GUILTY MI - Chelsea Bruck, 22, Frenchtown Twp, 26 Oct 2014 #2

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Others, CMIIW, I recall it was outside, when she was leaving.... making vendor last known to speak/see her...

Thanks. If that's the case, the vendor would know if she seemed scared or stressed. This tells me that she probably left with him on her own accord, which is what everyone is leaning toward anyway I believe. In other words, he most likely didn't force her out of the place and into his car.

Ugh. I hate to keep circling back to old evidence. I wish new information would come out already.....
 
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Thanks. If that's the case, the vendor would know if she seemed scared or stressed. This tells me that she probably left with him on her own accord, which is what everyone is leaning toward anyway I believe. In other words, he most likely didn't force her out of the place and into his car.

Ugh. I hate to keep circling back to old evidence. I wish new information would come out already.....

Vendor did not provide much info... as the last person to see her, that always raises concern, and mentioning seeing her with the "POI" raises concern IMO because that is what I call "distancing" (perhaps not the best word - but you see it in cases where the last person to see or be with a victim wants to allow room for someone else to do something.)

Some examples -
In http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...no-30-August-2014-36-*Arrest*&highlight=plano
victim is walked to parking garage, but to right up to her car.

In http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...aux-23-Fayetteville-14-April-2012-*ARREST*-11
Kelli is driven to her apt. but not right up to front door, left a few blocks away.
 
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It's a long shot, and I'm not saying I think it's what happened, but in reality, what are the odds that she could have left on her own and then something bad (and unplanned) happened? Met the wrong person on the road? Had an accident of some sort? Just another theory to add to the pile.
 
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It's a long shot, and I'm not saying I think it's what happened, but in reality, what are the odds that she could have left on her own and then something bad (and unplanned) happened? Met the wrong person on the road? Had an accident of some sort? Just another theory to add to the pile.

It isn't likely and we discussed it quite a bit on the first thread. There is no sign of a struggle anywhere, no missing leaves or anything obvious. She didn't drive, so she had to get a ride most likely. No signs she was picked up " down the road" . Extensive searches in the area have turned up nothing. No physical signs of accidents of any sort in the area that night or the following days.

Thanks for your contribution, BeachBabe. Keep thinking for us.
 
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Just reviewing, thinking about this:

...Bruck was at the Halloween party and was dressed as Poison Ivy. According to Malone, she passed her phone off to a friend and was spotted by several people between 12:00 and 3:15 a.m., several of which offered to drive her home.

Malone said Bruck was last seen by a vendor at the party who, Malone pointed out, was one of the few who was not stoned or drunk at the party and could clearly remember seeing her. Malone said she was talking to someone near a bonfire between 3:00 and 3:15 a.m. This witness is the one who gave police the description of the man they say was talking to her.

The sheriff pointed out that the man depicted in the sketch is not a person of interest and there is no reason to believe Bruck is in danger.

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/2...eople-at-party-when-chelsea-bruck-disappeared

:thinking:

Of all the people that offered Chelsea a ride, she went with the wrong one...???

ETA: she must have really trusted them...whoever they are...

ETA2: feels like an 'ah-ha' moment...LOL

:dunno:
 
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It's a long shot, and I'm not saying I think it's what happened, but in reality, what are the odds that she could have left on her own and then something bad (and unplanned) happened? Met the wrong person on the road? Had an accident of some sort? Just another theory to add to the pile.

I honestly believe that whoever she left with caused her harm. Otherwise, why hasn't this person stepped forward yet? Unless they were also hurt/killed, but then why hasn't a missing persons report been issued on him yet?

Yeah, this seems like foul play to me....
 
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And if she knew this guy, even casually, and *liked him*, then her friends and sisters know who he is. Because, as all you women know, when we meet a guy we like, our BFF's know everything about him immediately. That's just how us gals are wired.
 
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since we are throwing out our thoughts.... I have always questioned if she left with that person described in the sketch. I just don't understand how no one else had seen him and with her. I do think she left with someone, just not the person in the sketch.
 
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Chelsea's sister, in her interview, mentioned that the vendor spoke to the two of them and saw them walk off toward the parking area. The POI exists, nobody has admitted to being him, nor knowing him other than the fakes, who've been charged now.

Sheriff Malone emphasized that the vendor was one of the only sober people there. Even if Chelsea wasn't super well-acquainted with this guy, before going off toward the car with him, some time after speaking with the vendor, she may have felt some level of safety that she was seen with him, maybe even that others knew him, or saw them together and knew they were leaving together. If those people exist, who might they be?
 
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And what is their motive for being complicit by not cooperating?
 
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And what is their motive for being complicit by not cooperating?

If such people exist, those closest to the POI, mom, dad, perhaps, or could he have sisters, brothers or others in his household (roommates) or associated, who may know he was there, resembles the POI, has proclivities and may have gotten in trouble? If such people exist who were at the concert, then I would say their motive would most likely be self preservation, which in a way, ties into my impression from the outset that the POI is well off, but they could be any band, group of people, acquaintances with messed up loyalties. This is all pie in the sky speculating.

Hope the Brucks get a good turn out tomorrow.
 
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since we are throwing out our thoughts.... I have always questioned if she left with that person described in the sketch. I just don't understand how no one else had seen him and with her. I do think she left with someone, just not the person in the sketch.

Yes, exactly! Goes back to what I call "distancing" as described a few posts up thread, actually it's about as perfect example of it I've seen! :ohoh:
 
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since we are throwing out our thoughts.... I have always questioned if she left with that person described in the sketch. I just don't understand how no one else had seen him and with her. I do think she left with someone, just not the person in the sketch.

It's definitely a possibility, but then why hasn't he stepped forward to offer what he knows? Or are you saying the person in the sketch was possibly invented?
 
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Thoughts and prayers for Chelsea's return to her own.
 
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It's definitely a possibility, but then why hasn't he stepped forward to offer what he knows? Or are you saying the person in the sketch was possibly invented?

I think there is a person the sketch resembles. I don't think the vendor lied. The two reasons I can think of that come to mind... One, no one has identified this person, as far as we know which makes me think the sketch doesn't look like the person. From what I have been told, often sketches can be very unreliable. So it is possible this person doesn't think it is them in the sketch. Given the amount of people there that night, the actual person, if not responsible, may not realize it is him. Possibly. If they do know it's them, they may be worried that if they go to LE no one would believe what they have to say. I just find it so odd that from what we are told, no one else saw the sketch and no tips and no one called in. That's why I think this way.

Unless we go the flip way and the sketch is made up, which would mean the vendor lied. I have thought this way. No one else seemed to, so I didn't discuss it here and kept that discussion to myself. Again, I find it SO odd no one else saw them together. I just can't wrap my hands around that one.
 
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Ok, working on your theory, why did he lie? Has he had a poly?
He is the only solid lead, he should be pressure tested.
 
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Ok, working on your theory, why did he lie? Has he had a poly?
He is the only solid lead, he should be pressure tested.

Can you imagine that LE hasn't, on most of those involved with BM's bash, at this point?

I would think LE has gone over it this way and that way many times by now, that nothing has lead to anything says something, but what?
 
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I think there is a person the sketch resembles. I don't think the vendor lied. The two reasons I can think of that come to mind... One, no one has identified this person, as far as we know which makes me think the sketch doesn't look like the person. From what I have been told, often sketches can be very unreliable. So it is possible this person doesn't think it is them in the sketch. Given the amount of people there that night, the actual person, if not responsible, may not realize it is him. Possibly. If they do know it's them, they may be worried that if they go to LE no one would believe what they have to say. I just find it so odd that from what we are told, no one else saw the sketch and no tips and no one called in. That's why I think this way.

Unless we go the flip way and the sketch is made up, which would mean the vendor lied. I have thought this way. No one else seemed to, so I didn't discuss it here and kept that discussion to myself. Again, I find it SO odd no one else saw them together. I just can't wrap my hands around that one.


BBM
hockeymom, you are putting a lot of thought into this. Thank you for that. We may have to go all the way back to the first thread for some of the info you questioned. Was it not the "sketch guy" Chelsea was talking to near the bonfire? I am not sure about that, and do not have time to go back through right now. I do know a lot of tips have been called in about possible matches to the sketch, and none have apparently panned out (at least that LE has let the public know). One young man even went to LE and said -- people thought it was him. It wasn't.

We get so little that LE may know, so it is hard to say if they actually have suspicions or evidence, even if very small. I do wish they shared something, anything, to keep this going.

As as for no one seeing the, together, it is possible others did. Unfortunately, if they did it was at a time when there was no reason to be vigilant about collecting evidence, so they had no reason to pay attwntion to specific details. A quick glance, she was with a guy, she spoke to a guy, no idea of what he looked like. I have been to gatherings (dinners, reunions, etc) where there was no drinking or loud distracting music and the next morning I still cannot tell you what my best friend or closest cousin was wearing. I would not be able to say if Sue was taller than John (not real people!) or if Carol has blue or green eyes. If there was no reason to be paying close attention to this individual, nothing to draw attention to him specifically, then he could blend in very well without anyone remembering much about him that would be helpful.

One other thing .... not knowing where the POI could be from, what if this person has committed suicide afterward, for whatever reason? Very little would draw attention to the Monroe area if he was actually somewhere else. Then we might never know what has happend. Just another possibility that mulls through my head at times.

JMO, of course.

ETA:
I cannot find info about whether sketch guy was around the campfire, particularly when Chelsea was talking to a school friend and used that girl's phone. Thus, I could be wrong about him being there. possible, wither way, I suppose.

We had a touch more snow overnight, and expect a few days with snow during the week. It is going to be a late season for the farmers to get out into their fields this year.
 
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