GUILTY MI - Chelsea Bruck, 22, Frenchtown Twp, 26 Oct 2014 #2

[FindHG]

I don't think it is forgotten at all. The Monroe Sheriff's office was gracious enough to be in touch about the screen grabs from the videos, today. Seemed like the case is very active for them.

Thank you for the thought Sweetgrits, I too hope she's home by Christmas.

 

[Spellbound]

That is great, FindHG! Thanks for sharing it. Any tiny scrap of hope and I will hang on for dear life.

Sweetgrits, thanks for sharing your hopes. Not sure if I welcomed you to our group, but it is good having you here.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I'm speculating that LE has this narrowed down to specific POI, and maybe players who have info. The silence, to me, suggests the gathering of enough forensic evidence to insure a conviction. LE can't be hasty with arrests, they need to have everything lined up. I think between all the witnesses, the cameras, and forensics....they are most likely close. All the lab work takes a fair amount of time. Justice will prevail; we have to be patient. Very hard to do, of course.
God Bless the family, I am surrounding them in prayer.

 

[ARealist]

Missing person case, no body, no foul play, as they say. First they must believe there is foul play, which they may, I don't think her body has been discovered, if it had been we would know. I understand that there can be some convictions without a body, however they would need A LOT of evidence and a definite suspect to lead them in that direction in the first place. Maybe they are watching someone. They don't appear to have much visible evidence. Perhaps i am underestimating them. We shall see. This statement by the former Sheriff on another unsolved familiar case was a bit hasty;

"May 2012 May 23 - In an interview published in The Monroe News, Monroe County Sheriff Tilman Crutchfield said investigators are closer to arresting the person they believe is responsible for the kidnapping and murder of Nevaeh Buchanan, the 5-year-old girl who was snatched from an apartment complex three years ago."

Read more at: http://www.monroenews.com/news/2013/may/24/nevaeh-buchanan-timeline-events/ Taken from the Monroe Evening News;

I'm speculating that LE has this narrowed down to specific POI, and maybe players who have info. The silence, to me, suggests the gathering of enough forensic evidence to insure a conviction. LE can't be hasty with arrests, they need to have everything lined up. I think between all the witnesses, the cameras, and forensics....they are most likely close. All the lab work takes a fair amount of time. Justice will prevail; we have to be patient. Very hard to do, of course.
God Bless the family, I am surrounding them in prayer.

 

[Doubley]

Hi everyone. Long time lurker around this place, finally signed up!

I just spent the last few hours reading on the threads about Chelsea. My heart goes out to her family and friends, and those closely effected by her disappearance. I wish the best possible outcome.

I'm sure this has probably been done already, since it's kind of obvious, but I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the threads - given it seems that Chelsea was borrowing other people's phone's throughout the night to call her friends, and even her own phone, I am presuming LE have following up on the phone numbers/owners of those phone's that she was using? Given I think I read she called a friend just before 3am which was around the time she disappeared, maybe she used the phone of the mystery man that she was sighted with? As I said, I'm sure it's an obvious avenue for LE to follow up on, but be interested to know if anyone has heard anything about this.

 

[gracehatter]

Hoping every morning, today is the day Chelsea comes home.

 

[Spellbound]

:Welcome1:to Doubley!

LE does not seem to share anything with us that might answer your questions, but I would be willing to bet they have checked out phones they know Chelsea used. They did speak to any of the party guests who were known to have had contact with Chelsea. Keep your thoughts going, fresh "eyes" may see something we have been missing.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

The "phone" situation has always been puzzling :waitasec: Why would Chelsea leave her own cell phone in someone's car if she knew that she might need it during the party? Who was she calling when she borrowed others' phones to make calls? Who did she call @3:00AM right before she went missing? I think the phone calls Chelsea made that night/early morning might be key to finding out what happened to her. :moo:

 

[OldSteve]

Hi everyone. Long time lurker around this place, finally signed up!

I just spent the last few hours reading on the threads about Chelsea. My heart goes out to her family and friends, and those closely effected by her disappearance. I wish the best possible outcome.

I'm sure this has probably been done already, since it's kind of obvious, but I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the threads - given it seems that Chelsea was borrowing other people's phone's throughout the night to call her friends, and even her own phone, I am presuming LE have following up on the phone numbers/owners of those phone's that she was using? Given I think I read she called a friend just before 3am which was around the time she disappeared, maybe she used the phone of the mystery man that she was sighted with? As I said, I'm sure it's an obvious avenue for LE to follow up on, but be interested to know if anyone has heard anything about this.

:welcome: :welcome2: :welcome6: Doubley :welcome5:

Hope whomever let her used their phones have come forward allowing LE to check just what you mentioned.... Would think LE would be asking for those phones if they didn't have them by now, though...

 

[FindHG]

Hi everyone. Long time lurker around this place, finally signed up!

briefed respectfully

Welcome and thank you for pitching in. Spellbound is right, fresh eyes are great and appreciated.

From what I understood previously, she left her phone with friends during the later part of the night. As her friends trickled home, one of them had told her to call her for a ride if she needed it. Chelsea Bruck did apparently call this person for a ride with a borrowed phone but they may not have spoken and she may have left a message. That friend did return to the party to give her ride home, but by that time Chelsea had walked toward the parking area with the POI. The friend and others who looked for her couldn't find her. That's how they knew she was missing so soon after the event. If you go back to the Sheriff's PC, he presents a timeline of who she was in touch with and when that night. I would think the Monroe Sheriff's investigators have checked her friends phones and they had Chelsea phone and records to check as well.

I wonder if data dumps from cell towers and analysis of phone ping patterns of the people at the concert they cannot eliminate as the POI may tell something. Though it seems like a daunting task, as it would require information from multiple carriers from cell phone towers tracing these pings back before the concert and after as far away as that may be. Specifically, whose phone from the crowd at the Bash stopped pinging when and where may give LE some ideas for leads? A phone battery has to be disengaged, not just out of juice, removed completely for phones to stop pinging completely, that may often enough bespeak not wanting to be traced.

The thing that stands out to me still, is in the last concert in June, you see a security guy in an orange shirt interacting with Chelsea a number of times while they're looking at her phone or camera. At one point he even approaches her and they start interacting over her hand held device which I assume to be either a camera or a phone. The camera recording it actually zooms in on this interaction. I wondered if her not keeping her phone the night of the bash had anything to do with not wanting that attention again for some reason. I hope LE has had a chance to talk to that former security guard about what their conversations were about or if Chelsea expressed anything about those interaction to friends. I think the same security guy was at the Bash but not in an orange shirt this time. LE seems to have all the raw footage from the videographers who made the video clips for PAP. My impression from Monroe Sheriff's office is that they are still going at the investigation full force.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I got an eerie feeling :scared: when I saw the photo of Chelsea and her sister Kassie with the Niswender twins earlier this week. I hope LE isn't totally debunking the possibility that Julia's murder and Chelsea's disappearance aren't in some way linked. :moo:

ETA: photo in this article http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...swender-chelsea-small-chelsea-bruck/20270675/

 

[FindHG]

I got an eerie feeling :scared: when I saw the photo of Chelsea and her sister Kassie with the Niswender twins earlier this week. I hope LE isn't totally debunking the possibility that Julia's murder and Chelsea's disappearance aren't in some way linked. :moo:

ETA: photo in this article http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...swender-chelsea-small-chelsea-bruck/20270675/

Thank you for this.

3 families still hope, plead for breaks in daughters' cases
By Katrease Stafford, Detroit Free Press, quotes this from your link

"Our girls were so close," said Leandra Bruck, Chelsea Bruck's mother. "When Julia died, it was just a big hole blown into our lives. There has not been a day that's gone by that I don't miss her."

For her own daughter's case, Leandra Bruck is clinging to hope.

"For my Chelsea, I can't even begin to explain how strong my hope is that she will be found," she said. "She will be here. We just don't know when. We're on God's time. The three of us, us mothers, we have a very strong bond, a bond of one. Meaning that one person knows what happened to Julia, what happened to Chelsea (Small) and who has my Chelsea. I don't give up. We won't give up."

 

[Sweetgrits]

I'm speculating that LE has this narrowed down to specific POI, and maybe players who have info. The silence, to me, suggests the gathering of enough forensic evidence to insure a conviction. LE can't be hasty with arrests, they need to have everything lined up. I think between all the witnesses, the cameras, and forensics....they are most likely close. All the lab work takes a fair amount of time. Justice will prevail; we have to be patient. Very hard to do, of course.
God Bless the family, I am surrounding them in prayer.

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I'm not being rude or disrespectful, but tell me why you think LE has anything in this case. I worry all the time that with all the people at the party and the costumes that the only way Chelsea will be found is by accident. I would love to know your thoughts as I need encouragement. TIA

 

[rosesfromangels]

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I'm not being rude or disrespectful, but tell me why you think LE has anything in this case. I worry all the time that with all the people at the party and the costumes that the only way Chelsea will be found is by accident. I would love to know your thoughts as I need encouragement. TIA

Hi Sweetgrits! With grits in your name, I'm assuming y'all are from the south!
This is pure speculation and deduction from all the various postings, news clips, interviews, and predictive modeling I do based on known Perp patterns & analysis. I am by no means a professional, just sharing what emerges for me as good theories. Some basic considerations:

*Lots of cameras and videos taken from that event. What emerges outside of the main focus of the photo will be equally relevant, if not more important. (Who keeps popping up lurking around her?
*From what I understand, there are a large percentage of "regulars" who show up for these Pick Axe Preacher concerts/events. While 600-ish is indeed a large number of people to triage through, keep in mind the theory of "six degrees of separation". You follow the bread crumb trail of who knows who, who knows who.
*There are certain established time event anchors that help track the bread crumb trail. (Seen showing the security guard her phone, calling from another phone to talk about a facial injury, and so forth)
*THE BAND MUST HAVE A (E)MAILING LIST and fans noted on their facebook page. I would be ever so interested to triage through that list, and especially note who "unfriended" or email opted out after the incident. (Or, was added....)

And my list goes on.....

BTW, I'm sure the Perp reads this page, and the Facebook page(s). I would suggest to them that their best course of action is to get a lawyer, confess, and plea. Or, of course, they can wait and see. Of course not all the sleeping pills in the world will work with this on their conscience. But again, they can wait and see. But as Dirty Harry said, "do you feel lucky?" I'm betting on LE.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I got an eerie feeling :scared: when I saw the photo of Chelsea and her sister Kassie with the Niswender twins earlier this week. I hope LE isn't totally debunking the possibility that Julia's murder and Chelsea's disappearance aren't in some way linked. :moo:

ETA: photo in this article http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...swender-chelsea-small-chelsea-bruck/20270675/

100% agree. Too coincidental. Every possible connection there should be vigorously examined, IMO.

 

[bragi]

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I'm not being rude or disrespectful, but tell me why you think LE has anything in this case. I worry all the time that with all the people at the party and the costumes that the only way Chelsea will be found is by accident. I would love to know your thoughts as I need encouragement. TIA

My understanding is that sometimes LE has information we don't even know exists. And sometimes that leads to solves. There are certainly circumstances I can dream up that aren't farfetched and would have LE very busy still.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

100% agree. Too coincidental. Every possible connection there should be vigorously examined, IMO.

I don't post about "gut feelings" or dreams that I have that might be related to a case that I'm following closely. That photo of the Bruck sisters and the Niswender twins truly made me gasp I knew the girls were acquainted and/or went to school together at one time, but I had no idea that the foursome was close enough to appear in a group photo. It seems like LE dismissed the possibility of a link between Julia's untimely death and Chelsea's disappearance rather quickly, and I'm hoping that this is really not the case.

