MI - Nevaeh Buchanan, 5, Monroe, 24 May 2009 - Body found - #6

[Melanie]

:floorlaugh: no doubt...no doubt

Oh I can hear her now:

woah, woah, woah - waiiiiiittttt a minute here.......

Of course said person is always mid=sentence.

That's my Nancy pet peeve for the day

Mel

 

[elle1919]

I am like huh, hasn't JB been keeping up with Nancy? I can believe maybe she hasn't, being that her child is missing and the last thing she might think of is following the case on Nancy Grace....however....I hope someone informs her of Nancy's style and opinions on the whole dating the SO thing. I also hope Nancy can keep her calm long enough to get some useful info out of JB. The time to point fingers and be opinionated about the kind of mother this woman is can come AFTER an arrest is made for the PI* responsible. IMO

 

[impatientredhead]

Oh I can hear her now:

woah, woah, woah - waiiiiiittttt a minute here.......

Of course said person is always mid=sentence.

That's my Nancy pet peeve for the day

Mel

I think we have a really good shot at JB changing her mind before this interview happens. She really needs to stop, she is not going to turn public opinion at this point (and she should be to grief stricken to care what the public's opinion of her is), it is too late to bring Neveah home, and she has not been charged with anything thus far. There is nothing to gain from talking, nothing.

 

[jackweb]

Perhaps Jackweb should read about this mother's (JB) background. She recently served 11 months for a home invasion. That's an interesting definition of being a 'gentle person'. She also did not have custody of Nevaeh!

Dairydog...I though I read up on the case pretty well, current news media, tv, internet...and thought, as I said, the mother hasn't given many interviews etc....Where can I find this info: re the mother criminal reocrd for 'home invasion' and other, and that she was NOT the custodial parent? I did not see this in my sources..daily papers, tv, internet.
P.S. If she was not, who IS the custodial parent, and how come media doesn't mention the custodian more?

 

[amysmom]

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TY! very much Bee

 

[jackweb]

Regarding what I bolded. You are incorrect. LE has refused to comment on whether Nevaeh's mother is a person of interest or not. In fact, LE brings her in for questioning about every other day or so. And an FBI profiler questioned her for five hours, IIRC. Obviously LE does consider her a person of interest. We aren't going anywhere LE isn't at this point. She has not been cleared by LE.

Family members are often the perp. Mother's kill their children almost daily. It's a bit hard to give them complete support when you don't know if they are the perp or in some way responsible, even indirectly. IMO, a victim stops being the victim when the moment they commit the crime.

The only true victim I see at this point is Nevaeh. She's the only one I support and stand behind at the moment.

SuziQ....Of course LE has to consider relatives, as we all know they 'are' often the perps, but they are just as often 'not'. Look at the Elizabeth Smart case in Utah..where the family was suspected but innocent. I don't think 'mothers kill their children every day' the media makes it look like this for ratings and profit. I think if you look at the official crime statistics you'll see women are very very rarely murderers, and only a tiny minority of mothers kill their children...like maybe 1 in 100,000, it's really rare.

 

[jnTexas]

Unfortunately I believe JB will not be charged with anything in this case unless she is directly invovled.
Just as all the other mothers who allow their children to be abused by a BF/Husband, and neglect their children.

Until people in this country wake up and quit seeing these mothers as victims just because they didn't physically kill their child we will see more and more of these cases.

This woman knowlingly let her 5yr old child be around a child sex offender.
She let her go out into the complex by herself barefoot. She's 5 for god sake!
Please tell me others see this as child neglect. Which is against the law. This woman should not get a free pass just because the child died. She is an adult she knows right from wrong. She was in custody of this child at the time of disappearance. She is responsible for the well being of this child. If this were not her child and she was babysitting you can bet she would be charged with child neglect and the parents would be all over the news wanting this woman locked up.

This next statement will probably tick alot of people off, but I'm saying it anyhow....
Everyone in this family let this child down. They did not protect her. They knew this guy was a RSO, and did nothing including the uncle. He knew the danger of Nevaeh being around this guy. Yet he let his emotions for his mother and sister get in the way of protecting her.

IMO I do not believe this was a happy child she has the eyes and the forced smile of a neglected, and possibly abused child. I do believe when they release autopsy we will see that Nevaeh was sexually abused in the past. I just get this feeling seeing her pics.

I do feel for this family as they have suffered the loss no family should suffer. That being said this child deserves justice, and that includes the woman who wasn't watching her.

Full and complete justice for Nevaeh and all the children like her.

I do not mean to offend anyone this is my opinion.

 

[DotsEyes]

The bottom line: if mommy had been watching her Nevaeh would be alive.

Staying inside the apartment with the windows open doesn't cut it. She obviously had no idea Neveah was even out in the parking lot on her scooter, so the open window concept of supervision did not work.

