Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 14

[jake]

1) I'd hate to guess what the key subject matter was. It could be many, many things. Maybe one big one, or just lots of little things that caused her to be unhappy, stressed, depressed, concerned, fearful, etc. Who knows?

Miscarriage, as you mentioned? You asked for a female's perspective - I have never lost a child, thank God. You discounted that the miscarriage could have been it, as you said "no, she's pregnant again." I have absolutely NO idea...but, maybe she didn't want to be pregnant again so soon? Maybe it wasn't her idea? Maybe it was Jason's idea, or it was an "oops?" I don't know, what have you been told? Maybe she felt guilt...or fear...or anger...or ? IMO, just because she's pregnant again doesn't mean she's emotionally worked through the issue of losing a previous baby.

Then again, you discount financial. I know YOU have claimed (and are really trying to convince everyone) that there were no financial stresses or strains. LE says otherwise. Doesn't really matter what you or other WS strangers think - it will all come out as evidence if JY goes to trial. The facts will speak for themselves in regards to their financial situation. It can't be changed now.

2) Sex therapist for others, as you questioned? I was trying to be specific that I didn't think she went to discuss her own sex issues. I'm also not a big believer behind the thoughts that Jason had gender issues, or homosexual issues, etc. Don't know, so won't assume. Willing to sit back and see what comes out later (if he's ever charged). However, I am under the impression that the "relationship" alluded to by LE became a sexual relationship with MM. I could be wrong. So, would MY go to a therapist to discuss her personal feelings over that, if she either knew this as fact, or had suspicions? Yes, it wouldn't be a stretch to consider that a female would seek help to work through those feelings. But again, I'm not convinced that's what she was seeking help for.

Okay, why don't you just cut to the chase and tell us what you're wanting to say about MY...whether she was molested as a young girl...or had an inappropriate relationship this past summer (right after losing a child?!) or ??? Is that what you're wanting us to take off with and run? That still doesn't eliminate Jason as a POI. So, what do you want to tell us?

DD

Howdy,

I hope I haven't misled you. I am looking for answers simply for the peace of my own mind and to help bring justice for Michelle and her unborn son. I'm afraid you will be disappointed if you think I have things to tell you. I think my anger at her death, and the manner of it, still consumes me.

I think I believe right now--but could be easily dissuaded--that something happened in Michelle's life last summer, either during her two-week trip north or during Jason's trip to Calif. My belief is this is why she went to the psychologist.

You asked if she was happy about her pregnancy? I have no idea, but I suppose her close friends would know. I do know that Jason was happy about it--ecstatic is maybe a better word. I'm sure he and his whole family were also proud that a son would carry on the Young name.

I agree with you that anyone can claim to know about the financial situation with that family. And, as you say, perhaps we will know the facts someday.

--Jake

 

[jake]

Hi PackFan <<wavy guy>> I do agree with you, and have a few additional thoughts.

I think down deep Jake could have a heart of gold. He is so emotionally involved in this case because of his family ties to Jason's family, that the only thing he can do is try to point the finger somewhere else.

When I first read him quoting Shakespeare and citing the Commandments, I knew he was an educated man. It must be difficult to honor your affections in life, uphold the person cast in the shadow of a dilema and then help him in the most forthright way that you can.

Maybe you will find new found friends Jake on this forum if you simply stick to the facts and don't cast aspersions in other areas to make your friend look better or less guilty. That is what you need to do if you really want to stand by him and not treat him as though he were Gildenstern {sp ;}, who he is not.

Of all places to come to talk to people who will understand, and who do care, you have found a beautiful opening in cyberspace in which you can relate to them. And if you aren't there yet, they will certainly have you for dinner,
Aussie style! :croc: Scandi

Howdy,

And thank you much for what you have said. I'm not too sure about the dinner part though---I'm afraid I might be the dinner for some.

But you are right about my feelings. I am consumed with anger still, four months later, about the death of this beautiful woman and her child, both for the loss of the two of them and for the bruality in the manner of their deaths.

--Jake

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Oh My Goodness, I'm a speed reader but it was still seemingly slow getting down to the last post!

I about lost my Ginger Ale Jake when you suggested that DAWGIE could be
RPD Good thing I didn't as I have a new keyboard! I've known her now since about Feb or March of 2003, WOW, 4 years, and we lived Laci's case pretty much every day after she went missing.

But :hand: if you stick around, you might meet him. Gotta analyze the writing style though to see if it is genuine! LOLOLOLOL

(And just what if I'm having a multiple-personality day and my writing style changes?! Or I answer my own posts

(snipped)

But in all probability there is that possibility. I'm sure DAWGIE even remembers the day we learned that Scott Peterson laid with Victor in the master bed in the house on Covena when Laci was out of town. Our mouths were all agape, our brains torqing at the thought of it. We will just have to wait and see. You know that saying, "Just when you think you've heard or seen it all?" Good comment to have in your hip pocket when it comes to speculating on crimes, eh?!

:angel: <<<< Scandi, trying to keep RC in line.

 

[pack_fan]

Howdy,

I hope I haven't misled you. I am looking for answers simply for the peace of my own mind and to help bring justice for Michelle and her unborn son. I'm afraid you will be disappointed if you think I have things to tell you. I think my anger at her death, and the manner of it, still consumes me.

I think I believe right now--but could be easily dissuaded--that something happened in Michelle's life last summer, either during her two-week trip north or during Jason's trip to Calif. My belief is this is why she went to the psychologist.

You asked if she was happy about her pregnancy? I have no idea, but I suppose her close friends would know. I do know that Jason was happy about it--ecstatic is maybe a better word. I'm sure he and his whole family were also proud that a son would carry on the Young name.

I agree with you that anyone can claim to know about the financial situation with that family. And, as you say, perhaps we will know the facts someday.

--Jake

You talk about the sex therapist and speak of another man. Are you saying that Michelle had an affair in NY or while Jason was in California, she felt guilty, and that is why she was seeing a therapist? