MI - Nevaeh Buchanan, 5, Monroe, 24 May 2009 - Body found - #6

[Kat]

WillenFan just posted the info that Nevaeh's mom will be on NG tonight? OMG. nancy is going to 'slap' her for her SO boyfriend. Good she has courage to appear on the show though.
Remember that Ducket 'fiasco'?

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

...The mom of Nevaeh Buchanan in a primetime live exclusive after the 5-year-old girl's body is found encased in cement by the banks of a Michigan river. Nancy Grace has the latest breaking developments...

:doh: Oh my. Hasn't JB seen or heard about the coverage so far about this case? Egads, this might get very nasty and ugly.

Of course I will be watching

 

[MIMOMMY]

Grandma DEFINETLY had a choice - Tell mom to figure it out on her own? This isnt a flop house? You did the crime - now fix it -- Tough love? I love my children with my entire soul - but, you end up in jail or worse - YOU fix the mistake YOU made - NOT me! My grandchildren will never be without- but if my children as adults chose to make crap decisions......

Also --- as far as supporting the three of them - I do believe that those MAY be income based housing - and she could have received assistance for daycare thru the state - most definetly if she was under kinship care (we did this for our neice)

 

[Chilly Willy]

Grandma DEFINETLY had a choice - Tell mom to figure it out on her own? This isnt a flop house? You did the crime - now fix it -- Tough love? I love my children with my entire soul - but, you end up in jail or worse - YOU fix the mistake YOU made - NOT me!

Also --- as far as supporting the three of them - I do believe that those MAY be income based housing - and she could have received assistance for daycare thru the state - most definetly if she was under kinship care (we did this for our neice)

Tough love for what? JB did the crime and did her time, what was she supposed to fix? Should Grandma have thrown JB out into the streets? Why? What do we know of that JB had done once she was released from jail to deserve that? Would being tossed out on her can help JB, who is after all, Grandma's daughter, to stay out of trouble? I think Grandma was between a rock and a hard place and, considering her lack of options and education, was doing the best she knew how.

 

[nursebeeme]

woooooooa... JB is going on NANCY tonight??? What the *****!

 

[dairydog]

Since I started following this case I've been growing increasingly appalled at attacks on Nevaeh's mom. Are we blaming the relatives of victims, who are also victims themselves? I'd just like to say that as far as I know the mother has never been listed by LE as a person of interest, and that so far there's not one suggestion of eveidence she had anything to do with the crime. Yet I've heard her called a meth addict, crackhead, bad mother, a child molester...with seemingly no reason. And I would add, most of this name calling and attacks seem to be coming from other women (who you would think would be her biggest supporters).
I saw a rare tv interview with her today (where her face was not shown in keeping with MI's policy to victims), where she appeared a young, overweight, poor, unsophisticated, gentle person, completely out of her element. I've never seen a fat 'meth addict', and she didn't seem a criminal type of any sort. What happened to supportering victims families?
I think everyone should lighten up on her, until we know different...she's a victim too.

Perhaps Jackweb should read about this mother's (JB) background. She recently served 11 months for a home invasion. That's an interesting definition of being a 'gentle person'. She also did not have custody of Nevaeh!

 

[MissJames]

Since I started following this case I've been growing increasingly appalled at attacks on Nevaeh's mom. Are we blaming the relatives of victims, who are also victims themselves? I'd just like to say that as far as I know the mother has never been listed by LE as a person of interest, and that so far there's not one suggestion of eveidence she had anything to do with the crime. Yet I've heard her called a meth addict, crackhead, bad mother, a child molester...with seemingly no reason. And I would add, most of this name calling and attacks seem to be coming from other women (who you would think would be her biggest supporters).
I saw a rare tv interview with her today (where her face was not shown in keeping with MI's policy to victims), where she appeared a young, overweight, poor, unsophisticated, gentle person, completely out of her element. I've never seen a fat 'meth addict', and she didn't seem a criminal type of any sort. What happened to supportering victims families?
I think everyone should lighten up on her, until we know different...she's a victim too.

I would compare this to a parent who does not use a car seat or safety belt for their child.They are in an accident for which the parent may or may not be responsible for.The child ends up thrown from the car and is critically injured.After suffering hours of poking and prodding in the hospital the child dies.Investigators determine that if the child had been buckled in she most likely would not have recieved ANY injuries.
Is the parent the victim? The parent was negligent and that led to the childs death.
JB knowingly exposed her child to dangerous people.She did not watch out for a 5 year old child....just let her go.She just let her go ..........

 

[MIMOMMY]

I guess Chilly - I look at it like this - she obviously had issues that caused her to break into a building - and a child to raise - she chose whatever the issue was over her child. (Please understand I am the product of a mother with very serious "issues" who always chose the "issue" over being a mother) Your right she did go to jail -- and when she got out - she decided to bring RSO around the child that grandma had been raising while she "paid for her crime" how many strikes do you get as a mother - you had an addiction - you committed a crime - I raised your child for you while you did that - and now you bring other criminals around that you met at a parole office and that should just be ok too?? I would think at that point Naveah would have come before the daughter - as Naveah is a child and J is an adult who SHOULD know the difference between right and wrong.........

 

[KR2tonenow]

Apparently the pointing fingers has JB nervous. It should be a great show!

 

[impatientredhead]

Tough love for what? JB did the crime and did her time, what was she supposed to fix? Should Grandma have thrown JB out into the streets? Why? What do we know of that JB had done once she was released from jail to deserve that? Would being tossed out on her can help JB, who is after all, Grandma's daughter, to stay out of trouble? I think Grandma was between a rock and a hard place and, considering her lack of options and education, was doing the best she knew how.

I am guessing that Grandma didn't chuck her out the door for her choice of friends because it would have broken Neveah's heart to have her mother taken away from her again. In hindsight I am sure Grandma would have taken the brokenheart but she seems like she was doing the best she could and was raising a healthy and apparantly happy grandchild. She made a bad call, she doesn't have a list of bad calls that go on and on and on. I hope anyone in a similar situation sees this case and finds clarity on what they need to do.

 

[scandi]

http://www.detnews.com/article/2009...g-in-Nevaeh-case-could-take-days--family-told

Monday, June 8, 2009


Testing in Nevaeh case could take days, family told

I think that answers our questions about why the COD, and time of death have not been released as of yet. They won't release any information until a positive ID has been made. I'm concerned that the state of decomp might have been advanced and it might hinder some testing. JMHO

Hi Kat, I know the ME can always get DNA from the thigh bone or sternum It must be they haven't received a good sample of her DNA from before death. Can't they use the mother's DNA for a match?

With that long brown hair you would think there would be some in a hairbrush, right?

 

[impatientredhead]

Hi Kat, I know the ME can always get DNA from the thigh bone or sternum It must be they haven't received a good sample of her DNA from before death. Can't they use the mother's DNA for a match?

With that long brown hair you would think there would be some in a hairbrush, right?

I think they have everything they need, they are just waiting on the formal results a. for the prosecution and b. because they do not want to show their hand before they have to the people being questioned.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I guess Chilly - I look at it like this - she obviously had issues that caused her to break into a building - and a child to raise - she chose whatever the issue was over her child. (Please understand I am the product of a mother with very serious "issues" who always chose the "issue" over being a mother) Your right she did go to jail -- and when she got out - she decided to bring RSO around the child that grandma had been raising while she "paid for her crime" how many strikes do you get as a mother - you had an addiction - you committed a crime - I raised your child for you while you did that - and now you bring other criminals around that you met at a parole office and that should just be ok too?? I would think at that point Naveah would have come before the daughter - as Naveah is a child and J is an adult who SHOULD know the difference between right and wrong.........

I can't disagree with that. Grandma and Uncle both knew that JB was exposing Nevaeh to SO's and they'd had words with JB over it, but apparently the courts knew too and they didn't step in. If my child got mixed up in drugs and committed crimes to support their habit but then did their time, I would support them to the best of my ability when they got out because they'd deserve their shot at a second chance. There's no indication that NB has committed any crimes since she was released.

This is not a typical middle class family. They are all undereducated, not overly intelligent, and they've been raised in a different lifestyle than what most of us are familiar with. If Grandma made some poor choices, I can't fault her for it. She's suffering greatly for her bad choices, we don't need to shove her mistakes down her throat.

 

[Kat]

Hi Kat, I know the ME can always get DNA from the thigh bone or sternum It must be they haven't received a good sample of her DNA from before death. Can't they use the mother's DNA for a match?

