GUILTY MI - Chelsea Bruck, 22, Frenchtown Twp, 26 Oct 2014 #2

[BetteDavisEyes]

Sorry, but wearing tights like a ten year old girl scout does not qualify you as a "hipster" (aging or otherwise) in my book. However, if they are working with, and cooperating with LE that's all that really matters.

And that said, I just went on "Big Mike's" Pick Axe Preacher Band page on FB, and note that whatever posts there were between October 1 - November 8 have been removed.
The people who indicated they were attending that Halloween event are no longer visible.

I knew there was something amiss with the posts on PAP's FB :banghead: When I was scrolling through the site noting the various clubs where they perform, I had come across a dive bar that was within a couple of miles of my childhood home in Detroit. When I was looking for the club on PAP's site this morning, I couldn't find it. I have an excellent memory but can't recall the name of the venue.

Albeit not-so-favorable, Pick Axe Preacher is getting a lot of free publicity on Websleuths. :angel:

 

[rosesfromangels]

I am happy to promote their band when they hold a fundraiser for Chelsea.

 

[Spellbound]

Admittedly, I tried to give the band a bit of support at first, but the longer this goes on with no support being given by them, I am becoming upset. These are not teens, but young adults who are capable of giving back to their community in a big way.

Is anyone familiar enough with FB to post on PAP pages with a suggestion for a fundraiser and more fliers at concerts and FB, or at least a mention of CB at their events? Or do you have to be a follower to do that? And would the Bruck family want this? According to an early interview with Big Mike, I think he said he tried to talk to Mrs B, and she did not want to speak to him.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Admittedly, I tried to give the band a bit of support at first, but the longer this goes on with no support being given by them, I am becoming upset. These are not teens, but young adults who are capable of giving back to their community in a big way.

Is anyone familiar enough with FB to post on PAP pages with a suggestion for a fundraiser and more fliers at concerts and FB, or at least a mention of CB at their events? Or do you have to be a follower to do that? And would the Bruck family want this? According to an early interview with Big Mike, I think he said he tried to talk to Mrs B, and she did not want to speak to him.

The family is distraught and scared (rightfully so), and no doubt directing their anxiety and anger towards the venue that seemingly was the catalyst for Chelsea's disappearance.
That being said, I think everyone can set aside their personal feelings to focus on finding Chelsea. If the band is willing to hold a fundraiser with all proceeds going to the search for Chelsea, or towards the reward, think it would go a long way. They would get extra points for not wearing those stupid tights, but that is optional.
Let's see what friends of the family think. This is a very sensitive time, but I really do think a fundraiser sponsored by the band would go a very long way in rallying action, and getting the publicity this case needs. Despite the tights (yes, I am hung up on the tights), I'd like to see Big Mike have a chance to do the right thing. I saw the original interview with him, and found him to be genuine. This can't be a good place to find oneself in.

 

[Spellbound]

Good points, roses. Thanks. It definitely is worth a chance.

 

[melissasmom]

I noticed while scrolling on the band's FB page that they had posted the flyer for Chelsea once in Nov and once in Dec, I think. On one of those postings a person had asked them if they could pin the post to the top of their page so it would stay there. No response from the band, and of course it was not pinned. Another person asked them to please post the flyer at least once a week. No response to that post either.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I noticed while scrolling on the band's FB page that they had posted the flyer for Chelsea once in Nov and once in Dec, I think. On one of those postings a person had asked them if they could pin the post to the top of their page so it would stay there. No response from the band, and of course it was not pinned. Another person asked them to please post the flyer at least once a week. No response to that post either.

Yes, I saw that too. Well, let's see if friends of the family would be open to the idea of the band sponsoring a fundraising event for Chelsea's search efforts/reward fund. The media would be interested in this as a followup story; especially if social media is fully leveraged. I would suggest getting the local colleges involved as well.
I think it's difficult to know what the right thing to do is in these type of circumstances for people like those in the band. They have a chance to really do some good, and further cement themselves in to the community as alternative, but great citizens.

 

[goldenbear]

I really think it is time to get the assistance of a local PI.(before the case gets too cold) Jim Carlson is a local PI and would be able to find out if the wig was found and where it was found this could provide a direction to search. Happy New Year everyone!

 

[Elizabella]

Seems like PAP is pleased with their accomplishments during 2014. No mention of Chelsea in this January 1 entry.

Pick Axe Preacher

January 1 at 5:54am

Happy New Year! PXP accomplished so much this year, and we are vary proud of that. An EP, 2 music videos, a **** ton of shows, parties, and pits, we got signed to Hell City Records, and a **** ton of stickers and promotion! 2014 couldn't of gone better! We cant wait to show our fans what we have for them in 2015! \m/ :x \m/ Cheers y'all!

https://www.facebook.com/pickaxepreacher

They are probably trying to distance themselves from her disappearance as much as possible. They may be worried that constantly reminding their fans that a young woman went missing after leaving their event and is presumed dead may frighten them and drive people away. Not at all defending them, but this might explain their odd behavior.... That being said, I can't think of any reason why they wouldn't be up for performing a fundraiser.

