Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 14

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Hi Barney,

Wouldn't the crime lab have wanted the bloody socks to check to see if there were other evidence stuck to them, like say, hairs?

I don't know, maybe I watch too much CSI. (J/K no such thing, waited until almost 4AM to see last night's episode.)

BigFish

Thank you!!!
That's exactly why I would think they WOULD want those socks - could be critical items stuck to the bottom, etc. She obviously was walking in the blood by her mother. Something important could easily have stuck to the wet sock. LE would be all over that - they would never dismiss those socks, IMO....

 

[5bigfish5]

I apologize for the stupid looking grinning emoticon at the top of my last post.

I have no idea how he got there, he was supposed to be at the bottom, where I was talking about CSI.

Looks rude where he landed.

Sorry,

BigFish.

 

[Barney Fife]

Thank you!!!
That's exactly why I would think they WOULD want those socks - could be critical items stuck to the bottom, etc. She obviously was walking in the blood by her mother. Something important could easily have stuck to the wet sock. LE would be all over that - they would never dismiss those socks, IMO....

Goins has told some truths and some lies...hard to know which unless we get the same info elsewhere. Goins went in great detail about her socks left in the bath. not sure why he would make that one up, as it points NOWHERE and does not help JY at all.

 

[raisincharlie]

Whats up with these socks??
Seems like those socks woulda been tested to see who's blood is on them or if there was a mixture of two blood sources. At this point I don't know what is real and what is taken from the dark side and discussed as fact or just fiction. Does anyone know for sure if those socks were taken by LE?? I'm just soooo confused!!

Chico,

There is a fellow who is a longtime family friend to the Young's - aka gojo or Johngo - he claims that when he went into the Birchleaf residence with the Young family after the house was released by LE that Cassidy's bloody socks were left in her bathroom. He also claims that Cassidy must have been carried there as there were no footprints in the house except for in Cassidy's bathroom. He does admit that carpeting was cut out of the master bedroom so not sure if there were footprints there or not.

Me thinks this is another of those red herrings - seems to me the Young's wanted it known they found a tooth - I suspect had there been socks left behind the Young's would have made that known as well in their effort to make LE look inept.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Goins has told some truths and some lies...hard to know which unless we get the same info elsewhere. Goins went in great detail about her socks left in the bath. not sure why he would make that one up, as it points NOWHERE and does not help JY at all.

Oh Barney, I agree....totally.
I'm trying to figure out what's in his brain or why this is so important to him (or them). There's a reason, I just can't figure it out based upon our limited into. I dooooo appreciate his postings, as it does give us some snippets or small details from at least one person who has supposedly been in the house. Do I take it all for fact? Absolutely not, but am anxious to see once more comes out, just how true and accurate his postings were...

I do feel for him, as I don't believe he feels JY could have done this. Yet, if I had a family member in JY's situation, I would hope even family friends wouldn't be posting on a MB. Ya never know what they can say or do that would be harmful or discovered in the future, in case of trial.

JMO + MOO :blushing:

 

[chicoliving]

Ok I see now. So no pic of these socks left in the bathroom then? lol I think LE knows what they're doing.

 

[pack_fan]

How much time would a criminal defense attorney spend on a case if the client had not been charged? Anyone?

 

[nanandjim]

...There is a fellow who is a longtime family friend to the Young's - aka gojo or Johngo - he claims that when he went into the Birchleaf residence with the Young family after the house was released by LE that Cassidy's bloody socks were left in her bathroom...

If this really happened, I hope to heck they didn't touch the socks and called the police right away. Lord knows, it could have evidence on them from the real killer.

 

[raisincharlie]

Ok I see now. So no pic of these socks left in the bathroom then? lol I think LE knows what they're doing.

Outside of gojo johngo, no reference to socks in the sws released. I think it is part of his game, a little truth, a lot of bull. His main goal with that conversation was that MF arrived very early and took care of Cassidy even though Michelle was dead in the bedroom. Meredith was there for hours before she decided to call 911 about her sister.

This is an improvement for gojo johngo - at first MF was the murderer. Now she was just indecisive about calling 911. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

If this really happened, I hope to heck they didn't touch the socks and called the police right away. Lord knows, it could have evidence on them from the real killer.

So very true

 

[chicoliving]

How much time would a criminal defense attorney spend on a case if the client had not been charged? Anyone?

Taking a guess here but I'd say not much. No charges, no discovery. More of a liason type between LE and their client. Might spend some time firming up an alibi but it doesn't seem they would have access to much LE information. What's public is fair game but I don't think LE shares its notes until at the least charges are filed and I'm not even sure if they do then. I know discovery is an issue when a trial date's been set...or a preliminary hearing. Of course all states are a bit different with the process. Of course if they are actively preparing a defense for what seems to be inevitable charges they'd be spending some time on it. Private investigators, experts and such.

 

[raisincharlie]

How much time would a criminal defense attorney spend on a case if the client had not been charged? Anyone?

I don't know the answer but suspect the amount of time would be based on several factors. One thing I noticed about the warrants - copies went to Roger Smith - obviously Mr. Smith has much more of an idea where LE is headed - I suspect his time is adjusted accordingly. I would also think a parallel investigation by the defense is ongoing - again time adjusted to circumstance.

Hows that for no answer to your question ?

