GUILTY MI - Chelsea Bruck, 22, Frenchtown Twp, 26 Oct 2014 #1

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I think if I had seen these videos when my kids were still at home, they would still be locked in their bedrooms with no escape. And to think I once thought K.I.S.S. was insanely crazy.

The audience concert goers had all my focus watching the videos. I was kind of galled by the idea that the videos were promotional while Chelsea Bruck is still missing. It would be nice to know Big Mike made the raw footage available from the two cameras with side angles he seemed to have covering the band, and the ones that were floating in the audience, covering the band and the concert goers. There were so many people recording and taking pictures with their different kinds of devices. I hope they share all they have. You never know what can help.

The musicians seem very devoted to their art, the two guitar players and the drummer, though the sound is off at the slow speeds. Their concentration and the audience reaction is evidence of skill and practice. Interesting to see where peoples eyes and at times hands would go. The usual groupie or devotee and band interplay. Some of the young men slam dancing seemed pretty hyped up, but most people did not seem too spaced out. Big Mike seems like he enjoys the performance and takes it very seriously. Sure, unkind thoughts would creep up as there was so much footage of the hefty ninja turtles, and I wanted to spot the POI or Chelsea, something, anything that would help, but those subsided as the context grew on me. I did wonder if Big Mike may have worn ninja turtle underwear and pajamas as a child, thus the amazingly elaborate homemade costumes. They did put time and effort making the costumes and editing the videos, just so. I hope they have put just as much effort getting their helpers, security guards, their impressions and raw video footage to LE.
 
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do you really wonder if he wore those as a child? Sorry I just had to ask.
 
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I know no one can truly answer these questions *but it never hurts to ask...

I remember hearing at one of the press conferences Chelsea tried to call her own cell phone (I thought I heard around 2:15am). I am guessing she used a friends phone to make this call and that is how this info was verified. I am wondering if she was calling to check her voicemail (was she maybe expecting a call from someone) or does it seem she may have been trying to see if the friend w/ her phone would answer? *At LE's press conference, they mentioned she borrowed *several *phones throughout the night...she even dialed the wrong # at some point(which ended up being a teacher w/ no relation). Was it ever determined who she may have been trying to call (maybe this info was obtained...if there was a contact in Chelsea's cell w/ a similar phone #)? Also, the acquaintance from high school who Chelsea spoke to for 10-15 minutes around 3:00...noted that their conversation was normal (i guess what i mean by normal is that Chelsea *did not appear upset, confused or highly intoxicated (correct)? Additionally, this girl offered Chelsea a ride home but Chelsea declined (However, Chelsea did use the girls phone to call a friend for a ride home but no one answered). *It just seems at such a late hour...after Chelsea had already tried to call for a ride...she would have accepted the girls offer. How was she planning on getting home? Almost minutes later, Chelsea was seen speaking to our POI and heading to the parking area w/ POI. It makes me feel that this person had to be someone that had gained her trust at some point. Maybe, he had offered her a ride home earlier in the evening so she knew she could count on him or could POI have arrived at Post/Williams Rd for the sole intention of giving Chelsea a ride home (maybe POI wasn't at the party and a reason no one recognizes him)?*

You raise a variety of important points. Most important, it will be vital for LE to get straight answers from her close circle of friends who joined her at the party. I suspect there are a few things they would rather not tell LE, but it is *critical* that they do so. Any little detail that doesn't seem significant could be the very detail that leads LE to Chelsea. I would encourage them to share absolutely every detail of that evening, even if they think it's something that doesn't matter. It all matters.

BTW, why doesn't Chelsea, a 22 year old, drive? I don't ask this to get in to her personal business, but I'm asking in relation to her disappearance. Does she have a known condition that prevents her from driving that could have effected her health or stability the night of the party? This would be good to know and should be factored in to the search, if relevant.
 
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You raise a variety of important points. Most important, it will be vital for LE to get straight answers from her close circle of friends who joined her at the party. I suspect there are a few things they would rather not tell LE, but it is *critical* that they do so. Any little detail that doesn't seem significant could be the very detail that leads LE to Chelsea. I would encourage them to share absolutely every detail of that evening, even if they think it's something that doesn't matter. It all matters.

