GUILTY MI - Chelsea Bruck, 22, Frenchtown Twp, 26 Oct 2014 #3

[FindHG]

I was a regular on this site during the Cayley Anthony search and then her mother's trial. Became so saddened with the result that I didn't return here. Now here I am again living in the immediate area of Chelsea's disappearance and in these 5 + months not once did I check out WS. I've, of course, followed all media here and FB. I've found ABC local Toledo TV 13 to follow Chelsea's story also and get that here, along with all the Detroit stations, also Monroe News online. I'm glad I came here tonight and if I can assist with local info needed, please let me know. I moved here with DH 7 years ago, first to Flat Rock for two years, and then the last 5 years here in Frenchtown Tnsp, Newport address. I visited the first tent/search site set up on the party site within a few days of Chelsea's disappearance and met her lovely Mom, Dad and sisters. I've since done a few things to be involved and am continually amazed by the strength, determination and faith of her family. My heart goes out each day to them and my prayers to Heaven to find her.

Neat! Thank you very much for joining and welcome back. As rosesfromangels says, your local take on the lay of the land is so very appreciated.

:welcome:

 

[Ibiz]

Perhaps I am mistaken, and welcome additional input.

Something I wonder too, did it look like cars could be driven back there or would one have to gain access by foot?

This person or persons would have had to carry Chelsea back to the car if she lost her life in that graffiti building, so I'm thinking it couldn't have been someone too slight in body weight/stature.

After looking at pics of the building more closely, there seems to be a lot of stuff on the floor. Im having doubts as to whether they were ever inside the building. As far as I can see through news photos there seems to be a paved road (Peters) leading to the building area, and a little dirt path road going around.

Chelsea's costume from what I have gathered was found in a field near the building. I don't know what if anything was found in the building.

I'm wondering if Chelsea was brought to this location in the subject(s) vehicle, and maybe a confrontation took place inside the vehicle .

Maybe she then fled from inside the vehicle out into the field where she may have been chased and attack .

 

[holmesleuthing]

Maybe this has already been answered, but is this a place that most likely only locals know about? It would be interesting to see what RSO's reside in the area if that is the case.

 

[Spellbound]

Maybe this has already been answered, but is this a place that most likely only locals know about? It would be interesting to see what RSO's reside in the area if that is the case.

http://www.icrimewatch.net/results....&OfndrLast=&OfndrFirst=&OfndrCity=Flat Rock&A

There appears to be one RSO in the immediate area.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I stayed up to watch headlines on the 11:00 news before heading fftobed: I thought I'd fall asleep right away but started thinking about Chelsea's costume. There were posts on FB (PAP site?) from Chelsea about how much time and effort she put into her Poison Ivy costume. Big Mike's Halloween bash was several days before the actual date of Halloween, so it's entirely possible that Chelsea might have planned to wear the costume again. She had a change of clothes in the trunk of the friend's car with whom she rode to the party. IIRC, the clothing was returned to her family along with her cell phone. I don't think Chelsea would have taken her costume off and left it behind. This doesn't leave many possibilities other than someone else removed Chelsea's costume or it came off during a struggle I shudder to think what might have happened to this lovely young woman in the wee hours following the outdoor concert at Big Mike's farmhouse :scared:

 

[monster12]

I have lived in this area all my life. I am about 2 miles from the building and have family in Newport/Monroe on Lake Erie. The areas are both, in my opinion, pretty remote and you wouldn't just stumble upon them. The other day I drove down Peters Rd to see for myself the area (Nobody was there searching nor was I in the way of any investigations). I turned down Peters from Vreeland Rd and it is a "dirt" road but was pretty compacted and it was smooth, so it almost felt paved. I live on a dirt road so I know that sometimes it can feel paved but it really is not. I say this because I think someone mentioned above they believed the road was paved. There were a lot of potholes and garbage every where on the side of the road, including mattresses, clothing, food wrappers, plastic buckets, etc. It was a very odd assortment of things that caught my eye. The trailer park is on the left side as I traveled north/northeast on Peters almost the whole way. I felt like the road never ended and finally it curved to the left and straight ahead I could see where it turned to pavement and Van Horn Rd. I was confused as to where this building was and then suddenly the trees cleared a bit and the buildings appeared. I did not see an actual road that led to them, but it could have been before I saw the buildings so I didn't notice it. Right beyond the edge of the road was a mound of dirt/brush that one would have to walk up and over to get to the building. I definitely got the chills and the only thing I kept thinking was how creepy and weird it felt. It felt like it suddenly got very quite and still and all I could hear was animals and birds. It felt so out of place to see a building like this. There was graffiti all over it and it seemed like the area surrounding it was full of grass, brush, garbage, broken fence and dirt. It didn't seem like a very clear area to navigate around.