With that long brown hair you would think there would be some in a hairbrush, right?

I'm sorry I should have clarified my thoughts about the possibility of testing being compromised due to advanced decomposition. I meant to say testing for foreign DNA on/in Nevaeh.

Yes of course you are correct in that they have enough material available to them to extract and compare to bio mom and bio dad.

 

[MissJames]

I'm not sure Grandma had a lot of choices. She, apparently, was the sole provider for the three of them, and worked for close to minimum wage at a local grocery store. What was she supposed to do, not go to work? It's easy to judge someone when we're not in their shoes.

You are assuming grandma had no other choices.She obviously had another choice when mom was in jail.There are parents who lose their kids because they lock them in a car or leave them home alone while at work .They also claim they have no other choices.
It's a tough world for single parents,including single grandparents ,but to knowingly leave the child you are responsible for with someone with a history like JB makes you negligent IMO.
I will admit my judgement of grandma is colored by my experiences with families like this as a foster parent. Usually the child ends up in foster care,not dead.

 

[MIMOMMY]

I agree we shouldnt shove her bad choices down her throat - my beginning issue was with JB. And I will tell you that a good "chunk" of the residence living in that area (note I did not say ALL) are very much the same type of people - who have lived the same life for generations...... *we live about 45 minutes from there* So I guess you could even call JB a "product of her enviroment" Which by the way makes me question where JB's father is?

 

[Melanie]

WillenFan just posted the info that Nevaeh's mom will be on NG tonight? OMG. nancy is going to 'slap' her for her SO boyfriend. Good she has courage to appear on the show though.
Remember that Ducket 'fiasco'?

Yes, and I hope Nancy does too! No reason to bash the bio-mom - just ask the right questions in a calm voice. I swear if I hear her screaming and not letting her finish a sentence, I'll scream.

Cuz we all know, if JB is terrorized, all she'll do is hang up or walk away (not knowing how she's going to appear).

Best,

Mel

 

[MIMOMMY]

MissJames -- I agree 199% - Like I said I was a product of a "abusive" mother - and then was a teen single mother myself - and then even later - a foster mother --- So Ive lived the childhood - Ive lived the starting out and the need to pick the "right" path as a young single troubled mom- and Ive been the mom that tries to love the child who's mother didnt pick the right path -----

 

[SuziQ]

Since I started following this case I've been growing increasingly appalled at attacks on Nevaeh's mom. Are we blaming the relatives of victims, who are also victims themselves? I'd just like to say that as far as I know the mother has never been listed by LE as a person of interest, and that so far there's not one suggestion of eveidence she had anything to do with the crime. Yet I've heard her called a meth addict, crackhead, bad mother, a child molester...with seemingly no reason. And I would add, most of this name calling and attacks seem to be coming from other women (who you would think would be her biggest supporters).
I saw a rare tv interview with her today (where her face was not shown in keeping with MI's policy to victims), where she appeared a young, overweight, poor, unsophisticated, gentle person, completely out of her element. I've never seen a fat 'meth addict', and she didn't seem a criminal type of any sort. What happened to supportering victims families?
I think everyone should lighten up on her, until we know different...she's a victim too.

Regarding what I bolded. You are incorrect. LE has refused to comment on whether Nevaeh's mother is a person of interest or not. In fact, LE brings her in for questioning about every other day or so. And an FBI profiler questioned her for five hours, IIRC. Obviously LE does consider her a person of interest. We aren't going anywhere LE isn't at this point. She has not been cleared by LE.

Family members are often the perp. Mother's kill their children almost daily. It's a bit hard to give them complete support when you don't know if they are the perp or in some way responsible, even indirectly. IMO, a victim stops being the victim when the moment they commit the crime.

The only true victim I see at this point is Nevaeh. She's the only one I support and stand behind at the moment.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Yes, and I hope Nancy does too! No reason to bash the bio-mom - just ask the right questions in a calm voice. I swear if I hear her screaming and not letting her finish a sentence, I'll scream.

Cuz we all know, if JB is terrorized, all she'll do is hang up or walk away (not knowing how she's going to appear).

Best,

Mel

LOL @ 'Nancy Grace' and 'calm voice' in the same sentence.

 

[Kat]

LOL @ 'Nancy Grace' and 'calm voice' in the same sentence.

:floorlaugh: no doubt...no doubt