GUILTY MI - Carnel Chamberlain, 4, Mount Pleasant, 21 June 2012 #2

[AmandaReckonwith]

This always brings me back to Toni Keller's murder. At first they thought it might be animal remains.

The guy who killed her and burned her did so in a public park in an out-of-the-way spot. Supposedly in a day/ a matter of hours. They were not able to recover much.

Her case archive:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Antinette%20Toni%20Keller%20%20-IL-/

 

[Cubby]

Especially if it was just a wood stove in the home. Those do not get all that blazing hot. In order to truly burn up a body you need a very hot fire, not just a wood stove.

Lots of bodies are burnt and left in cars, or parks. Bodies can be burnt badly enough to not make identification easily. In order to fully cremate a body, the fire needs to be much hotter than anything most perps in a hurry could do. This entire thing happened in 4.75 hours most, the hours mom was at work. That's a pretty short time frame considering...

They'll get DNA from Carnels bones or teeth if necessary, or both.

 

[Cubby]

This always brings me back to Toni Keller's murder. At first they thought it might be animal remains.

The guy who killed her and burned her did so in a public park in an out-of-the-way spot. Supposedly in a day/ a matter of hours. They were not able to recover much.

Her case archive:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Antinette Toni Keller -IL-/

It was much longer than hours. It was days, iirc. Sad case. I went to NIU way back.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

So... it takes a lot longer than a few hours to burn a body. Then there is burial time, cleanup time.

Did Anthony have that kind of time or was Carnel killed the day before maybe? Eyewitness saw him on a trampoline, but maybe just maybe they were mistaken and he was out there the day before that?

Wondering.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

It was much longer than hours. It was days, iirc. Sad case. I went to NIU way back.

To this day Toni's Mom is inconsolable. And it has been since Oct 2010!

 

[Cubby]

So... it takes a lot longer than a few hours to burn a body. Then there is burial time, cleanup time.

Did Anthony have that kind of time or was Carnel killed the day before maybe? Eyewitness saw him on a trampoline, but maybe just maybe they were mistaken and he was out there the day before that?

Wondering.

I think it all happened in the time mom left for work until the time mom got home from work.

I think AB killed him in the house and then tried to burn him. When he realized he couldn't burn a body and bones to ashes as quickly as he thought he could, he buried him under the house hastily and was probably planning on moving him at a later time.


I honestly think AB thought mom would just buy that her son was missing and buy his every word.

 

[wildchild1961]

I have nothing but compassion for the families of suicide victims. I am not missing the 'compassion' gene completely. I just lack the compassion gene for mothers who allow violent offenders to move into their homes and babysit their children. :angel:

I am a huge fan of compassion.. but I am also a huge fan of accountability. Just because there are reasons.. even cultural, genetic, medical, societal... does NOT offer a free pass for one's actions. NO ONE.. from childhood up... does well with free passes for their actions their entire life. It makes for even worse choices. I go back to my post a ways back in this thread. Compassion for all involved.. but accountability as well.

pat

 

[southernnana]

I have not been able to find the location where AB was serving his prison time when he was released on 5/24/11. Maybe some of the locals know where those with felonies might serve time nearby, if not a federal facility??

The brother of mom, RC, is in a federal prison located in Eastern Kentucky, sad to say only 23 yrs old ... link below. I still feel the prison link was how AB and mom met, but just MOO.

http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/LocateInmate.jsp

:wave:

Below is the State of Michigan Offender List (prison record) for AB. His prison release date shows to be 5/24/11. However, in our WS posts it has been reported that he was also in jail for two weeks in May 2012 - probation violation.
It is my belief that mom met AB through her brother, Richard Chamberlain, who is also in prison. :cow: I will attempt to verify if they were in the same prison.

http://mdocweb.state.mi.us/otis2/otis2profile.aspx?mdocNumber=784837

JusticeforCarnel ... are you able to verify for us how mom met JB?? Thanks!