Someone also mentioned a trail/road to drive on and I did not see that. However, there was a car in front of me checking it out also and one behind me, so I didn't want to slow down/stop. Being from the area and I have never found a reason to travel down this road before. I even had family that lived in the trailer park a long time ago and we never took this route or even knew where this road led too. I believe that anyone who would come down to this/head to this field definitely knew the area and where they were going. Like I said before, to head from Newport/Monroe and end up here does not happen accidentally. There isn't a major road that would lead you right to here.

One could take Telegraph Rd north from Monroe but then would have to know to turn down Vreeland or Van Horn to reach this area. You could also take 75 N or Old Fort Rd north (this is the route we take from visiting our family that lives near the party site), but then again, you would have to head west for a few miles to get near Peters Rd.

The last thing that caught my eye was after passing the buildings, the trees filled back in and then they were gone and it opened up to a small pond and field. I think it would be some sort of drainage or retention pond and I believe it was fenced in. I could see the whole thing so it wasn't that large but it was maybe around the size of half a football field? Unfortunately, the thought immediately came into my mind that if those items really did belong to Chelsea, the pond could be an area of interest...I would hope that was part of their search the other day but I am not sure. The rest of the side of the road was opened up to field, utility poles, and then Van Horn road.

Leads me to believe that there is an awfully odd connection between the man with the false reports from Flat Rock and then discovering this site. Did he maybe know someone else that was involved? Was he trying to make a report to cover up for a friend? Did someone plant this stuff here just to move the search focus to a different area? I guess since we don't really know what else was found it is hard to say. So many unknowns..

 

[rosesfromangels]

Monster 12,

Thank you so much, this is extremely helpful. My first thoughts....

*There were a lot of people at that party from outside town, coming to see other bands including PAP. However, I think we can safely speculate that the Perp is a local or went to the building with a local. It's too remote to just stumble upon. They wouldn't risk getting lost in the back woods

*The residents of the trailer park should all be interviewed, if not already. Any ex-cons living there?

*What do the locals say about this location? Any other known activities transpire in this area, even though they aren't supposed to? Is this a typical "initiation" location of some sort?

*Out of curiosity related to another case, is this area close to a prime hunting spot?

*What is the first main road leading away from this off the path building, and where does it go to?

 

[Spellbound]

monster12, thank you so much for the excellent post! Your first-hand observations and thoughts are a perfect description, in my opinion. I do hope you continue to come back and share.

Thinking out loud: Is it possible this could be an area that small game hunters might use? Would people from nearby homes be more likely to wander here, as opposed to "outsiders"? Does it seem likely that it could be frequented most by homeless or drug users?

 

[rosesfromangels]

monster12, thank you so much for the excellent post! Your first-hand observations and thoughts are a perfect description, in my opinion. I do hope you continue to come back and share.

Thinking out loud: Is it possible this could be an area that small game hunters might use? Would people from nearby homes be more likely to wander here, as opposed to "outsiders"? Does it seem likely that it could be frequented most by homeless or drug users?

Vulcan mind meld....

 

[Ibiz]

I have lived in this area all my life. I am about 2 miles from the building and have family in Newport/Monroe on Lake Erie. The areas are both, in my opinion, pretty remote and you wouldn't just stumble upon them. The other day I drove down Peters Rd to see for myself the area (Nobody was there searching nor was I in the way of any investigations). I turned down Peters from Vreeland Rd and it is a "dirt" road but was pretty compacted and it was smooth, so it almost felt paved. I live on a dirt road so I know that sometimes it can feel paved but it really is not. I say this because I think someone mentioned above they believed the road was paved. There were a lot of potholes and garbage every where on the side of the road, including mattresses, clothing, food wrappers, plastic buckets, etc. It was a very odd assortment of things that caught my eye. The trailer park is on the left side as I traveled north/northeast on Peters almost the whole way. I felt like the road never ended and finally it curved to the left and straight ahead I could see where it turned to pavement and Van Horn Rd. I was confused as to where this building was and then suddenly the trees cleared a bit and the buildings appeared. I did not see an actual road that led to them, but it could have been before I saw the buildings so I didn't notice it. Right beyond the edge of the road was a mound of dirt/brush that one would have to walk up and over to get to the building. I definitely got the chills and the only thing I kept thinking was how creepy and weird it felt. It felt like it suddenly got very quite and still and all I could hear was animals and birds. It felt so out of place to see a building like this. There was graffiti all over it and it seemed like the area surrounding it was full of grass, brush, garbage, broken fence and dirt. It didn't seem like a very clear area to navigate around.

