It is my belief that mom met AB through her brother, Richard Chamberlain, who is also in prison. :cow: I will attempt to verify if they were in the same prison.


http://mdocweb.state.mi.us/otis2/otis2profile.aspx?mdocNumber=784837


JusticeforCarnel ... are you able to verify for us how mom met JB?? Thanks!

 

[Cubby]

I am not saying I agree wih TC entirely. I respect the way Kevin Chamberlain is going about it much more, but KC has a reputation to with hold. TC does not, so he is speaking what he feels is the truth without caring about the consequences of what people may think of him. Who has given us more information about Jaimees life and the case? TC. His way may not be the right way, or the most publicly acceptable way, but he is doing what he thinks is right for his baby nephew, who he was very very close to.

But i do understand how it could bother you.

TC can't talk out of both sides of his mouth, imo. If he knows so much about Jaimee's life, then why didn't he report his sisters drug use and the dangerous environment his sister and her bf's drug use caused his nephew?

Neither he, nor his mother, Carnel's maternal grandmother needed legal custody to make that call and report that dangerous environment that baby was in when those caring for him were back into their addictive habits. Mom posted pictures of marijuana on her FB page for crying out loud. There was SO MUCH documented proof, SO much ALREADY deemed founded when social services tried to protect Carnel the first time.

Addicts do not make good choices. Jaimee and Anthony's substance abuse problems were not a secret. They were not unknown. They were in no way hidden. The seriousness of those addictions were ignored and it sadly cost Carnel his life.

I'm just praying now people no longer turn a blind eye to just how dangerous substance abuse and addiction can be. It cost this precious child his life.

 

[Jacie Estes]

The link won't open for me but thanks for posting it. I'm just not sure what the grandmother could have done in this situation.Sure she could have reported JC and AB for having Carnel in a home where there was drug usage,but it is just so common nowadays she may well have gotten a silent pfft and a 'what else do you have for us'

IMO

I'm not talking about could shoulda woulda, I'm talking about the law.

 

[Cubby]

By custody you don't mean legal custody by the grandmother but custody as in he was in her care for the most part?
I'm not sure grandma had much choice in giving Carnel back to his mother if she wasn't his legal guardian.
She could have tried for custody (and we don't know if she had planned to do so in the future) but these things take time if contested.
The mother will usually win out over the grandparent.It would take a lot to prove an unfit envioronment by the parent.
From what I can understand this all happened rather quickly as far as the abuse of Carnel....at least that is what we are hearing.
I'm sure grandma had her concerns,but did she have enough information to know that Carnel was being hurt,or would be harmed to the point of being killed?

IMO

If you've followed MSM yes, grandma would have had enough confirmed information to have Jaimee deemed unfit. Jaimee was not new to child protective services. She was 16 and had severe substance abuse issues when she gave birth to Carnel.

Carnel, according to MSM, spent some time in foster care. My honest concern, was did no one report mom and AB's substance abuse issues, because they had their own and were concerned if Carnel was removed from his mother's custody, no one in the family would be able to pass the requirments to provide a safe environment for him?

I'm really trying to get to the underlying cause here why mom and AB's substance abuse/addiction issues were ignored. Per MSM AB failed 2 or 3 mandatory court ordered urine analysis in 2012. That info would be available to whichever agency was ensuring Carnel's welfare.

KC could have stepped in if his assistance was sought?

This is a wake up call. Addictions are in fact deadly.
The choices really are recovery or death.

 

[kimlynn]

Drugs do cause apathy in long time users,but no amount of drugs could cause a mother to ignore the obvious abuse in front of her eyes.
Certain situations aren't even acceptable to those seeing through a haze of drugs
Some went from the mother being a victim and no one is allowed to say otherwise,but we should instead blame every other family member even though the mother rarely had contact with her son.
Who was in the best position to see and hear what was going on in the home?

I'll answer....the mother of the child.

IMO

 

[kimlynn]

I'm not talking about could shoulda woulda, I'm talking about the law.

Do you think there would have been enough evidence (at the time) to remove Carnel from the home of JC and AB?
Keeping in mind that the abuse was within a time period of one to two weeks.


IMO

 

[kimlynn]

If you've followed MSM yes, grandma would have had enough confirmed information to have Jaimee deemed unfit. Jaimee was not new to child protective services. She was 16 and had severe substance abuse issues when she gave birth to Carnel.

Carnel, according to MSM, spent some time in foster care. My honest concern, was did no one report mom and AB's substance abuse issues, because they had their own and were concerned if Carnel was removed from his mother's custody, no one in the family would be able to pass the requirments to provide a safe environment for him?

I'm really trying to get to the underlying cause here why mom and AB's substance abuse/addiction issues were ignored. Per MSM AB failed 2 or 3 mandatory court ordered urine analysis in 2012. That info would be available to whichever agency was ensuring Carnel's welfare.

KC could have stepped in if his assistance was sought?

This is a wake up call. Addictions are in fact deadly.
The choices really are recovery or death.

I did read that report regarding JC and child protective services.I think it was a month after the birth of Carnel.
The problem with using that is it isn't current information,although it could have been used to show a pattern as it wouldn't conflict with what family was saying to date.
Testing for drugs and child parenting classes might have been mandated for JC if a complaint had been filed.
It could well be possible that family of JC also have issues with drugs.
I think this is more of an issue of the family not being concerned as JC rarely had contact with Carnel.I'm also not sure if they were aware of the abuse(until later) toward Carnel by AB.

IMO

 

[Ronso]

I'll agree that MANY failed this child. And we see that time and time again.

 

[Jacie Estes]

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That was my thought too Jacie. Part of "making him a man"

All the pictures of AB dating back three years, he has a shaved head. Yep, he's a real tough guy, uh hum.

In looking at the pics of AB, it seems the ink on his face is fairly new but what I am noticing is that he is bigger in upper body, neck and face. I still think there is/was some steroid use by him. If he's doing Spice and K2 or meth then he wouldn't be gaining weight. We see when he goes into court in a month or so how he looks.

I've seen too many wanna be gangstas from the rez; I've also seen their women/girls/children come into the shelter with bruises and other injuries. Hell, I was one of those women walking in with a blood filled 'egg' on my right cheek and barely able to stand on my own because of one of them. It only took one incident for me and I was lucky I survived it. With AB, I think part of his MO was to inflict emotional pain on those too big for him to hit.