Even a mother rat maintains constant supervision of their babies when out of the nest. But then mother rats don't have cable.

 

[Kat]

Dairydog...I though I read up on the case pretty well, current news media, tv, internet...and thought, as I said, the mother hasn't given many interviews etc....Where can I find this info: re the mother criminal reocrd for 'home invasion' and other, and that she was NOT the custodial parent? I did not see this in my sources..daily papers, tv, internet.
P.S. If she was not, who IS the custodial parent, and how come media doesn't mention the custodian more?

2 1/2 -hour interview with J. Buchanan:
http://www.freep.com/article/20090607/NEWS05/906070501
June 7, 2009


Arrest record:
http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=305099
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 2:03 p.m.
"Jennifer Buchanan has a conviction of First Degree Home Invasion on the Michigan Department of Corrections website dating back to 2006."

Michigan Department of Corrections entry:
http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2profile.asp?mdocNumber=627126
J. O. Buchanan
Date of Offense: 08/17/2006
Date of Sentence: 12/07/2006
Conviction Type: Plea Discharge Date: 01/26/2009


Reference to custody of Nevaeh:
http://www.freep.com/article/200905...pist+jailed+in+connection+with+missing+Nevaeh
May 29, 2009
Sherry Buchanan, Jennifer's mother, took custody of Nevaeh while Jennifer spent 11 months in jail.


Would someone be so kind as to start a Facts only thread and also a Q&A thread? Many thanks to whoever is up to the challange, I have to get off here soon

 

[impatientredhead]

SuziQ....Of course LE has to consider relatives, as we all know they 'are' often the perps, but they are just as often 'not'. Look at the Elizabeth Smart case in Utah..where the family was suspected but innocent. I don't think 'mothers kill their children every day' the media makes it look like this for ratings and profit. I think if you look at the official crime statistics you'll see women are very very rarely murderers, and only a tiny minority of mothers kill their children...like maybe 1 in 100,000, it's really rare.

73.2 million kids in the US at last census, 1 in 100= 732 or approximately 2 per day.

If you look at the statistics and see who the killer of most of the murdered/assaulted children you will find that the Elizabeth Smart case is the very very very rare case, not the reverse.

 

[kiki the parrot]

There are millions of single, uneducated, disadvantaged mothers w all manner of histories from every background imaginable who do their job and take their role as a parent seriously everyday. I must agree w red who pointed out that accountability is crucial and that to go on denying the very real link between quality of parenting and the proportionate level of risks this poses to children is simply to ensure these patterns continue. It isn't about rubbing someone's nose in their mistakes, it is about accepting the responsibility for any child--and raising up a standard, becoming a voice for defenseless children against child neglect and endangerment thus learning from these tragedies in order hopefully to prevent future crimes against children.

As is the case w eg's given (children left in cars, no car seats etc), there is more than one level of culpability. And it is ALL about choices. Even GM in this case made the CHOICE, in light of her daughter's own parenting unfitness, to accept guardianship thus assuming responsibility to protect and care for Nevaeh herself. No one forced GM to assume this role, and if she didn't feel she could do so if it meant denying her daughter housing; or do so w/out resorting to Nevaeh's mother as a caregiver; or do so while working it was her option to decline. But whomever assumed that role and assumed custody of Nevaeh was the sole person who had both a legal duty and moral obligation to put Nevaeh FIRST and keep Nevaeh SAFE. It isn't about judgmentalism or tossing anyone on their can, it's about protecting those who can not protect themselves, not jeopardizing the only chance at life or safety Nevaeh had; not exposing a child to known predators nor leaving her w any who themselves choose to associate w them. For all we know there could well have been a longstanding pattern of enablement by GM-- and had GM taken a stand or set firmer boundaries and healthier limits w JB, perhaps this little girl might've lived to one day know the joy of being truly valued by her mother; as Nevaeh's mother may have learned parenting is a PRIVILEGE and that parents are STEWARDS who are not given but ENTRUSTED w children. And that those who neglect to take their responsibility seriously or to sacrifice and prioritize accordingly may one day find themselves without those responsibilities--or that unequalled privilege. Life is full of choices, yet the hard truth is the fewer consequences we're given, the fewer choices we will be left w in the end.

arrot:

 

[Prof]

I had seen this interview quoted many times in different print sources, but today I found the original radio show with the call in from JB, if anyone is interested in hearing it. Sorry, If I am way behind in this forum.
JB Radio Interview

 

[SuziQ]

SuziQ....Of course LE has to consider relatives, as we all know they 'are' often the perps, but they are just as often 'not'. Look at the Elizabeth Smart case in Utah..where the family was suspected but innocent. I don't think 'mothers kill their children every day' the media makes it look like this for ratings and profit. I think if you look at the official crime statistics you'll see women are very very rarely murderers, and only a tiny minority of mothers kill their children...like maybe 1 in 100,000, it's really rare.