Someone also mentioned a trail/road to drive on and I did not see that. However, there was a car in front of me checking it out also and one behind me, so I didn't want to slow down/stop. Being from the area and I have never found a reason to travel down this road before. I even had family that lived in the trailer park a long time ago and we never took this route or even knew where this road led too. I believe that anyone who would come down to this/head to this field definitely knew the area and where they were going. Like I said before, to head from Newport/Monroe and end up here does not happen accidentally. There isn't a major road that would lead you right to here.

One could take Telegraph Rd north from Monroe but then would have to know to turn down Vreeland or Van Horn to reach this area. You could also take 75 N or Old Fort Rd north (this is the route we take from visiting our family that lives near the party site), but then again, you would have to head west for a few miles to get near Peters Rd.

The last thing that caught my eye was after passing the buildings, the trees filled back in and then they were gone and it opened up to a small pond and field. I think it would be some sort of drainage or retention pond and I believe it was fenced in. I could see the whole thing so it wasn't that large but it was maybe around the size of half a football field? Unfortunately, the thought immediately came into my mind that if those items really did belong to Chelsea, the pond could be an area of interest...I would hope that was part of their search the other day but I am not sure. The rest of the side of the road was opened up to field, utility poles, and then Van Horn road.

Leads me to believe that there is an awfully odd connection between the man with the false reports from Flat Rock and then discovering this site. Did he maybe know someone else that was involved? Was he trying to make a report to cover up for a friend? Did someone plant this stuff here just to move the search focus to a different area? I guess since we don't really know what else was found it is hard to say. So many unknowns..

Monster, thank you very much. That was a very rich source of info. As far as the cars you saw at the scene, did it look like any type of investigation was taking place there? Did you see any crime tape or anything?

What led me to think there was a dirt road was this area view . Tell me if this looks like the right building to you.



If this is not right , can someone try to pull up a correct one?

 

[monster12]

From my experiences driving in that area and also looking at an aerial map, the field extends north quite a bit but backs up to several buildings that are on Van Horn. It runs into the train yard to the east, trailer park to the south, and north/northwest to Van Horn Rd. I believe there are office buildings and a UAW type building that it would eventually back up to if you were to be walking through it. I am not sure if it is all fenced off or how easy it is to be walking through there. From the aerial view, it looks swampy and open. I do not know much about that specific area since I didn't even know those buildings were there, but I do know the train yard is active, especially since I was caught by a train for about 20 minutes on my way there. Further down Vreeland Rd to the east is the Ford plant and a 75 overpass. Whenever I pass through the surrounding areas (not the field itself), it seems like a pretty active area with a lot of traffic, walkers, bikers, etc.

I also wanted to add that the trailer park has a pretty clear view of building/field. If a car was out there in the middle of the night/causing noise, you would think someone might hear or notice. But then again, if no windows were open and it was really late/early, maybe they went unnoticed. I don't really know of any areas nearby that stick out. Besides the train yard, there are houses, a high school, subdivisions, church, and Telegraph is a very busy main road nearby. Peters only connects to Van Horn and Vreeland Rd, which are both "main roads" so to speak. One could also easily turn into the trailer Park, Deerfield Estates, but it opens back up to Peters Rd and the main entrance is on Telegraph. Both Vreeland and Van Horn run east and west, with Telegraph to the west and Allen Rd, being the next main road so to speak, to the east. Neither roads connect directly to I-75 and you would have to take either Gibraltar Rd or West Rd to get to an entrance or exit ramp for the freeway. 275 is to the west of this spot, but again, no quick escapes. That is why this location is boggling my mind because it is not a direct route from anywhere in any direction. If you were coming from the party to the south/southeast, you would need to do a lot of navigating down side roads to get to this spot. There is a small side road, Hall Rd, that connects Gibraltar Rd to Van Horn. It has the train yard on the east side and a field to the west, with I think 2-3 small businesses. It is a straight road and always reminds me of an airport runway. You could also take back roads through Rockwood to get to 75 or Fort St down to Monroe.

