MI MI - Danielle Stislicki, 28, Southfield, 2 Dec 2016 #12

[Ozoner]

One of the things with the SG story that doesn't neatly add up is: how is it she was somehow convinced to go to his house after she had texted her friend that she had managed to get off from work early that evening and would be going home, pack a bag and be on her way to her friend's house.

If DS went willingly 30 minutes out of her way, wouldn't she have texted her friend "sorry, I'm going to be a bit later than I originally thought. Had to give a coworker a ride to his house."
Or did she have the opportunity to do that? If she willingly went inside the house, that was another delay.

I don't know but I can't totally rule out that she was grabbed at her apartment.

I doubt Dani knew where the security guard lived; he probably told her that he lived 10 minutes away. Mapquest says the trip is 6.3 miles/10 minutes, so it would be a 10-minute trip during times of light traffic. Maybe Dani convinced herself that she could give the security guard a ride and be back at her apartment by 5:30, which might mean only arriving at her friend's 10 or 15 minutes late, which wouldn't be late enough to warrant a call or text. Maybe she even decided that she could skip getting an overnight bag. (People have suggested that she would have needed to feed her cat, but most cat owners that I know leave out quite a bit of food at a time rather than feeding their cats on a schedule.)

I don't believe Dani intended to be at the security guard's house for more than a moment. If she entered the house of her own free will, she may have simply wanted to use the bathroom or refill a water bottle.

It seems the security guard had other plans.

 

[PrincessSparty]

Just out of curiosity.... if you guys were to guess, do you think she is alive? I feel like I just need to know your true thoughts on this. And if you do think she is alive, what are your reasons? Dead or alive I hope there is justice for Dani.

 

[Whiskers16]

Just out of curiosity.... if you guys were to guess, do you think she is alive? I feel like I just need to know your true thoughts on this. And if you do think she is alive, what are your reasons? Dead or alive I hope there is justice for Dani.

I don't think she is willingly gone (0%). She appeared to be a smart, kind, well-liked woman. I would expect a note, text, email to someone she's close to, and that she would take all necessities with her, including vehicle.

I believe Dani's kindness was taken advantage of somehow. I think it's most likely she is no longer with us (80%). This is based partly on the evidence reportedly removed from SG's house. Also partly based on LE stating Dani did not make it back to her complex. If someone had grabbed her from work or a stop on the way home, with the intention of holding her hostage or for trafficking I don't feel there is much reason to move her vehicle.

Last possibility I see is that she is held somewhere against her will (20%). I think my 80/20 split is probably overly optimistic and I don't have much explanation for it other than feeling that she deserves to live out the rest of her life happily.

 

[PrincessSparty]

I agree, tbh I was hoping someone could give me a strong stance on her being alive so I could be more hopeful too

 

[Ozoner]

I agree, tbh I was hoping someone could give me a strong stance on her being alive so I could be more hopeful too

It's possible that the security guard abducted her with the intention of keeping her hostage, but if he did that, then he must have stopped going back to her as soon as the police tipped him off that they were on to him. She couldn't have survived for very long after that. The only chance of her being alive is if he had an accomplice who took control of her.

 

[PrincessSparty]

Well I remember the articles saying that they didn't want to give out too much info due to the delicateness of the case, I was hoping maybe that meant she was alive and that they didn't want to scare the perp into killing her by giving too much information to the public? idk

 

[Whiskers16]

Well I remember the articles saying that they didn't want to give out too much info due to the delicateness of the case, I was hoping maybe that meant she was alive and that they didn't want to scare the perp into killing her by giving too much information to the public? idk

I've not been following this case as closely as others, remind me has there been any talk of FBI or any federal groups involved in this case? if not I think chances are slim that she's a trafficking victim or something. Still could be hostage somewhere nearby I suppose.

 

[Ozoner]

I've not been following this case as closely as others, remind me has there been any talk of FBI or any federal groups involved in this case? if not I think chances are slim that she's a trafficking victim or something. Still could be hostage somewhere nearby I suppose.

The Farmington Hills P.D has had the lead from the beginning because her Jeep was found at her apartment in Farmington Hills. Many other agencies have been listed as providing assistance on the case, but the thinking is that those other agencies are just assisting as needed. For instance, some agencies have expertise in terms of tracking phone pings, so they'd help out with that, etc.

 

[Owl4]

Keeping Dani and family in my daily prayers. I believe SG holds the key as to what happened to Dani. The truth will come to light.