BTW, why doesn't Chelsea, a 22 year old, drive? I don't ask this to get in to her personal business, but I'm asking in relation to her disappearance. Does she have a known condition that prevents her from driving that could have effected her health or stability the night of the party? This would be good to know and should be factored in to the search, if relevant.
I think it was stated in an earlier post (perhaps by Killen) that CB was not a stellar driver, and didn't get her license.
 
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The audience concert goers had all my focus watching the videos. I was kind of galled by the idea that the videos were promotional while Chelsea Bruck is still missing. It would be nice to know Big Mike made the raw footage available from the two cameras with side angles he seemed to have covering the band, and the ones that were floating in the audience, covering the band and the concert goers. There were so many people recording and taking pictures with their different kinds of devices. I hope they share all they have. You never know what can help.

The musicians seem very devoted to their art, the two guitar players and the drummer, though the sound is off at the slow speeds. Their concentration and the audience reaction is evidence of skill and practice. Interesting to see where peoples eyes and at times hands would go. The usual groupie or devotee and band interplay. Some of the young men slam dancing seemed pretty hyped up, but most people did not seem too spaced out. Big Mike seems like a he enjoys the performance and takes it very seriously. Sure, unkind thoughts would creep up as there was so much footage of the hefty ninja turtles, and I wanted to spot the POI or Chelsea, something, anything that would help, but those subsided as the context grew on me. I did wonder if Big Mike may have worn ninja turtle underwear and pajamas as a child, thus the amazingly elaborate homemade costumes. They did put time and effort making the costumes and editing the videos, just so. I hope they have put just as much effort getting their helpers, security guards, their impressions and raw video footage to LE.

You have expressed yourself in a far more charitable, and TOS compliant manner than I could have. And yes, I certainly hope that the head turtle and his posse are leveraging their following to do everything possible to help bring Chelsea home. If this weren't such a serious matter, I would sneer.
 
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You have all set me thinking over some of the things we have learned. I cannot add answers to your questions, Klynn. I think you have it pretty accurate as far as what we have heard, though.

My gut feeling is Chelsea trusted this person, having probably spoken to him at other parties (I cannot confirm this as true-- just my feeling). He somehow knew she needed a ride and offered to drive her home. I wonder if he made some unwanted advances and she rebuffed him, making him angry. I hate to go any further as to what could have happened if that were the possible course of events.

As for the party, I was rather impressed that many/most of the guests did not appear horribly wasted, though I cannot put times to the video. What band was playing at what time might make a difference in sobriety levels. I agree the bands seem invested in their music and probably hope one day to be "famous." That being said, wouldn't law enforcement be able to subpoena the unedited films? I hope they did. That would be the biggest clue, in my opinion. What bothers me is that so few seem to have even seen or spoken to Chelsea.

I know we are all grasping for anything that makes sense. It is just that there is so little concrete evident
ce available to be helpful, at least that we are aware of. Oh, to be a fly on the wall at the LE department.

As for her not driving, I seem to remember Kilen mentioned earlier here that Chelea did a little damage backing out of the garage and did not drive after that (or similar). She had no problem with getting rides, so she never felt the need for a license. I see more young people these days who do not rush out to get that license, so it hasn't been a big surprise to me to hear that she was one of those who chose to put it off.

All of this is JMO (Just My Opinion), of course
 
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I also vaguely recall reading that all of the promotional/professional footage was copied and given to LE, early in the investigation, I could be wrong, but thought it was in a news article or something.

The party started at 1:00 p.m. in the afternoon, but according to the timeline we have gathered CB didn't arrive until after 11:00 p.m. If PXP, was the headliner, I would think they would have played last. Jmo
 
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do you really wonder if he wore those as a child? Sorry I just had to ask.

no, not more than once or twice. I wonder much much more, since this case started, why he wouldn't just give all the raw footage to LE from the get go. It would have been the righteous decent thing to do promptly as possible. That made me suspicious of whether the witness was credible, whether she ever did leave or just come to harm there, and he may be covering it up. All those suspicions were put to rest by Kilen as things progressed, and she helped us understand where things stood.
 
