GUILTY MI - Carnel Chamberlain, 4, Mount Pleasant, 21 June 2012 #2

[Jacie Estes]

Unreal!

At the age of 14, Bennett had conductive disorder, mood disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, and attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder and was diagnosed as bipolar, according to court records.

At the same time, he was deemed to be at a first or second grade level.


http://www.themorningsun.com/articl...77/bennett-has-troubled-past&pager=full_story

I'm quoting my own post here, instead of recopying info.

AB was literate on a 1st or 2nd grade level at 14! I hope that they do not give him diminished capacity defense. What I would like to know is if any of HIS family members/friends were at the house that night/day while Jaimee was at work. He isn't exactly a rocket scientest. He may know how to light a pipe or blaze up BUT to plan and enact this by himself. We know that Jaimee was at work when the workers smelled the burning odor. Did AB have help with this from friends/family? I have not seen word one from his family about this. IMHO

 

[Jacie Estes]

What is a BIA?

Bureau of Indian Affairs

 

[HeinekenMan]

BCUBBM. (bolded colored unbold by me) .


I am a recovering voice for Carnel.

What is a recovering voice? I'm confused.

 

[HeinekenMan]

Am I understanding correctly? Mom is now missing, too?

 

[Cubby]

In the video, Kevin Chamberlain, family spokesperson, says the family supports Jaimee That is all I need to know.

I hope it isn't that the pressure got to her and that we have another casualty here.

We're on the same page. That was my immediate thought too.

Praying she is safe and knows she has her family's support.

 

[Jacie Estes]

We're on the same page. That was my immediate thought too.

Praying she is safe and knows she has her family's support.

I will be worrying about her tonight and offering smoke/prayers before I sleep. There has been too much directed at her; she didn't report the abuse but I don't believe, in her heart of hearts, she ever thought her son would be murdered.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Am I understanding correctly? Mom is now missing, too?

That was reported earlier this evening. I'll look for the link.


http://www.wnem.com/video?clipId=7476581&autostart=true

 

[HeinekenMan]

Well, I'm not surprised. It seemed like that guy who keeps chattering away, the one some people called the rock of the family, really pointed a finger at her a few days ago. I can understand his frustration, and he might be onto something. But I think he may need to stop doing interviews. At this point, it's doing more harm than good.

 

[katydid23]

BCUBBM. (bolded colored unbold by me) .

I've been in recovery groups with addicts where CPS DID step in and take the child/ren away because mom and moms live in boyfriend were using, yes, "just weed".

CPS required urine drops. These were not criminal cases or probation or parole. They were CPS reported drug use, when family wasn't too afraid to report.

In fact, I told one guy straight to his face. Go ahead use your weed. No one can force you not too, but you need to make a choice between your girlfriend and her children, or your weed. He never showed up again. Guess he chose the weed.

I am a recovering voice for Carnel. Calling someone out on their excuses is part of recovery. It is not slamming. It is not a violation of TOS. It is calling out and speaking about what went wrong in THIS case so it does not happen to another child.

I have not seen a child taken permanently from a mother's care because of her smoking weed. I am sure it happens, because you have seen it, but I have only seen them force the parents into parenting classes, or drug education courses etc. But I have never seen a loss of custody if it is just accusations about pot.

Also, the accusations that I read about this case was that 'legal' weed is what they were supposedly smoking. So that might have been even harder for CPS to fight against.

I am not saying there is nothing wrong with the parents getting high, especially in this case. It obviously was not a positive influence in their lives. I think pot tends to emphasize a person's basic personality. If you are laid back, you become more laid back. If you are sadistic, you become more sadistic. It is not a good thing to do when taking care of young children, for sure.

But I really think that Grandma was in a no win situation. She really wanted to get Carnel back in her home, and in the past she would be patient and he would always be returned. I am sure she was worried that if she ever reported her daughter that she might lose her grandson forever.

 

[katydid23]

Well, I'm not surprised. It seemed like that guy who keeps chattering away, the one some people called the rock of the family, really pointed a finger at her a few days ago. I can understand his frustration, and he might be onto something. But I think he may need to stop doing interviews. At this point, it's doing more harm than good.

How is it doing more harm than good? I don't follow. Or do you think that is why she is in hiding now?

 

[Cubby]

I think she has edited, there is a lot more. Really, really bad past and this guy is only 20. They need to put him away in a cage forever, he is not fit to be with humans or animals.

Question for anyone, is there a pic/pics with this article? I never have the whole page at this site, must be my settings.

No picture that I am seeing other than the same usual undated photo of his face with the feather. I think it either a DL/state id or mug shot photo. It's not one that is new......

This rap sheet and uh, out goes the "it's just weed" mentality. Sorry folks, gotta be a voice for my little Carnel. All DCFS had to do was catch wind from someone ANYONE this child was in the presense of this guy and he would have been removed from the custody of mom and AB.

ANYONE who reported, well this rap sheet would have been additional proof the concern was founded.