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[msphilosopher]

I'M SO ANGRY AT WHO EVER HURT DANIELLE!!!!!

I go through waves with this case. Sadness, anger, hopeful, etc. ... Today, I'm just mad.

 

[JazzTune]

I'm not personally invested in any theory about where she was abducted, but I think that LE has some sort of evidence that she did not drive her car home. I can only speculate that it had to do with either footage of her car caught the next morning with someone else in the driver's seat, but not of sufficient quality to use as a definitive identification, or that the seat was in a position that would have been unlikely given her height.

These are really good points, but I just want to point out that not everyone leaves their seat in the same position as the one in which they drive.

I am very petite and I need the seat to be close to reach the pedals. However, before I get out of my car, I always extend the seat much further back. I have done this for years because it makes it much easier to exit.

As a rule, I usually have my purse on the passenger seat as well as my lunch bag, and at times, a bag with items for the gym, or a friend's house.

It's easier to extend the seat back rather than trying to sling any of those items over the steering wheel with the seat position still close up. (I know I could just go around to the passenger side to get them out, but for me, this is quicker.)

I don't think many people do this though. Even my mother commented on how unusual it was. Which brings up the fact that if Dani did extend her seat back whenever she got out of her car, her family was probably well aware of that fact, just like my mother was of me. So, LE would be aware of it then as well.

It's still a very good observation on your part because it would be the rule, rather than the exception for most people.

I've not posted here on Dani's thread before but I've followed her case from the beginning, and check in frequently. (Long term WS lurker.) So sad for their entire family! Can't imagine how they are getting through this. Hoping for answers soon!

Bless all of you for sharing your skills and time to try to find Danielle and bring her back to her family...

 

[Ozoner]

These are really good points, but I just want to point out that not everyone leaves their seat in the same position as the one in which they drive.

I am very petite and I need the seat to be close to reach the pedals. However, before I get out of my car, I always extend the seat much further back. I have done this for years because it makes it much easier to exit.

As a rule, I usually have my purse on the passenger seat as well as my lunch bag, and at times, a bag with items for the gym, or a friend's house.

It's easier to extend the seat back rather than trying to sling any of those items over the steering wheel with the seat position still close up. (I know I could just go around to the passenger side to get them out, but for me, this is quicker.)

I don't think many people do this though. Even my mother commented on how unusual it was. Which brings up the fact that if Dani did extend her seat back whenever she got out of her car, her family was probably well aware of that fact, just like my mother was of me. So, LE would be aware of it then as well.

It's still a very good observation on your part because it would be the rule, rather than the exception for most people.

Your moving the seat back is probably related to your being petite. Dani was 5'5" (at least according to her missing person notices), so she would have been unlikely to do that.

I don't think the seat is the primary reason why LE doesn't believe Dani made it home. The number of searches that they conducted at the security guard's house in Berkley suggests that they believe that house was the crime scene. There was also no sign that Dani made it inside her apartment.

Reading between the lines, it appears that LE believes Dani was murdered or taken captive by the security guard very soon after leaving work for the day.

The security guard probably lured Danielle to his house by asking her for a ride--her father suggested early on that Danielle's helpfulness is what put her in the position of being a missing person--but it's possible that the security guard forced her to give him a ride (possibly at gunpoint).

 

[JazzTune]

Your moving the seat back is probably related to your being petite. Dani was 5'5" (at least according to her missing person notices), so she would have been unlikely to do that.

I don't think the seat is the primary reason why LE doesn't believe Dani made it home. The number of searches that they conducted at the security guard's house in Berkley suggests that they believe that house was the crime scene. There was also no sign that Dani made it inside her apartment.

Reading between the lines, it appears that LE believes Dani was murdered or taken captive by the security guard very soon after leaving work for the day.

The security guard probably lured Danielle to his house by asking her for a ride--her father suggested early on that Danielle's helpfulness is what put her in the position of being a missing person--but it's possible that the security guard forced her to give him a ride (possibly at gunpoint).

Oh, I agree with you completely. I don't think the seat position is a key finding one way or the other, in the fact that Danielle is missing. I'm sorry if that was implied in any way. I didn't intend to come across like that at all.

You're right too about the fact that Danielle was much taller than me. (I'm barely 5 feet,) so being taller she wouldn't need to be adjusting her seat position the way I do. That's certainly a valid point.

I really was only trying to show that the seat position is not always an indication of whether the driver was a certain height or not. I didn't mean to muddy the waters, or imply something that does not apply in this case at all. My sincerest apologies if my comment detracted from the main purpose of this thread, which is only to find Dani...