I guess speculating the route took does not do us any good. It could also be that the perp had her belongings in his possession, but not her. They saw this as a place to dispose of them as being vacant and not traveled by people, legally at least, like a park or near the lakes. I really hope one day she can sit and tell us all what happened and all is well.

Pic 1: Shows overall area
Pic 2: Location in reference to 75 and main roads to travel
Pic 3: Open area across from building that I never noticed while driving
Pic 4: Overall field view showing wet areas/open field/trees

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[Ibiz]

Spellbound: From what got from Monster is that this would be place where people dump there garbage, and maybe a place where a rodent would hang out.

 

[monster12]

There was nothing at the scene. No tape, no people, no cars. The cars that were by me came off of Vreeland and drove up past the site and continued on to Van Horn. When they noticed the buildings, they slowed down and were looking, so I'd imagine they were doing the same as me. There is not much space on the road for stopping or pulling over. The road goes right into the field type area and some of it was shallow like a very small ditch or was filled with water and garbage.

Those are the buildings and I see the road now. Didn't notice it before. Now I want to drive back by and look again...
Sorry for the post below and pictures. The post was going crazy but regardless, I added some different views.

 

[monster12]

monster12, thank you so much for the excellent post! Your first-hand observations and thoughts are a perfect description, in my opinion. I do hope you continue to come back and share.

Thinking out loud: Is it possible this could be an area that small game hunters might use? Would people from nearby homes be more likely to wander here, as opposed to "outsiders"? Does it seem likely that it could be frequented most by homeless or drug users?

You're welcome! My friends and family find it odd that I am so interested in this case but I just can't stop thinking about it. Since the new site was closer to where I live, I had to look at what I could, especially since it was open and nobody was there investigating. I would never get out and walk through that area. It seriously gave me the creeps/chills as soon as the building came into my view. If it is fielded/wooded back behind the buildings, I could see it as being a small hunting area if allowed. I am not sure if that is considered private property or how fenced in it actually was. I was so focused on locating the buildings that I couldn't pay attention to much of the other details. Now I realize there is so much I could have noticed!

I think I have read that people frequently walk their pets up and down the road but I don't know about going into the area. I would make an assumption that it would be a location for homeless/drug users to use as a sort of hide out. I don't know anything about graffiti to know what any of the markings on the building could possibly mean. The small hill blocked some of the building but it seems like it would be a very easy place to hide out in and, with the amount of trash nearby, it seems to be an area that is not frequented by people looking to clean it up. I am curious what the inside of the buildings look like. I would assume once someone passed into the trees or over the small hill, they would quickly be out of view of people driving by/people outside. I'm not sure how busy that actual road gets especially since the only real reason to go down that street would be to access the other entrances of the trailer park or to use it as a cut across the Vreeland Rd to avoid Telegraph. Unfortunately, it immediately reminded me of an abandoned building I would drive by in Detroit so there is no telling what could go on inside.

 

[dmc43613]

Monster Thank you for your amazing description of the area. I almost felt I was there while reading it!

This solidifies my belief that it is someone local or that a local is involved, during or after the fact.

I still believe that this is a random (not serial) act. I hope that anyone living in Flat Rock has been cross referenced to the Halloween Bash invite list.

 

[monster12]

Does anyone remember in the early reports who she said she was going to the party with? I read somewhere that someone said she was going with her friends from Flat Rock? I thought I heard she was going with people from work? I assumed that someone just wanted to throw in the Flat Rock reference to tie back to this but I wasn't sure what the actual "report" was back in October.

 

[Ibiz]

Very good info monster. Here is an inside view of the building.

 

[Ibiz]

Wrong pic sorry.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Monster12 (I'm sure you're not!), do you have knowledge about the proximity of Target Steel to the site where items possibly belonging to Chelsea were found? The company likely has several dumpsters on their property. Is it close enough and easily accessed that someone could walk or drive to that location to dispose of evidence?

 

[holmesleuthing]

Hmmmmm it does make you wonder if the person from Flat Rock who got into trouble for lying to police knows what happened. Curious if they have been polygraphed.