 

[Klynn3]

The other thing that still baffles me is how LE was able to rule out (so early) any connection to Julia Niswender's case. I know that myself and several others brought this connection up, prior to articles, referencing this connection. Julia's case is still unsolved and as far as I know there are no suspects. If there are no suspects...how does anyone truly know there isn't any type of connection. Again, living in this SMALL community...the fact that 2 tragic events have occurred to young woman...who not only attended the same high school but associated w/ the same circle of friends is just so very strange to me. I wonder if LE has researched fellow students from the Airport School District? I am sure they have but to what degree.
Additionally, I still find puzzling that Chelsea called her own cell phone around 2:00am. I wish we knew or could understand why she made that call. It would seem to me that she must have anticipated that her friend w/ her phone would answer or could she have been checking her personal voicemail? Could she have been expecting a call from somebody, maybe someone, who wasn't actually at the party? If so, could this individual have made plans to pick Chelsea up from the party (could this explain why no one remembers POI)? Why would Chelsea have chosen, NOT to accept a ride home (we know she received an offer around 3:00am)?

Sorry, for going back to these topics but both have been on my mind lately.

 

[FindHG]

The other thing that still baffles me is how LE was able to rule out (so early) any connection to Julia Niswender's case. I know that myself and several others brought this connection up, prior to articles, referencing this connection. Julia's case is still unsolved and as far as I know there are no suspects. If there are no suspects...how does anyone truly know there isn't any type of connection. Again, living in this SMALL community...the fact that 2 tragic events have occurred to young woman...who not only attended the same high school but associated w/ the same circle of friends is just so very strange to me. I wonder if LE has researched fellow students from the Airport School District? I am sure they have but to what degree.
Additionally, I still find puzzling that Chelsea called her own cell phone around 2:00am. I wish we knew or could understand why she made that call. It would seem to me that she must have anticipated that her friend w/ her phone would answer or could she have been checking her personal voicemail? Could she have been expecting a call from somebody, maybe someone, who wasn't actually at the party? If so, could this individual have made plans to pick Chelsea up from the party (could this explain why no one remembers POI)? Why would Chelsea have chosen, NOT to accept a ride home (we know she received an offer around 3:00am)?

Sorry, for going back to these topics but both have been on my mind lately.

BBM

The idea that there could be a connection is very compelling.

Her phone, IIRC, she had left with friends throughout the night. The friend who left with it was the one who returned to pick her up, soon after Chelsea Bruck was said to have walked off toward the parking lot. When the friend with Chelsea's phone arrived at BM's to get Chelsea and she wasn't there, the search for her began, with people checking with each other. I think the clearest timeline of this is still in the original PC given by the Monroe Sheriff. Chelsea had borrowed phones throughout the night, what stood out as odd for me was, if she intended to take a ride, she would have called off the request from her friend with the phone. Chelsea had been in touch with friends throughout the night, so why stop now? She doesn't sound like a person who would rouse a friend from sleep for a ride then blow her off. It may be an indication that she never had a chance to send that text calling off the ride and an abduction against her will took place before she could.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I really think it is time to get the assistance of a local PI.(before the case gets too cold) Jim Carlson is a local PI and would be able to find out if the wig was found and where it was found this could provide a direction to search. Happy New Year everyone!

Jim Carlson is not local to this case; his firm is in Battle Creek. JC was instrumental in working the Teleka Patrick case, but that was in Kalamazoo on the far west side of Michigan. Monroe County where Chelsea disappeared is in southeastern lower MI. I agree that a PI should be brought into the case, but it should be someone who is familiar with the area.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

The other thing that still baffles me is how LE was able to rule out (so early) any connection to Julia Niswender's case. I know that myself and several others brought this connection up, prior to articles, referencing this connection. Julia's case is still unsolved and as far as I know there are no suspects. If there are no suspects...how does anyone truly know there isn't any type of connection. Again, living in this SMALL community...the fact that 2 tragic events have occurred to young woman...who not only attended the same high school but associated w/ the same circle of friends is just so very strange to me. I wonder if LE has researched fellow students from the Airport School District? I am sure they have but to what degree...

<respectfully snipped>

I was completely baffled when LE ruled out any connection with the Julia Niswender case :waitasec: I recall having heard that Chelsea's sister was friends with Jennifer Niswender, but the closeness of the relationship didn't hit home until I saw the photo of the Niswender twins with Chelsea and Kassandra Bruck. I sincerely hope that LE has backpedaled on their original claim and that they reconsider the possibility that the two cases might be related in some way. :moo:

 

[dmc43613]

Question for group...

Does anyone know if Chelsea was a WS participant for Julia's case?

 

[Klynn3]

BBM

The idea that there could be a connection is very compelling.