Doesn't change the fact that in cases like this one, parents are the most likely responsible. That was my point. Thank god that's rare when you compare this to the general population totals. In cases like this one, the kids that are missing and murdered, the parents are the most likely responsible. In fact most missing kid cases like this one were never abductions or missing but rather murders to begin with. They are initially classified as abducted or missing because their parents murdered them and hid the bodies. Below are the stats from the DOJ for children under five. I can't locate the totals at the moment for children over five, but the until the age of eleven, the numbers aren't much better.

http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm#kidsgender

Note: Parents includes stepparents.​

Of all children under age 5 murdered from 1976-2005 --

• 31% were killed by fathers
• 29% were killed by mothers
• 23% were killed by male acquaintances
• 7% were killed by other relatives
• 3% were killed by strangers

 

[scandi]

Snipped

This next statement will probably tick alot of people off, but I'm saying it anyhow....
Everyone in this family let this child down. They did not protect her. They knew this guy was a RSO, and did nothing including the uncle. He knew the danger of Nevaeh being around this guy. Yet he let his emotions for his mother and sister get in the way of protecting her.

IMO I do not believe this was a happy child she has the eyes and the forced smile of a neglected, and possibly abused child. I do believe when they release autopsy we will see that Nevaeh was sexually abused in the past. I just get this feeling seeing her pics.

I do feel for this family as they have suffered the loss no family should suffer. That being said this child deserves justice, and that includes the woman who wasn't watching her.

Full and complete justice for Nevaeh and all the children like her.

I do not mean to offend anyone this is my opinion.

Hi jnTexas, Don't forget the State let her down too. We read Child Services said they wanted her removed from the home, and I have read nothing that was done in that regard.

 

[jnTexas]

I agree we shouldnt shove her bad choices down her throat - my beginning issue was with JB. And I will tell you that a good "chunk" of the residence living in that area (note I did not say ALL) are very much the same type of people - who have lived the same life for generations...... *we live about 45 minutes from there* So I guess you could even call JB a "product of her enviroment" Which by the way makes me question where JB's father is?

Being a product of her enviroment in no way makes it ok to neglect her child.

 

[Scarlett]

Anyone know if LE is still processing the discovery scene? I'd like to get down there to take some pictures for us but do not want to - in any way - make it harder for LE.

I'm swamped @ work - so I didn't have time to read all the posts today...

They are done. I have been thinking about doing the same thing, but haven't been able to bring myself to do it.

 

[jnTexas]

Hi jnTexas, Don't forget the State let her down too. We read Child Services said they wanted her removed from the home, and I have read nothing that was done in that regard.

Thx Scandi! I forgot about the state issue also.

one other thing I forgot the BioDad everyone keeps stating how bad they feel for him. Just where the he!! was he? This was his child. He most likey had visitation. Seeing as he was ordered to pay child support. Even though he did not.
He also let her down.

No one had this child's best interest at heart.

 

[jnTexas]

Doesn't change the fact that in cases like this one, parents are the most likely responsible. That was my point. Thank god that's rare when you compare this to the general population totals. In cases like this one, the kids that are missing and murdered, the parents are the most likely responsible. In fact most missing kid cases like this one were never abductions or missing but rather murders to begin with. They are initially classified as abducted or missing because their parents murdered them and hid the bodies. Below are the stats from the DOJ for children under five. I can't locate the totals at the moment for children over five, but the until the age of eleven, the numbers aren't much better.

http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm#kidsgender

Note: Parents includes stepparents.​

Of all children under age 5 murdered from 1976-2005 --

• 31% were killed by fathers
• 29% were killed by mothers
• 23% were killed by male acquaintances
• 7% were killed by other relatives
• 3% were killed by strangers

Now that is depressing!

 

[scandi]

They are done. I have been thinking about doing the same thing, but haven't been able to bring myself to do it.

Thx Scandi! I forgot about the state issue also.

one other thing I forgot the BioDad everyone keeps stating how bad they feel for him. Just where the he!! was he? This was his child. He most likey had visitation. Seeing as he was ordered to pay child support. Even though he did not.
He also let her down.

No one had this child's best interest at heart.

Sadly jnTexas, that also makes me think of all the thousands of children in our country who are in the same situation.


I just heard Jane Valdez in a promo for tonight's show say even though they have two SO's in custody who knew the mother, LE believes the monster who did this to Navaeh is still out there. It was a real powerful statement with her delivery!

She also said this has the community held in turmoil, not knowing who this person is.

 

[eyes4crime]

Hi everyone!! I've been reading all the posts and can't say enough about all the links, information, and the batting around of ideas. Glad to be with all of you.