I've tought my son to call for help if he is ever in fear for his safety, with ANY adult, including myself. As a recovering alcoholic, I will always be subject to relapse and bad choices should I pick up that one drink, ever. Yes, I have taught my son to tell on ME should I ever go back out there and down that road.

Carnel wasn't old enough to help himself. He needed his mom, his grandma, his uncles, his aunties to be that voice for him when the adults in his life weren't making good choices for him. Not one adult stood up, not one. Carnel's short life, struggles and the addiction that surrounded him, will not be in vain if I can help it in any way.


What's that saying, all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Well, I'm not surprised. It seemed like that guy who keeps chattering away, the one some people called the rock of the family, really pointed a finger at her a few days ago. I can understand his frustration, and he might be onto something. But I think he may need to stop doing interviews. At this point, it's doing more harm than good.

Do you mean Kevin Chamberlain or her brother that uses someone else's Facebook page?

 

[ToosieJoie33]

She went into hiding so they can't arrest her. She was Carnel's mother...she should have kicked AB out and reported the abuse the very first time he touched her son.

 

[katydid23]

I will be worrying about her tonight and offering smoke/prayers before I sleep. There has been too much directed at her; she didn't report the abuse but I don't believe, in her heart of hearts, she ever thought her son would be murdered.

I don't believe, for one second, that she ever imagined her son was going to be murdered.

I think she did not report the abuse, not because she was afraid, but because she was putting her own desires, for love and her relationship, above her son's needs. But I never believed she thought he was in danger of being murdered. :rose:

 

[Jacie Estes]

How is it doing more harm than good? I don't follow. Or do you think that is why she is in hiding now?

My concern is that she may be suicidal. People can only be pushed so far and then they snap.

 

[Cubby]

According to what Jaimie told the FBI, the physical abuse of her son had been going on for about 2 weeks. She said there were a few incidents, and she described two of them. So I guess it was going on for about 2 to 3 weeks.


ETA:

CHAMBERLAIN: Yes. Yes, I recently just -- I recently noticed this about - - it was about a week ago when I noticed the bruises on his butt.

Respectfully. I believe all the public has learnt is what mom shared that was necessary to file charges against AB. I do not for a second buy that the abuse Carnel only began a week or two prior when the man who allegedly murdered him had been in a relationship with his mother for 7 mo's.

Anyone care to raise their hand if they believe AB was a fine upstanding young man who didn't abuse Carnel while in Carnel's presense until a week or two prior to his murder?

 

[Jacie Estes]

She went into hiding so they can't arrest her. She was Carnel's mother...she should have kicked AB out and reported the abuse the very first time he touched her son.

Arrested by Tribal Police?

Has this been confirmed? She's facing failure to report tribal level not murder on federal level.

 

[mahoolin]

I'm quoting my own post here, instead of recopying info.

AB was literate on a 1st or 2nd grade level at 14! I hope that they do not give him diminished capacity defense. What I would like to know is if any of HIS family members/friends were at the house that night/day while Jaimee was at work. He isn't exactly a rocket scientest. He may know how to light a pipe or blaze up BUT to plan and enact this by himself. We know that Jaimee was at work when the workers smelled the burning odor. Did AB have help with this from friends/family? I have not seen word one from his family about this. IMHO

BBM
Me too! All I can think of is that he's probably pretty street-wise, having grown up the way he did. He may not be able to read or write on grade level, but my guess is he's not too diminished in everyday life, and I'm sure he's acquired a lot of experience with all the "like-mindeds" he's met up with in the legal system.

I keep thinking of years ago when children left school at a very young age to help support their family (ex during the depression) and you would never know they had so few formal years of education when you met them as adults.

But, I agree, I think a lot was done in a few short hours. Wonder who his help might have been?

Such anger. I kind of understand now after reading about his upbringing, but I don't excuse him at all. To function in society in the very basic way you learn what's acceptable, and abuse and murder most certainly aren't. I think he's a sociopath, if not born, than created in his environment. (and I don't even play a psychiatric professional on tv, so take that as MHOO):twocents:

 

[HeinekenMan]

How is it doing more harm than good? I don't follow. Or do you think that is why she is in hiding now?

Well, she could run away or commit suicide and take a lot of valuable information with her. That could hurt the prosecution. It's too soon to know whether those scenarios could be possible right now. She should have been under 24-hour surveillance.

 

[katydid23]

Respectfully. I believe all the public has learnt is what mom shared that was necessary to file charges against AB. I do not for a second buy that the abuse Carnel only began a week or two prior when the man who allegedly murdered him had been in a relationship with his mother for 7 mo's.

Anyone care to raise their hand if they believe AB was a fine upstanding young man who didn't abuse Carnel while in Carnel's presense until a week or two prior to his murder?

Carnal was predominantly in his grandmothers care. This was the first time that he LIVED with AB full time. AB just moved in that home in March, and I think he was in jail right afterwards for awhile. And Carnal was living with Grandma.

So that few weeks was the very first time that Carnal had ever lived in that home full time with Ab and mom. IIRC.