Her phone, IIRC, she had left with friends throughout the night. The friend who left with it was the one who returned to pick her up, soon after Chelsea Bruck was said to have walked off toward the parking lot. When the friend with Chelsea's phone arrived at BM's to get Chelsea and she wasn't there, the search for her began, with people checking with each other. I think the clearest timeline of this is still in the original PC given by the Monroe Sheriff. Chelsea had borrowed phones throughout the night, what stood out as odd for me was, if she intended to take a ride, she would have called off the request from her friend with the phone. Chelsea had been in touch with friends throughout the night, so why stop now? She doesn't sound like a person who would rouse a friend from sleep for a ride then blow her off. It may be an indication that she never had a chance to send that text calling off the ride and an abduction against her will took place before she could.

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I have advised the girls about the body just in case but it's the other side of the state so it seems somewhat unlikely. [/B]

About the jug- Apparently the jug just kind of got of passed around from friend to friend over the course of the night, someone set it down by the fire and someone else picked it up and took it home with them. I believe when they recognized what they had once news of Chelsea's disappearance spread they called the police to let them know they had the jug and they surrendered it to the police.

I know that Chelsea borrowed a phone quite late into the party, I believe she borrowed it from the girl she spoke to at the bonfire and attempted to contact her friends to get a ride but nobody picked up their phones it would have been quite late at that point.


***I tried to copy one of Kilen's post above from thread 1. She states that Chelsea called a friend but the friend did not answer. I don't think that information is actually true that a friend came to pick her up but could not find her. I remember hearing this also...but based on Kilens response I believe it was just a rumor.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Question for group...

Does anyone know if Chelsea was a WS participant for Julia's case?

That would certainly put shivers down my spine!
How can these two cases NOT be connected?! I haven't seen the picture of Chelsea with the Niswender girl(s). Do they have a similar "look"? Are they all long hair blondes? If so, it reinforces a connection....a preference for a "type", a target. Did these girls all participate in a school activity or club together? Were they considered the "popular" girls?

I wonder if any witnesses have come forward from that evening who think they spoke with the POI. It would be very telling if these witnesses were long haired blondes. Betcha...

 

[Klynn3]

Per LE's timeline...we know she spoke to a friend around 1:30am (Chelsea told her about her injury). Her injury was said to have occurred at 12:45 or so (based on pictures w/ time stamps...not really sure how LE verified this data...as we have seen pictures with a later time stamp and Chelsea is not injured).They also stated that she borrowed several phones, throughout the evening, making several phone calls...but they don't believe she actually spoke to anyone. They mentioned that she called her own cell phone around 2:00am. At 3:00-3:15 is when she spoke to the acquaintance from high school near the bond fire. This individual was said to have offered her a ride. Almost moments later is when she was seen by the Vendor w/ POI talking and walking towards the parking lot.

I am not sure if I am missing anything.

 

[Klynn3]

That would certainly put shivers down my spine!
How can these two cases NOT be connected?! I haven't seen the picture of Chelsea with the Niswender girl(s). Do they have a similar "look"? Are they all long hair blondes? If so, it reinforces a connection....a preference for a "type", a target. Did these girls all participate in a school activity or club together? Were they considered the "popular" girls?

I wonder if any witnesses have come forward from that evening who think they spoke with the POI. It would be very telling if these witnesses were long haired blondes. Betcha...

The picture is posted closer to the beginning of this thread. I would try to find it for you but I am using my phone and it makes it very hard to find past info.

 

[dmc43613]

That would certainly put shivers down my spine!
How can these two cases NOT be connected?! I haven't seen the picture of Chelsea with the Niswender girl(s). Do they have a similar "look"? Are they all long hair blondes? If so, it reinforces a connection....a preference for a "type", a target. Did these girls all participate in a school activity or club together? Were they considered the "popular" girls?

I wonder if any witnesses have come forward from that evening who think they spoke with the POI. It would be very telling if these witnesses were long haired blondes. Betcha...

Chelsea is a blond, BUT was wearing a dark hair wig the night in question which makes it seem more eerie to me.

Julia was a beautiful (appeared quite fun spirited...based on SM threads) brunette.

I keeping thinking that Chelsea had to feel "comfortable" with this person may not have been anything more than an acquaintance via high school or some other social connection. We, at least I, have put most of my focus on the band and the people attached to the metal "scene".

I also do not know if there was ever anyone the families/friends (Niswender/Brucks) suspected in Julia's case...again, I do not think Chelsea would have felt comfortable leaving with such a person.

What if the person baited Chelsea with information about Julia? Or somehow that is how the POI struck up a convo with her? Gaining her trust via empathy towards the death of Julia, Chelsea let her defenses down with this person...

I tend to think the 2 cases may be somehow loosely linked. if not, what a very strange coincidence!

 

[Spellbound]

Photo of Chelsea Bruck, Julia Niswinder, and their sisters: