Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 14

[FactsareFacts]

Sounds like I should be reading at CTV. Banned several times?

 

[jake]

Alluding to a theory of problems back from her childhood? Nothing known as fact about that now, so I'm not even going to give that much credence for now. Except one comment and taking the inference as a "hypothetical" situation. I'd say IF IF IF IF there was any fact behind that, then I would take it that IF IF IF she were having issues over that NOW, in late 2006, then that would mean the rest of her life was NOT on an even keel, as you said in your post. If a female were having problems living with something from way in her past, it's MOO that it's because of other current stresses that have allowed them to surface in such a manner that she's asking for help.

Certainly, every individual and every situation is different. And, I'm not a professional in regards to psychology or psychiatry. However, have vast experience in dealing with people in traumatic events and situations. So, my opinion is based upon those experiences. Honestly, I'd be somewhat surprised if MY was requesting assistance for sex-related issues for herself.

DD

Howdy,

Two things made me go.....HUH.

Some current stress that caused old memories to come forward and cause her problems? Like what? The miscarriage? No, she's pregnant again. Not financial. Can you guess?

Not sex related issues for herself? For whom? Jason? Her sister? A close friend, such as GA girl? Any ideas? Do ladies commonly go to a psychologist to seek help for someone else?

--Jake

 

[pack_fan]

Jake,

I always thought that you were such a classy guy. I can't imagine why you could come on to talk about a "sex" therapist and ask about another guy? I'm sure that you are not insinuating that Michelle was also having an affair. That would not be like you at all and we would all be so disappointed.

I am also discouraged that Jason has not been more involved in the Fisher's lives. LF has extended her hand in friendship since the murder and all she has gotten from Jason was the cold shoulder. Although I like Jason very much, he could be a bit more friendly. Dearest LF even offered to pick little Cassie up at school to help Jason out and he acted very rudely about it imo :angel: . I'm sure they could be best of friends if Jason would just give her a chance.



Your friend,


pack_fan

 

[FactsareFacts]

Howdy,

Two things made me go.....HUH.

Some current stress that caused old memories to come forward and cause her problems? Like what? The miscarriage? No, she's pregnant again. Not financial. Can you guess?

Not sex related issues for herself? For whom? Jason? Her sister? A close friend, such as GA girl? Any ideas? Do ladies commonly go to a psychologist to seek help for someone else?

--Jake

NO thats highly unlikely. Her husband was sleeping with her best friend and they had money problems. I think thats why she needed therapy!

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

:laugh:





You're scaring me luv ! Am I that translucent... ?

After giving that question much thought....he!! yeah! :silenced:

And that's why we all get along so well

 

[scandi]

Oh My Goodness, I'm a speed reader but it was still seemingly slow getting down to the last post!

I about lost my Ginger Ale Jake when you suggested that DAWGIE could be
RPD Good thing I didn't as I have a new keyboard! I've known her now since about Feb or March of 2003, WOW, 4 years, and we lived Laci's case pretty much every day after she went missing.

But :hand: if you stick around, you might meet him. Gotta analyze the writing style though to see if it is genuine! LOLOLOLOL

I did a LOT of reading about our therapist, and #1, she is not a sex therapist. It might be a common mistake for people to make, as they assume if you are a guy that wants to be a woman, that means you have a different way you would prefer to have sex. A way different than you have before. Nopey Nope!

I learned that most people who decide to change their physical body from one gender to another keep on making love to the gender they did before they had the physical operation. It is only a gender change, and not a change in sexual preference.


Now about Michelle. She seems to be very normal to me as a female, from my female perspective, except that she was possibly more organized and in control of whatever she did than a lot of women are. That is an art, and droves of women go to conferences every year to learn to be organized if they feel it will lighten their complicated lives. So it is a respected female attribute, having nothing to do with her sexual being and desires. In other words, being in control and organized does not make her masculine.

We did hear a rumor from an 'insider', and I really even hate to bring it up, but thought it could be possible as I have been in the same situation myself. It was said JY was unhappy with their sex life because there were things Michelle didn't want to do. I remember that exactly, as it hit a nerve! I also saw that statement transposed later - a few days ago, and knew immediately they had to be a troll!

Maybe JY is not our killer. But he could present an assumption for gender instability from what I've learned about him. He has even been called 'mas gay' by a poster, just from looking at a photo of him! Who knows. That die is not cast yet.