No one has been charged in the Niswender case: The perp hasn't been caught and seems to have gotten away with murder. Perhaps he'd become increasingly brazen and confident during the nearly two years since Julia's death and decided that it was time to strike again. I hope LE takes a long, hard look at any mutual acquaintances of the Bruck sisters and the Niswender twins. :moo:

 

[XXXXXXXX]

I'm sure the Perp reads this page, and the Facebook page(s). I would suggest to them that their best course of action is to get a lawyer, confess, and plea. Or, of course, they can wait and see. Of course not all the sleeping pills in the world will work with this on their conscience. But again, they can wait and see. But as Dirty Harry said, "do you feel lucky?" I'm betting on LE.

I don't think the kind of person responsible for Chelsea's disappearance has a conscience to keep them awake at night. Doubt they need any sleeping pills. That kind of person sleeps just fine because they have no respect for any life but their own.

As far as betting on LE? I won't put my money on that. I have huge respect for LEO's, but I live in Monroe. Detectives in Monroe have so little experience with this kind of thing. Small town, usually low crime rate.

I know I mentioned the Nevaeh Buchanan case here in Monroe a couple of weeks ago. There's a lot of local disagreement 5 years later on that cold case. Some think the reason no arrest was ever made is because local LE KNOWS who the killer/killers are but already in jail over some other offense.

That makes no sense to me, however. Who cares? Go ahead and charge them. It would help our community heal just to know charges have been filed. Instead, we're left wondering how competent they really are.

Most of the people I know locally don't have any confidence in LE solving this case based on the above mentioned case. And as I mentioned, I have the utmost respect for LEOs. It's just hard to have faith when past experience only led to frustration and no arrests 5 years after the murder of a 5 year old baby.

I hope I'm wrong and that Chelsea will be found and someone held accountable for the nightmare her family has had to endure for two months now.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I don't think the kind of person responsible for Chelsea's disappearance has a conscience to keep them awake at night. Doubt they need any sleeping pills. That kind of person sleeps just fine because they have no respect for any life but their own.

As far as betting on LE? I won't put my money on that. I have huge respect for LEO's, but I live in Monroe. Detectives in Monroe have so little experience with this kind of thing. Small town, usually low crime rate.

I know I mentioned the Nevaeh Buchanan case here in Monroe a couple of weeks ago. There's a lot of local disagreement 5 years later on that cold case. Some think the reason no arrest was ever made is because local LE KNOWS who the killer/killers are but already in jail over some other offense.

That makes no sense to me, however. Who cares? Go ahead and charge them. It would help our community heal just to know charges have been filed. Instead, we're left wondering how competent they really are.

Most of the people I know locally don't have any confidence in LE solving this case based on the above mentioned case. And as I mentioned, I have the utmost respect for LEOs. It's just hard to have faith when past experience only led to frustration and no arrests 5 years after the murder of a 5 year old baby.

I hope I'm wrong and that Chelsea will be found and someone held accountable for the nightmare her family has had to endure for two months now.

The University of Michigan Dearborn is 34 miles from Monroe and they have a Criminology department, and a Dean. I also notice that alumni from that program who worked in the Attorney General's office and other notable criminal justice roles. (Google all this). Perhaps you can see if any of the surrounding Universities would be interested in helping. At minimum, they could advise you on when and if federal authorities might assist. Just some ideas.

 

[XXXXXXXX]

The University of Michigan Dearborn is 34 miles from Monroe and they have a Criminology department, and a Dean. I also notice that alumni from that program who worked in the Attorney General's office and other notable criminal justice roles. (Google all this). Perhaps you can see if any of the surrounding Universities would be interested in helping. At minimum, they could advise you on when and if federal authorities might assist. Just some ideas.

Thanks. I know where the University of Michigan (Dearborn campus) is. I know where the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor campus is. I graduated from UM A2.

I was in the search party for Neveah. Here's a timeline of events for you:

http://www.monroenews.com/news/2013/may/24/nevaeh-buchanan-timeline-events/

The FBI was involved, yet no arrests made. That is what is so discouraging locally about any hope for Chelsea.