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You have all set me thinking over some of the things we have learned. I cannot add answers to your questions, Klynn. I think you have it pretty accurate as far as what we have heard, though.

My gut feeling is Chelsea trusted this person, having probably spoken to him at other parties (I cannot confirm this as true-- just my feeling). He somehow knew she needed a ride and offered to drive her home. I wonder if he made some unwanted advances and she rebuffed him, making him angry. I hate to go any further as to what could have happened if that were the possible course of events.

As for the party, I was rather impressed that many/most of the guests did not appear horribly wasted, though I cannot put times to the video. What band was playing at what time might make a difference in sobriety levels. I agree the bands seem invested in their music and probably hope one day to be "famous." That being said, wouldn't law enforcement be able to subpoena the unedited films? I hope they did. That would be the biggest clue, in my opinion. What bothers me is that so few seem to have even seen or spoken to Chelsea.

I know we are all grasping for anything that makes sense. It is just that there is so little concrete evident
ce available to be helpful, at least that we are aware of. Oh, to be a fly on the wall at the LE department.

As for her not driving, I seem to remember Kilen mentioned earlier here that Chelea did a little damage backing out of the garage and did not drive after that (or similar). She had no problem with getting rides, so she never felt the need for a license. I see more young people these days who do not rush out to get that license, so it hasn't been a big surprise to me to hear that she was one of those who chose to put it off.

All of this is JMO (Just My Opinion), of course

Im going to speculate in a slightly different angle here. I think she met him that night, was taking off with him and frantically trying to reach her friends to advise them of her romantic plan. Im a little confused as to why her friends had her phone? Did her costume not accomodate carrying a phone or was she too messed up to manage her possessions? Did her friends say how altered she was? Did the Perp pick off the gal who was messed up and an easy target? Where on earth were her girlfriends?
 
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Okay, here's the other thing that has been bugging me since spotting Chelsea Bruck in the June video. Almost every time you see her, she is, to begin with near, and then later interacting with one of the security guys in a labeled orange shirt. At first when they're watching the fire dancers they don't seem to know each other, then you see them interacting over something on her hand held device, whether a phone or camera, a number of times. The last time you see them together is when the same security guy approaches her, and the two of them are talking about something on the device as well. That's a lot of interaction with somebody in Big Mike's inner circle, so to speak. Then you hear about her having given her phone over to friends in the last concert from which she disappeared. Why would she do that, have somebody hold her phone? What would motivate that? You see her holding the prop bottle and other items in the pictures from the concert. Why wouldn't she want to keep her phone and prefer to keep borrowing others'. Could it have had anything to do with all the attention her device got from the security guy in the last concert? That course of events made me wonder and still does to some extent. Was the same security guy at this concert? Could she have been avoiding his attention to her device? His picture wasn't posted by LE as to the ones they were trying to ID on the Monroe Sheriff's FB site. This may be just connecting things that don't really have connections, but Chelsea was not unknown to at least some people in the inner circle. Especially, since the last shot of her in the June video when the security guy approaches her was focused on them by an individual taping it. I don't know. I would hope LE already has some answers on this.
 
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I was working in Ann Arbor today...I started talking about Chelsea w/ a co-worker who is also from the Monroe area. I was explaining how Kassie Bruck is friends w/ Jennifer Niswender (this info was in a news article). As you may recall, Jennifer's twin sister was murdered in 12/12 in Ypsilanti. Chelsea attended/graduated from the same high school as both Julia/ Jennifer-Airport in Carleton, Mi. As far as I know Julia's case is still unsolved.
I am sure it is highly unlikely that there is any connection w/ Chelsea's case but maybe it is something that should be explored further.
Julia Niswender Killed, No Suspect In Eastern Michigan ...
m.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/12/julia-niswender-killed_n...
Dec 12, 2012*·*
 
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I almost would have bet that she ran off with this guy, except there have been no credible known reported sightings of her anywhere in the U.S. that have been publicized, even after the Nancy grace Airing. They would have to be in a very secluded and unpopulated area, which is too far fetched for me to believe at this length of time.
Im going to speculate in a slightly different angle here. I think she met him that night, was taking off with him and frantically trying to reach her friends to advise them of her romantic plan. Im a little confused as to why her friends had her phone? Did her costume not accomodate carrying a phone or was she too messed up to manage her possessions? Did her friends say how altered she was? Did the Perp pick off the gal who was messed up and an easy target? Where on earth were her girlfriends?
 