 

[JazzTune]

Oh, I agree with you completely. I don't think the seat position is a key finding one way or the other, in the fact that Danielle is missing. I'm sorry if that was implied in any way. I didn't intend to come across like that at all.

You're right too about the fact that Danielle was much taller than me. (I'm barely 5 feet,) so being taller she wouldn't need to be adjusting her seat position the way I do. That's certainly a valid point.

I really was only trying to show that the seat position is not always an indication of whether the driver was a certain height or not. I didn't mean to muddy the waters, or imply something that does not apply in this case at all. My sincerest apologies if my comment detracted from the main purpose of this thread, which is only to find Dani...

Sorry to be quoting myself, but want to apologize again if the above sounds the least bit snarky. Absolutely none was intended. I'm fairly new at posting and still trying to figure out how to navigate the boards.

Just want to say too, I'm so in awe of the energy and commitment shown here by everyone to find Dani. Praying for answers soon!

 

[Razz]

Sorry to be quoting myself, but want to apologize again if the above sounds the least bit snarky. Absolutely none was intended. I'm fairly new at posting and still trying to figure out how to navigate the boards.

Just want to say too, I'm so in awe of the energy and commitment shown here by everyone to find Dani. Praying for answers soon!

No apologies necessary. You didn't sound snarky.

I was doing some research on hair strands and couldn't find anything definitive but I seem to recall from the Casey Anthony trial that forensics can tell if a hair strand
is from a deceased person.

If hair strands from Dani were found
in SG's house or car, it may show she was deceased at the time. Perhaps not enough for an arrest, but.....another indication why they're so focused on him.

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[smallfry345]

I have a question about what happens when a person dies, if anyone knows. It's my understanding that the body releases fluids upon passing (bowels release, I assume the bladder empties). Does this happen immediately upon passing away?

My reason for asking is, if the crime was committed at the house on Oxford and it resulted in her passing away there, would have these fluids been present?

I'm trying to word this as delicately as possible. There are a number of ways a person could pass away - accidentally or purposefully. Some would obviously be... messier than others. I'm just curious what covering his tracks could have possibly entailed if something very unfortunate happened in that house.

(I realize I could google the answer to this, but this feels like a search I don't necessarily want on my work computer!)

Also, does anyone know if any dogs were used in the searches?

 

[smallfry345]

No apologies necessary. You didn't sound snarky.

I was doing some research on hair strands and couldn't find anything definitive but I seem to recall from the Casey Anthony trial that forensics can tell if a hair strand
is from a deceased person.

If hair strands from Dani were found
in SG's house or car, it may show she was deceased at the time. Perhaps not enough for an arrest, but.....another indication why they're so focused on him.

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This is really interesting and intriguing to me. I can't imagine your hair changes immediately upon death, does it? No matter what, if the SG is the perp (and I'm pretty sure we're all on the same page there), there is no question that he had to act quickly. I wonder how much time has to pass before some of these changes occur - scents left behind, changes in any DNA left behind, etc.

 

[Ozoner]

This is really interesting and intriguing to me. I can't imagine your hair changes immediately upon death, does it? No matter what, if the SG is the perp (and I'm pretty sure we're all on the same page there), there is no question that he had to act quickly. I wonder how much time has to pass before some of these changes occur - scents left behind, changes in any DNA left behind, etc.

I know that bodies release certain chemicals quickly. if you're not familiar with the Kristin Smart case, cadaver dogs searched the entire college campus from where she disappeared and "alerted" on one place: the corner of the mattress belonging to the male POI with whom she was last seen. He was never charged because the alerting of the cadaver dog wasn't considered admissible.

 

[Skigirl]

This is really interesting and intriguing to me. I can't imagine your hair changes immediately upon death, does it? No matter what, if the SG is the perp (and I'm pretty sure we're all on the same page there), there is no question that he had to act quickly. I wonder how much time has to pass before some of these changes occur - scents left behind, changes in any DNA left behind, etc.

Hair doesn't undergo changes at death. Hair is essentially dead. It does degrade over time like any other fiber, but those are changes that take place on a different timescale than changes you see organs and tissue after death.


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[NJcares]

Thought: We know that DS left MetLife about 5, her phone went to voicemail by 7, and SG reportedly went to see his wife in the hospital that night and ping pong the next morning. So...not a lot of time to get very far away, IMHO.


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