 

[nanandjim]

Taking a guess here but I'd say not much. No charges, no discovery. More of a liason type between LE and their client. Might spend some time firming up an alibi but it doesn't seem they would have access to much LE information. What's public is fair game but I don't think LE shares its notes until at the least charges are filed and I'm not even sure if they do then. I know discovery is an issue when a trial date's been set...or a preliminary hearing. Of course all states are a bit different with the process. Of course if they are actively preparing a defense for what seems to be inevitable charges they'd be spending some time on it. Private investigators, experts and such.

This lawyer has probably informed police that all questions are to go through his office. He also probably talked to JY and told him to keep his mouth shut and to inform him if the cops tried to speak with him. He may have set up a private LDT to see if JY could pass it. If he did, I will bet that he failed it miserably.

IMO, the lawyer is, at this point, charging by the hour. If and when Jason is arrested and charged with murder, he could retain this attorney or another. At time, the retained attorney will probably ask for a hefty retainer, if he doesn't ask for his entire fee up front.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I don't know the answer but suspect the amount of time would be based on several factors. One thing I noticed about the warrants - copies went to Roger Smith - obviously Mr. Smith has much more of an idea where LE is headed - I suspect his time is adjusted accordingly. I would also think a parallel investigation by the defense is ongoing - again time adjusted to circumstance.

Hows that for no answer to your question ?

I think your "no answer" is spot on! :dance:

 

[pack_fan]

Taking a guess here but I'd say not much. No charges, no discovery. More of a liason type between LE and their client. Might spend some time firming up an alibi but it doesn't seem they would have access to much LE information. What's public is fair game but I don't think LE shares its notes until at the least charges are filed and I'm not even sure if they do then. I know discovery is an issue when a trial date's been set...or a preliminary hearing. Of course all states are a bit different with the process. Of course if they are actively preparing a defense for what seems to be inevitable charges they'd be spending some time on it. Private investigators, experts and such.

Just curious. If Mr. Goins is who he says, and I have no reason to doubt, he is a close family friend and has been inside the home. Just wondering if he is so close that possibly some of the information, especially theories could have come from either a pi or defense attorney. Might be seeing a preview of trial to come.

 

[scandi]

Thanks RC! I agree with you that if the print out was done prior to him leaving for the trip it does point more to premed if he is guilty.


When I first started reading about this murder in January, I thought the CE pointed to JY, but I believed it was a spur of the moment uncontrollable anger murder, but lately premed seems even more likely. Unfortunately a lot of my opinion is based on rumors instead of facts since that what we have more of right now.



I feel for Gojo, whoever they are. Gojo seems to want people to believe them so badly, but all the information they have offered hasn’t helped me believe in JY innocence, it just supports or adds to the CE against JY in my opinion.

Hi Smugshots, I read a bit at that new site last night, and even though everyone hates JohnGo there {Goins}, I was a bit touched by what he wrote. Someone had asked him about the cost of defending JY if and when he is arrested and brought to justice.

He replied that yes, his family would stick by him even if it included going into bankrupsy. And then he said he himself {I'm sure that includes his wife, can't remember} might go into bankrupsy before he even finds out if JY is guilty of the crime.

He must have goodness in him even though he has thrown out some red herrings and involved the media with CTV which I don't think he should have done. It will be a long and hard road to travel for all of them.

Scandi

 

[Samiya]

I remember when Gojo mentioned the highly trained individual when discussing the tooth being found, maybe I misunderstood but I thought he was being sarcastic, meaning the actual highly trained individual didn't find the tooth...but JY's not highly trained sister did.

It's funny you brought that up as I have been wondering if the 'highly trained individual' was a dentist and that is why the tooth/shard was recognised for what it was.

Just a thought

Sami

 

[Smugshots]

Goins has told some truths and some lies...hard to know which unless we get the same info elsewhere. Goins went in great detail about her socks left in the bath. not sure why he would make that one up, as it points NOWHERE and does not help JY at all.

Hi Barney,

I haven't read one single thing that Goins has said that has helped JY at all. I'm beginning to wonder if he really thinks JY is innocent! Can you recall anything that's he's said that has actually helped JY, maybe I missed it.

 

[chicoliving]

Just curious. If Mr. Goins is who he says, and I have no reason to doubt, he is a close family friend and has been inside the home. Just wondering if he is so close that possibly some of the information, especially theories could have come from either a pi or defense attorney. Might be seeing a preview of trial to come.

Oh yeah! Gotta see what will float and what won't. Attack the investigation, attack the interpretation of the results of the investigation....IOW attack attack attack. It's what the defense is supposed to do and I'm sure there are minions cruising the boards as in past cases.

 

[Smugshots]

Hi Smugshots, I read a bit at that new site last night, and even though everyone hates JohnGo there {Goins}, I was a bit touched by what he wrote. Someone had asked him about the cost of defending JY if and when he is arrested and brought to justice.

He replied that yes, his family would stick by him even if it included going into bankrupsy. And then he said he himself {I'm sure that includes his wife, can't remember} might go into bankrupsy before he even finds out if JY is guilty of the crime.

He must have goodness in him even though he has thrown out some red herrings and involved the media with CTV which I don't think he should have done. It will be a long and hard road to travel for all of them.

Scandi

Hi Scandi,

I just started reading at that site today, and I did read that post. I don't hate JohnGo. I just don't understand why he shares what he does, it just ends up supporting the CE that I think supports the JY theory. I wish for his sake, and everyone else's he actually had some shred of evidence that would prove without a doubt it wasn't JY. I just don't think he has it or he would be sharing it.

This is the first case I've ever followed this closely, or posted on. It's just touched me like no other. I think I'm going crazy, now I'm trying to keep up with 3 message boards now, please tell me there aren't anymore.