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I found what I think is a glimpes of Chelsea Bruck, in the last video @ about 5:32 and 6:08. Here are some screen grabs of just her, so as not to show anyone else. Many many more screen grabs of all the videos, as tweaked as I could, were sent after reviewing all the videos again, to Kilen, who I'm sure will forward them to LE.
View attachment 64427View attachment 64428View attachment 64426View attachment 64426


from here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVNxg3K28qc

IDK if that is her because the top she was wearing is more of a U shape top. I spents hours looking at these videos, hoping I would see her and sent in pictures to the tip line. When I went over to my daughters and watched it on a bigger laptop sadly it wasn't her but I am still watching these videos hoping and praying I will see her there.
 
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My grandson lost so many cell phones and maybe that is why she left hers in her friends car. And I agree like others here that she knew him and trusted him to leave with him and something awful
happen during that ride back home or to her friends house. I also read witnesses saw her at the bonfire my question is was she still in her costume? Look at the comments in this article-

http://www.examiner.com/article/what-happened-to-chelsea-bruck?cid=rss
 
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IDK if that is her because the top she was wearing is more of a U shape top. I spents hours looking at these videos, hoping I would see her and sent in pictures to the tip line. When I went over to my daughters and watched it on a bigger laptop sadly it wasn't her but I am still watching these videos hoping and praying I will see her there.

The strap is the same. She's in the background against the wall. Those shots are a tad distorted because of re-sizing. This is out there, but the sketch, and all the young men who could fit the description, reminded me of the ¨The Thomas Crown Affair¨ and the scene where Thomas Crown has a bunch of men dressed just like him to evade being identified. Nuther thing, early the next morning, around 5 am, so 24 hrs + after the 3:15 am time Chelsea Bruck was last seen, IIRC, because I haven't found the report again yet, there was a robbery at a gas station in Maybee, or near there, I think, where somebody entered a gas station from the back door, knocked out the attendant with a strike to the head from the back, and left unseen. The person who abducted Jessica Heeringa was reported to have gone in through the back door of the station where she worked, as well.
 
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I was working in Ann Arbor today...I started talking about Chelsea w/ a co-worker who is also from the Monroe area. I was explaining how Kassie Bruck is friends w/ Jennifer Niswender (this info was in a news article). As you may recall, Jennifer's twin sister was murdered in 12/12 in Ypsilanti. Chelsea attended/graduated from the same high school as both Julia/ Jennifer-Airport in Carleton, Mi. As far as I know Julia's case is still unsolved.
I am sure it is highly unlikely that there is any connection w/ Chelsea's case but maybe it is something that should be explored further.
Julia Niswender Killed, No Suspect In Eastern Michigan ...
m.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/12/julia-niswender-killed_n...
Dec 12, 2012*·*

Here's the link to the Julia Niswender forum. The discussion hasn't been active recently as there has been little new information in the case.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...2-drowning-homicide&highlight=julia+niswender
 
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You raise a variety of important points. Most important, it will be vital for LE to get straight answers from her close circle of friends who joined her at the party. I suspect there are a few things they would rather not tell LE, but it is *critical* that they do so. Any little detail that doesn't seem significant could be the very detail that leads LE to Chelsea. I would encourage them to share absolutely every detail of that evening, even if they think it's something that doesn't matter. It all matters.

BTW, why doesn't Chelsea, a 22 year old, drive? I don't ask this to get in to her personal business, but I'm asking in relation to her disappearance. Does she have a known condition that prevents her from driving that could have effected her health or stability the night of the party? This would be good to know and should be factored in to the search, if relevant.

See Kilen's post #778 for some personal details about Chelsea.
 
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Not sure if this was done already (hope it was ) but has the "missing poster " been added to the Ninja Turtle bands Web page?
 
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