Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 13

[fran]

Fran,

Don't get me wrong, at some point JY boy meant to kill Michelle. This is a premeditated murder IMO but I don't think it was planned over a period of time before it happened.

Part of my reasoning comes from some other recent events and the very way JY has behaved since this murder. For instance the fellow in Wendell who called 911 blubbering like a baby after finding his wife on the floor dead with a message in her blood. The Tara Grant case with the idiot husband walking around telling stories and pretending his wife walked away of her own volition. These fellows definitely planned to eliminate their wives and to do it in ways they believed they would not be implicated.

Back to JY and my OPINION - he is hiding behind a lawyer and his family. He cannot face Michelle's family nor will he allow his child to see her maternal grandmother. This man is hiding in the hills from LE and the press. He has refused to cooperate by meeting with police - the obvious reason is he is guilty - the secondary reason is he can't act unless it involves falling down. He has no questions or seeks no help because he quite frankly knows exactly what happened.

If he was gutsy enough and thought he was smart enough to kill his wife in a manner he believed would point away from him - he would be like these other idiots running around trying to show he had nothing to do with it IMO. Do I think he wanted a wife - no - I think he was way over that. To me this comes down to one thing only - he wanted his daughter - and Michelle was about to walk away with that. I do think this started as a fight - I don't think there was any sneaking around in the dark and trying to strangle her. I think it was a fight and when Michelle confirmed to him that she had had all she was going to take - he lost it because he knew she absolutely meant it.

JMO

ETA - I for some reason don't see premeditation screaming from the items that you list - I do see plenty of signs toward guilt.

Ok, I gotcha'. You don't think it was planned from say.........a month or two before, but more like a few days before? or hours even? Unlike SP, who was obviously planning his deed for at least weeks in advance per his purchase of the 'boat' and 'I've lost my wife and this is the first Holidays without her.'

You could very well be right. But, I think he at least had it planned THAT night in advance of returning home. IMHO, THAT'S why he went back home, because she probably told him on the phone call she was fed up. The closer he got to home, the madder he got.

The fact that he hasn't talked to anyone, LE, her family, news agencies, etc., is because just like SP, the one thing he's apparently lacking is how to act human. He may have even seen this in the Peterson trial and KNOWS he's gotta stay out of the limelight as people will see right though him. After all, his ACT of falling to the ground when he learned the news from his step dad did not make good press IMHO, and he heard about it and KNEW he shoulda' taken an acting class or two before he did the deed. He found out he's not convincing to anyone, other than his own family.

JMHO
fran

PS....maybe not all that I had listed point to premeditation, but you must admit that the $1m in life insurance is sure an added incentive to have her dead than to go through a divorce.....fran

 

[raisincharlie]

Well....I'm leaning towards planned because of the hotel he stayed at. I'm finding it hard to believe that a salesman would travel such a short distance and call it a night. To me, he'd either drive the entire distance to the meeting for a fresh start in the morning, or he'd get up early on the Friday morning and drive there. I don't believe any salesman would get a "headstart" on such a short journey.

I'm not so sure either that Michelle sent him packing that nite either. If that happened then JY would know that Michelle would tell the GA friend and if Michelle was murdered that nite and he would know that wouldn't look good for him. But then again, we've heard he's a gambler so maybe he took the long shot.

Welcome Nrthgamom!

Jilly,

Are you assuming that the hotel was like a halfway stop? I'm not convinced it was. There is much we don't know - what if he met the client for dinner that evening ? A hotel near the meeting spot would seem reasonable. I'm just not convinced that the meeting was near Duffield, it could have been in Hillsville (if that location is correct) as there is a 149 bed hospital in Hillsville.

We have heard diffent times for his departure - if 4 pm is correct and the meeting was supposedly in Duffield - then I would think he should have been near Duffield at 9 pm but yet we are lead to believe he stayed in Hillsville - halfway between. I just don't buy that one, I don't buy a meeting in Duffield at all. I could be wrong - it has happened before - so you could be right, I'm just not leaning that way for some reason that is igging me that I can't explain.

I'm not sure Michelle sent him packing as much as he snuck away at 4 pm not being able to face her. Something was up but maybe not set in stone, maybe his curiosity got the best of him and he returned to confront her about it. I don't think he was welcome at home and it was eating him up - not because of Michelle but because of Cassidy. I have little doubt Michelle knew what was up with him. JMO I just don't think Michelle would share this information with a young protege, off limits information I think.

 

[raisincharlie]

Ok, I gotcha'. You don't think it was planned from say.........a month or two before, but more like a few days before? or hours even? Unlike SP, who was obviously planning his deed for at least weeks in advance per his purchase of the 'boat' and 'I've lost my wife and this is the first Holidays without her.'

You could very well be right. But, I think he at least had it planned THAT night in advance of returning home. IMHO, THAT'S why he went back home, because she probably told him on the phone call she was fed up. The closer he got to home, the madder he got.

The fact that he hasn't talked to anyone, LE, her family, news agencies, etc., is because just like SP, the one thing he's apparently lacking is how to act human. He may have even seen this in the Peterson trial and KNOWS he's gotta stay out of the limelight as people will see right though him. After all, his ACT of falling to the ground when he learned the news from his step dad did not make good press IMHO, and he heard about it and KNEW he shoulda' taken an acting class or two before he did the deed. He found out he's not convincing to anyone, other than his own family.

JMHO
fran

PS....maybe not all that I had listed point to premeditation, but you must admit that the $1m in life insurance is sure an added incentive to have her dead than to go through a divorce.....fran

Bingo !

If Amanda Lamb is correct , and I will take her word over RPD, the first premium on that insurance was paid in April - when Michelle was pregnant with the second child. I think the baby dying after the car wreck was what fueled the majority of problems by the way. I think JY was screwing around while driving - nothing intentional but the accident could have been avoided. JMO

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I've been coming here almost three months and after being registered a month, have finally gotten the nerve to post a reply.:woohoo:

I too, would like to say thank you to all who share at ws. Recently, I found myself over a courtv trying to sift through the posts for updated information. It didn't take me long to realize how crazy it is over there, and how thankful I am for ws. I look forward to posting more of my opinions here soon.

Welcome nrthgamom from Central Texas! The more the merrier! :woohoo:

DD

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Here's my bomb for the day. I have concluded that yes JY is the perp but this murder was not planned in advance - it happened on the spur of a moment and wasn't meant to happen. Things got out of control, however, at some point JY lost it and he definitely meant to kill Michelle. JMO.

:crazy: Happy Sunday RC!

If I had to describe my opinion of his guilt, based upon the little we know so far, it would match yours above. I think it was something that happened that Thursday, but exactly when and what, I don't know.

P.S. I'm not convinced, at this point, that the car accident months before was an intentional act on his part. I can see it as a crash that occurred due to a distraction of some sort, vs. an intentional act on his part. But who the heck knows at this point :waitasec:

 

[fran]

Bingo !

If Amanda Lamb is correct , and I will take her word over RPD, the first premium on that insurance was paid in April - when Michelle was pregnant with the second child. I think the baby dying after the car wreck was what fueled the majority of problems by the way. I think JY was screwing around while driving - nothing intentional but the accident could have been avoided. JMO

Whoa...........Ok, now wait a minute, the first premium was paid in April, the accident was in? May? No one is hurt, ehhhh.........except the BABY dies and a month or so later Michelle is pregnant again.

One car accident? One month after taking out a $1M life insurance policy?

Here I thought it was the baby Jason wanted to get rid of,.............I think I'm changing my mind here. It was Michelle all along.

If you think people aren't stupid enough to take out a $1M policy and to off the people almost immediately afterwards, you're wrong. Just ask Katiecoolady from the Laci Peterson case. Her sister's husband murdered her the DAY after signing the papers of a HUGE insurance policy.

Jason may love his daughter, but not so with Michelle. She may have wanted out of the marriage and Jason (even if he did want this son) had no choice but to kill her if he was going to ever be able to collect on that $1M policy.

NOW I'm beginning to think he premeditated this much longer than I previously thought. Maybe even since April.

Of course I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time. But I've seen people kill someone for a $30K insurance policy, much less that a $1M payday.

Good grief!

JMHO
fran

 

[5bigfish5]

Glad to have you here nrthgamom ! Please don't wait 3 months to post again ! It is always nice to have more thoughts and ideas to work with and study. It's a bit quiet right now because the case is pretty quite but would like to hear your thoughts on who may have done this and what has led you to think so. Sometimes we miss things - let us know!

Here's my bomb for the day. I have concluded that yes JY is the perp but this murder was not planned in advance - it happened on the spur of a moment and wasn't meant to happen. Things got out of control, however, at some point JY lost it and he definitely meant to kill Michelle. JMO.

Hi RaisinCharlie,

I honestly believe that Michelle had found out about MM and had kicked Jason to the curb.

But, you could be right. I don't know. I think either the GA friend or the therapist may throw us all a curve ball.

For me it partially depends on exactly where that meeting was (If there was one). This could get interesting, he can count on his family backing him up, but would a "business" associate? I doubt it. Of course, I suppose he could get one of his buddies to lie about that too, isn't one of them in the same type of business. Exactly WHO that meeting was with may be a dog and pony show yet.

IF Jason left early enough to have driven to the door step of wherever that magic meeting place was, but didn't, I have a problem.

I also have a problem IF he did talk to Michelle late that evening from VA. In my opinion, if he did call and talk to her and then went all the way back to Raleigh, he was up to no good.

Cheers!

 

[raisincharlie]

:crazy: Happy Sunday RC!

If I had to describe my opinion of his guilt, based upon the little we know so far, it would match yours above. I think it was something that happened that Thursday, but exactly when and what, I don't know.

P.S. I'm not convinced, at this point, that the car accident months before was an intentional act on his part. I can see it as a crash that occurred due to a distraction of some sort, vs. an intentional act on his part. But who the heck knows at this point :waitasec:

Happy Sunday to you Ms. DD !

Just my thought on the car wreck, I think JY was playing around, goofing off, and the vehicle got away from him. Don't know why but I do think this is the case. The aftermath, the loss of the baby IMO started a chain reaction.

First if JY was goofing off and two weeks later Michelle loses a baby - well she is definitely not going to be very pleased with him. The speed with which she became pregnant again has the appearance of trying to make amends if you get my drift. Imagine her mood swings during this time period - off the wall. So now we have:

Late May - car wreck
Mid June - lose baby
Early July - MY pregnant again

if you can believe the rumors -

July -MY vacations in NY with her Mom, taking cassidy with
July - JY takes his family (3 people) on a vacation to Ca that he pays for and is without Michelle and supposedly Cassidy - Michelle is upset about the cost.

August- JY changes jobs to one that keeps him away from home more days per week.
August - JY begins pursuit of MM
Sept - party at MY & JYs - MM present
Sept - sometime in september supposedly JY & MM have a physical affair
October - JY in Colorado during the anniversary

These are just some of the things we might know - now what really happened may be more intense. But just looking at these events - it seems pretty clear that JY gave up on this marriage in July IMO. with that being said - I see no reason to believe that Michelle had not figured out the same.

Also - Fran - I have no doubt some idiots will kill for next to nothing. I just have a feeling this was not part of the equation in May. Can't explain it - wish I could. I would see the insurance as more of a motivator if it had indeed occurred closer to the murder, but based on what I have above, I don't see it as a primary motivator. JMO.

 

[jilly]

Jilly,

Are you assuming that the hotel was like a halfway stop? I'm not convinced it was. There is much we don't know - what if he met the client for dinner that evening ? A hotel near the meeting spot would seem reasonable. I'm just not convinced that the meeting was near Duffield, it could have been in Hillsville (if that location is correct) as there is a 149 bed hospital in Hillsville.

We have heard diffent times for his departure - if 4 pm is correct and the meeting was supposedly in Duffield - then I would think he should have been near Duffield at 9 pm but yet we are lead to believe he stayed in Hillsville - halfway between. I just don't buy that one, I don't buy a meeting in Duffield at all. I could be wrong - it has happened before - so you could be right, I'm just not leaning that way for some reason that is igging me that I can't explain.

I'm not sure Michelle sent him packing as much as he snuck away at 4 pm not being able to face her. Something was up but maybe not set in stone, maybe his curiosity got the best of him and he returned to confront her about it. I don't think he was welcome at home and it was eating him up - not because of Michelle but because of Cassidy. I have little doubt Michelle knew what was up with him. JMO I just don't think Michelle would share this information with a young protege, off limits information I think.

Yes....you're right. The "meeting" could have been in Hillsville. If it was though, why would he need a hotel room at all? I just don't get this. You are right about the lack of information. I would like to know when he booked that hotel room.

One thing I will also say is that if this murder was not planned, then he probably left alot of evidence behind.

As far as the GA friend - if they'd just had an argument, I could see Michelle not telling her. If she was going to file for divorce the following week, I think there's a good possibility she would have told her.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi RaisinCharlie,

I honestly believe that Michelle had found out about MM and had kicked Jason to the curb.

But, you could be right. I don't know. I think either the GA friend or the therapist may throw us all a curve ball.

For me it partially depends on exactly where that meeting was (If there was one). This could get interesting, he can count on his family backing him up, but would a "business" associate? I doubt it. Of course, I suppose he could get one of his buddies to lie about that too, isn't one of them in the same type of business. Exactly WHO that meeting was with may be a dog and pony show yet.

IF Jason left early enough to have driven to the door step of wherever that magic meeting place was, but didn't, I have a problem.

I also have a problem IF he did talk to Michelle late that evening from VA. In my opinion, if he did call and talk to her and then went all the way back to Raleigh, he was up to no good.

Cheers!

Swabby,

I think Michelle knew as well - either MM told her, which I do think is possible, or Michelle was a bit more computer smart than JY gave her credit for. There was afterall, only one computer listed on the search warrant for Birchleaf...
:crazy:

 

[raisincharlie]

Yes....you're right. The "meeting" could have been in Hillsville. If it was though, why would he need a hotel room at all? I just don't get this. You are right about the lack of information. I would like to know when he booked that hotel room.

One thing I will also say is that if this murder was not planned, then he probably left alot of evidence behind.

As far as the GA friend - if they'd just had an argument, I could see Michelle not telling her. If she was going to file for divorce the following week, I think there's a good possibility she would have told her.

It has been rumored that JY was late for his meeting - the bigger question is, if he was indeed late, why, since he left the night before to ensure he would be on time. As I said, he may have had a dinner date to keep that evening with a client. I don't know, it has puzzled me that no food receipts were found along with the gas and hotel receipts. Salesmen usually foot the bill for lunch or something as a part of doing business...

ETA - I'm not sure there will be a lot of forensics that will be usable unless Michelle did some damage and the perp left his DNA in places that cannot be explained, since he lived in the house. I suspect however since they were quick to claim this non random - there are some major clues of a non DNA based type. JMO

 

[jilly]

It has been rumored that JY was late for his meeting - the bigger question is, if he was indeed late, why, since he left the night before to ensure he would be on time. As I said, he may have had a dinner date to keep that evening with a client. I don't know, it has puzzled me that no food receipts were found along with the gas and hotel receipts. Salesmen usually foot the bill for lunch or something as a part of doing business...

ETA - I'm not sure there will be a lot of forensics that will be usable unless Michelle did some damage and the perp left his DNA in places that cannot be explained, since he lived in the house. I suspect however since they were quick to claim this non random - there are some major clues of a non DNA based type. JMO

If he'd taken someone out for dinner on the Thursday, then I would think he'd have placed the receipt in the vehicle with the others. I kind of doubt he ate anything that nite except for maybe fast food for himself which he paid with cash.

If it is true that he was late for the meeting then I think that might confirm he wasn't travelling from the hotel to the meeting. I think he got held up at home with Cassidy and the clean up.

I know alot of the forensics will be explainable but I'm thinking along the lines of a footprint & his skin cells or his blood on one of those wedding pictures. The Sheriff said there was a struggle.

It couldn't be this easy to commit such a bloody act of murder as this and get away with it....could it??

 

[Mama-cita]

It has been rumored that JY was late for his meeting - the bigger question is, if he was indeed late, why, since he left the night before to ensure he would be on time. As I said, he may have had a dinner date to keep that evening with a client. I don't know, it has puzzled me that no food receipts were found along with the gas and hotel receipts. Salesmen usually foot the bill for lunch or something as a part of doing business...

ETA - I'm not sure there will be a lot of forensics that will be usable unless Michelle did some damage and the perp left his DNA in places that cannot be explained, since he lived in the house. I suspect however since they were quick to claim this non random - there are some major clues of a non DNA based type. JMO

I hope you are right about that RC, I always thought the reason they labelled it as non-random was based on forensic psychology and crime profiling; that since Cassie was left unharmed it was likely whomever killed Michelle wanted Cassidy left unharmed. Do we know if it is a fact that JayJay called LF as well, looking for Mere? So much has been said, I can't keep up. Also, over at the dark side I read that someone said JayJay swallowed a friend's wedding band as a joke? Sick! Does anyone know anything more about that?

I really hope we see an arrest this week, you know they say MARCH comes in like a LION...so maybe, maybe that will be true in terms of some explosive events in the very near future.

Na na na na, na na na na, HEY JAY JAY you're going BYE BYE!!! (I HOPE)

 

[Taximom]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Na na na na, na na na na, HEY JAY JAY you're going BYE BYE!!! (I HOPE)

And I can't wait. :dance:

(Oh goodness, I'll be humming this the rest of the day!)

 

[5bigfish5]

(respectfully snipped)

Na na na na, na na na na, HEY JAY JAY you're going BYE BYE!!! (I HOPE)

WOW, I didn't know whose post to quote, but I think this is the winner!

IMO, there are a lot of receipts missing. Not just gas, but like someone said food. That tall drink of water isn't an "air plant", I guarandamntee you that.

I firmly believe that the reason that it IS taking so long, is not only the fact that the Youngs had a recent party in that house and that they were entertainers of a sort, but....they were also NOT the original owners of the home. That leaves a lot of possibilities. Could certainly confound the retrieval of evidence from the tub traps, for example.

The simple LACK of foreign DNA following that brutal beating, will IMO seal Jason's fate.

Cheers to All!

 

[scandi]

One good thing Bigfish is they can always deliniate the newest evidence by what is lying on the very top. This is when they enter a crime scene and go to the carpet to see if there is any pertinant evidence, they use a clear tape to take the top layer of evidence for the case.

 

[5bigfish5]

One good thing Bigfish is they can always deliniate the newest evidence by what is lying on the very top. This is when they enter a crime scene and go to the carpet to see if there is any pertinant evidence, they use a clear tape to take the top layer of evidence for the case.

Hey Scandi!

I understand that. I am more concerned about what was in the "tub traps". Especially since JoBlow claimed that the killer showered. Have you ever dismantled one of those NASTY things?

They don't clog up on any schedule, they just kinda' "build up" over time.

I am at an advantage, since I built our house. His sink...5 years. Mine...not yet.

Tub traps are worse, they have a "designed in flaw", a little widget that protrudes. Depending on the water flow OR how often they used a real cleaner, like "Liquid Fire" (sulfuric acid). Could be anything in there, and probably is.

I stand by my conviction. The Lab isn't done and I am content to wait.

I want it done right!

Cheers!

 

[fran]

If Michelle was beat as brutally as we've been led to believe and IF the perp took a shower before leaving the house, imho, there is probably more than just the usual shower type dna stuff found in those drain pipes. With the force that splattered the walls and ceiling (IIRC correctly), there's no way some type of 'human flesh' particles wouldn't have gotten on the perp.

I'm with you bigfish, in that I believe part of the delay in an arrest has to do with the crime lab.

FWIW, I know somone who works in a crime lab. You wouldn't believe how easy it is to get it backed up. You open a specimen thinking it 'one item,' it turns into several and you can only process so much during a session. I would imagine, at times, it's kind of like opening a can of worms that you thought contained just one worm, but there's multiple fellas slithering and sliding all over the place, and each one has to be tested on its own. :doh:

Silly analogy, but works for me, since I'm not a scientific person.

JMHO
fran

 

[panthera]

The simple LACK of foreign DNA following that brutal beating, will IMO seal Jason's fate.

Cheers to All!

This says it all to me, especially if it's believed the killer took the time to shower afterward, especially with a small child and dog in the house. DNA or not, that in itself is a bold move.

 

[scandi]

Yea, Our Mama-Cita has some spark and fire in her soal. I luv it!

Gee Swab { I mean Bigfish ;}, I should do that to my tub drain as it is a slow one to go down. I just never get around to things like that. But I'm sure they are grossy-ossy and all slimy. What a job that would be.

I don't know what besides blood and her hair would go down the drain if he killed her and showered. But Baden said her skull was breeched and it disturbed the tissue beneath. I didn't read that in the AR, but brain tissue is the only thing I can imagine that would spray back on him. Sprayback, right. What tissue do you think? Maybe her hair with some flesh attached?

Fran, <<wavy guy>>, I've also been thinking about all the fingerprints in the house going back say 2 or 3 mos with parties happening there and workers in and out. So say they collect 500 usable fingerprints from everything in the house, Wouldn't they first eliminate all the doubles, maybe bringing it down to say 80. That wouldn't be that big a job for a lab to do, would it? And I'm just throwing out numbers here as I have no idea what it would really be.

Now the palm print has always been of real interest to me. Someone must have gone against the wall in the struggle, right. Since JY lives there, even if it were his, it would not be enough for an arrest, right, unless it had blood in it. It would just be another piece of CE maybe. :banghead: Wish I knew the answers to all of these things. :waitasec:

Scandi