 

[deoneta]

Something about JC saying Carnel was lying on the bed watching tv when she left for work makes me wonder if he was already badly beaten, unconscious or even already deceased. JMO and speculation.

 

[dillysmom11]

Something about JC saying Carnel was lying on the bed watching tv when she left for work makes me wonder if he was already badly beaten, unconscious or even already deceased. JMO and speculation.

Agreed.

"Just go to work, babe. Do you love me? Then trust me, I'll take care of everything."

MOO

 

[Amster]

Trying to find a link.....maybe said by a relative on FB.....about grandma going to Texas to take care of her dying mother and JC not being happy about her not taking Carnel with her. Grandma didn't think it would be a good idea to take him and JC was going to have to take care of him til grandma returned.

 

[southernnana]

:furious:


I don't believe she is suicidal at all, or even very upset over the death of that precious child ... I am on the fence right now as to whether or not she participated in his actual death.

Please ... if anyone has a link that LE has admitted Jaimee passed two lie detector tests, PLEASE share it. The only information I have been able to find is news media and Tribal Public Relations reporting that Jaimee is "fully cooperating."

I wonder if she has shown up yet?

I don't think she left because she was suicidal. She could have taken care of that without leaving the area. In fact, I think she would have done it right there, to be found, if she was wanting to end it all. JMO

Something about JC saying Carnel was lying on the bed watching tv when she left for work makes me wonder if he was already badly beaten, unconscious or even already deceased. JMO and speculation.

 

[Ronso]

From my understanding, LE has not released that she passed. That was Jaimee who said so.

 

[Angelonline]

I have not been able to find the location where AB was serving his prison time when he was released on 5/24/11. Maybe some of the locals know where those with felonies might serve time nearby, if not a federal facility??

The brother of mom, RC, is in a federal prison located in Eastern Kentucky, sad to say only 23 yrs old ... link below. I still feel the prison link was how AB and mom met, but just MOO.

http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/LocateInmate.jsp





JusticeforCarnel ... are you able to verify for us how mom met JB?? Thanks!

RC has an extensive history of Domestic Violence and DV is one of the federal charges he is serving time for now. This furthers my belief that JC saw a lot of bad stuff in her life. Not excusing her for her role in this, but IMO on some level familial violence was normal to her.

 

[southernnana]

:heartbeat: Little Carnel's body was found the afternoon of Thursday, June 28. Who would even be thinking that they needed to let everyone know "they are available now."


https://www.facebook.com/jaimee.l.chamberlain


"Activity
Recent"

"Jaim Leona Louise Chamberlain went from being "in a relationship" to "single."
"June 29 at 9:49am"

 

[mmmagique]

:heartbeat: Little Carnel's body was found the afternoon of Thursday, June 28. Who would even be thinking that they needed to let everyone know "they are available now."


https://www.facebook.com/jaimee.l.chamberlain


"Activity
Recent"

"Jaim Leona Louise Chamberlain went from being "in a relationship" to "single."
"June 29 at 9:49am"

Well honestly, her bf was suspected of killing her little boy. The whole world was watching her fb. I don't blame her for changing it, even on that day. Someone (maybe Kevin?) probably told her to do so.

 

[Angelonline]

I think I would have changed my status to single also. Anything to not be associated with with the <modsnipped by me> who had murdered my child.

 

[mmmagique]

Oh my goodness. I am reading elsewhere of the horrific childhood A.B. had. That does not excuse A.B., the man, of what he has done. But if someone had stepped up for A.B., the child, perhaps we would not be reading about this particular case.

It's why all of these cases involving children are so important. This whole thing is so very sad.

 

[Mimiof8]

Oh my goodness. I am reading elsewhere of the horrific childhood A.B. had. That does not excuse A.B., the man, of what he has done. But if someone had stepped up for A.B., the child, perhaps we would not be reading about this particular case.

It's why all of these cases involving children are so important. This whole thing is so very sad.

Can you give us a link or tell us where you are reading?

 

[mmmagique]

The only thing I think I can safely say is that it was on a statement analysis blog. (tos prevents me from saying more)