But in all probability there is that possibility. I'm sure DAWGIE even remembers the day we learned that Scott Peterson laid with Victor in the master bed in the house on Covena when Laci was out of town. Our mouths were all agape, our brains torqing at the thought of it. We will just have to wait and see.

Scandi

PS: I'll save you all a bundle of $$'s. The secret to being well organized to make everything in life easier, is to simply write everything down. Keep a going log, and you will will always have that backup. YaYa

 

[jake]

Howdy,

No, I know who RPD is. I must have hit the wrong button for Depty Dawg. I apologize to him.

--Jake

 

[jake]

Jake,

You are very wrong, as RC and Sami have pointed out to you. Don't make assumptions.

I know who you are from your posts. If you're posting in a civil manner at WS, most posters will talk to you in a civil manner, as well. Start playing your A**inine games like on other boards, and you'll be continuing your disservice to JY. In all sincerity, IMO, you're an educated man who cares much for JY and his family. However, I don't know why you're posting on and on in a way that only detracts from JY.

You want insight to what joe-general public thinks and feels about the MY case? Ya know, the court of public opinion from across the US? A mini-sampling of citizens? Then ask reasonable questions and take the answers to heart. You may not agree with all, or even some, but at least you'd know what real people are thinking or surmising. Sometimes it's best to just sit back and read.

You didn't ask for my opinion, but I just gave it to you. It won't hurt my feelings if you wholeheartely disagree 100%. Yet, I realize there are hurting family members and friends on both sides of this situation. WHOMEVER the perp was, that person has family that will be distraught if/when an arrest (and hopefully a proper conviction) occurs. I won't have sympathy for the murderer. I will have sympathy to the family members who were not responsible for this disgusting crime by their errant child.

JMHO

DD
(who has enjoyed reading many of RPD's posts, and hopes RPD wasn't offended that you got us confused).

Howdy,

Still, I will apologize to you for hitting the wrong button in response.

I don't know what makes you think I am not a serious poster looking for answers. I am.

--Jake

 

[chicoliving]

I'm gonna give you all a few minutes to edit your posts to conform with our TOS (terms of service) which is located as a sticky thread at the top of this forum. I suggest a refresher read of the TOS may be in order for some.

This last page or so of posts is unacceptable and I expect some editing to be done. If not I'll lock it, edit it and set some off on a vacation.

 

[jake]

Jake,

I always thought that you were such a classy guy. I can't imagine why you could come on to talk about a "sex" therapist and ask about another guy? I'm sure that you are not insinuating that Michelle was also having an affair. That would not be like you at all and we would all be so disappointed.

I am also discouraged that Jason has not been more involved in the Fisher's lives. LF has extended her hand in friendship since the murder and all she has gotten from Jason was the cold shoulder. Although I like Jason very much, he could be a bit more friendly. Dearest LF even offered to pick little Cassie up at school to help Jason out and he acted very rudely about it imo :angel: . I'm sure they could be best of friends if Jason would just give her a chance.



Your friend,


pack_fan

Howdy,

I don't doubt what you say, but I was not aware Jason had been rude to Mrs. Fisher. I'm sure that is not the way he was raised.

--Jake

 

[jake]

Oh My Goodness, I'm a speed reader but it was still seemingly slow getting down to the last post!

I about lost my Ginger Ale Jake when you suggested that DAWGIE could be
RPD Good thing I didn't as I have a new keyboard! I've known her now since about Feb or March of 2003, WOW, 4 years, and we lived Laci's case pretty much every day after she went missing.

But :hand: if you stick around, you might meet him. Gotta analyze the writing style though to see if it is genuine! LOLOLOLOL

I did a LOT of reading about our therapist, and #1, she is not a sex therapist. It might be a common mistake for people to make, as they assume if you are a guy that wants to be a woman, that means you have a different way you would prefer to have sex. A way different than you have before. Nopey Nope!

I learned that most people who decide to change their physical body from one gender to another keep on making love to the gender they did before they had the physical operation. It is only a gender change, and not a change in sexual preference.


Now about Michelle. She seems to be very normal to me as a female, from my female perspective, except that she was possibly more organized and in control of whatever she did than a lot of women are. That is an art, and droves of women go to conferences every year to learn to be organized if they feel it will lighten their complicated lives. So it is a respected female attribute, having nothing to do with her sexual being and desires. In other words, being in control and organized does not make her masculine.

We did hear a rumor from an 'insider', and I really even hate to bring it up, but thought it could be possible as I have been in the same situation myself. It was said JY was unhappy with their sex life because there were things Michelle didn't want to do. I remember that exactly, as it hit a nerve! I also saw that statement transposed later - a few days ago, and knew immediately they had to be a troll!

Maybe JY is not our killer. But he could present an assumption for gender instability from what I've learned about him. He has even been called 'mas gay' by a poster, just from looking at a photo of him! Who knows. That die is not cast yet.

But in all probability there is that possibility. I'm sure DAWGIE even remembers the day we learned that Scott Peterson laid with Victor in the master bed in the house on Covena when Laci was out of town. Our mouths were all agape, our brains torqing at the thought of it. We will just have to wait and see.

Scandi

PS: I'll save you all a bundle of $$'s. The secret to being well organized to make everything in life easier, is to simply write everything down. Keep a going log, and you will will always have that backup. YaYa

Howdy,

Thank you very much for that enlightening post. If I read it right, you think, from your experience, that Michelle Possibly consulted the psychologist for Jason and his gender issues? Please correct me if I have this wrong.

I would like to think about that and see if I can fit it in with other things I know about the two of them.

--Jake

 

[pack_fan]

Howdy,

I don't doubt what you say, but I was not aware Jason had been rude to Mrs. Fisher. I'm sure that is not the way he was raised.

--Jake

You should ask him about it, I'm sure he remembers. Remind him of those good manners he was raised with.

 

[raisincharlie]

:woohoo: Have I mentioned how happy I am to be back here with all of you???!!!:dance:

RC You might be right about why Michelle had to see a therapist if the so-called insiders are any example of the Young family.lol. I have no idea who they are - I figured for the most part: trolls. I do know that over there it is common to have multiple hats.

As far as Michelle seeing a therapist, I sense that it was a multitude of reasons concerning her husband. Absolutely nothing to indicate she was having an affair. When would she even have time?? - a demanding job, a toddler, pregnant, miscarriage and pregnant again.

As far as her seeing the therapist in a sexual capacity, I'll go out on on limb and speculate that it might have been that her husband was too sexually demanding. She was probably tired and not into sex what with everything she had on her plate and maybe he was demanding that she cater to his needs. He seems like a bit of a jerk, to me anyways and obviously, their sex life couldn't have been that great because he went out and pursued someone else. Just to add insult to injury he picked one of her best friends.:loser:

Jilly,

Good thoughts, add in that her husband was having a relationship with another woman. I suspect Michelle was not blind to her environment. It is obvious that three months before her murder things took a dramatic turn. Thrown on top of the loss of a baby following a wreck and then getting pregnant right away, the hormonal effects would be dramatic I would think.

 

[sweet peach]

Wow, I'm psyched to see WS back up and running! I had just registered not long before the site went down, and then everyone was talking about how great WS is and how much they miss it. I need a break from CTV...it's getting crazy over there!

 

[Utopia]

Sounds like I should be reading at CTV. Banned several times?

Unless you have masochistic tendencies I'd save yourself the trouble Facts, its wild over there and some are just down right nasty. It's not like RC didn't warn me but I was desperate and wondered over. I'm very glad I didn't register because I'm not sure I could have stopped myself from wading into the fray a couple of times.

It's VERY good to be back here and I have a brand new appreciation for the environment here - thanks everyone! Websleuths is the best!:clap:

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Howdy,

Two things made me go.....HUH.

Some current stress that caused old memories to come forward and cause her problems? Like what? The miscarriage? No, she's pregnant again. Not financial. Can you guess?

Not sex related issues for herself? For whom? Jason? Her sister? A close friend, such as GA girl? Any ideas? Do ladies commonly go to a psychologist to seek help for someone else?

--Jake

1) I'd hate to guess what the key subject matter was. It could be many, many things. Maybe one big one, or just lots of little things that caused her to be unhappy, stressed, depressed, concerned, fearful, etc. Who knows?

Miscarriage, as you mentioned? You asked for a female's perspective - I have never lost a child, thank God. You discounted that the miscarriage could have been it, as you said "no, she's pregnant again." I have absolutely NO idea...but, maybe she didn't want to be pregnant again so soon? Maybe it wasn't her idea? Maybe it was Jason's idea, or it was an "oops?" I don't know, what have you been told? Maybe she felt guilt...or fear...or anger...or ? IMO, just because she's pregnant again doesn't mean she's emotionally worked through the issue of losing a previous baby.

Then again, you discount financial. I know YOU have claimed (and are really trying to convince everyone) that there were no financial stresses or strains. LE says otherwise. Doesn't really matter what you or other WS strangers think - it will all come out as evidence if JY goes to trial. The facts will speak for themselves in regards to their financial situation. It can't be changed now.

2) Sex therapist for others, as you questioned? I was trying to be specific that I didn't think she went to discuss her own sex issues. I'm also not a big believer behind the thoughts that Jason had gender issues, or homosexual issues, etc. Don't know, so won't assume. Willing to sit back and see what comes out later (if he's ever charged). However, I am under the impression that the "relationship" alluded to by LE became a sexual relationship with MM. I could be wrong. So, would MY go to a therapist to discuss her personal feelings over that, if she either knew this as fact, or had suspicions? Yes, it wouldn't be a stretch to consider that a female would seek help to work through those feelings. But again, I'm not convinced that's what she was seeking help for.

Okay, why don't you just cut to the chase and tell us what you're wanting to say about MY...whether she was molested as a young girl...or had an inappropriate relationship this past summer (right after losing a child?!) or ??? Is that what you're wanting us to take off with and run? That still doesn't eliminate Jason as a POI. So, what do you want to tell us?

DD

 

[scandi]

Jake,

I always thought that you were such a classy guy. I can't imagine why you could come on to talk about a "sex" therapist and ask about another guy? I'm sure that you are not insinuating that Michelle was also having an affair. That would not be like you at all and we would all be so disappointed.

I am also discouraged that Jason has not been more involved in the Fisher's lives. LF has extended her hand in friendship since the murder and all she has gotten from Jason was the cold shoulder. Although I like Jason very much, he could be a bit more friendly. Dearest LF even offered to pick little Cassie up at school to help Jason out and he acted very rudely about it imo :angel: . I'm sure they could be best of friends if Jason would just give her a chance.



Your friend,


pack_fan

Hi PackFan <<wavy guy>> I do agree with you, and have a few additional thoughts.

I think down deep Jake could have a heart of gold. He is so emotionally involved in this case because of his family ties to Jason's family, that the only thing he can do is try to point the finger somewhere else.

When I first read him quoting Shakespeare and citing the Commandments, I knew he was an educated man. It must be difficult to honor your affections in life, uphold the person cast in the shadow of a dilema and then help him in the most forthright way that you can.

Maybe you will find new found friends Jake on this forum if you simply stick to the facts and don't cast aspersions in other areas to make your friend look better or less guilty. That is what you need to do if you really want to stand by him and not treat him as though he were Gildenstern {sp ;}, who he is not.

Of all places to come to talk to people who will understand, and who do care, you have found a beautiful opening in cyberspace in which you can relate to them. And if you aren't there yet, they will certainly have you for dinner,
Aussie style! :croc: Scandi

 

[FactsareFacts]

Unless you have masochistic tendencies I'd save yourself the trouble Facts, its wild over there and some are just down right nasty. It's not like RC didn't warn me but I was desperate and wondered over. I'm very glad I didn't register because I'm not sure I could have stopped myself from wading into the fray a couple of times.

It's VERY good to be back here and I have a brand new appreciation for the environment here - thanks everyone! Websleuths is the best!:clap:

OK nasty is it? Well I don't care for that kind of discussion so I wont be registering there. I don't post much here, just read for the most part. I admit I don't like this topic of Michelle being anything but a victim though so I felt the need to post tonight.

 

[Barney Fife]

Cha cha and Mimi were quiet while Netbrood had her fun. Contrary to what those 2 think, RPD was NOT Netbrood.Though it looked like she was having fun, it got a bit too 'twilight zonish"

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Howdy,

Still, I will apologize to you for hitting the wrong button in response.

I don't know what makes you think I am not a serious poster looking for answers. I am.

--Jake

Fair enough.

P.S. DD is a "she." Now, to move on and discuss the case.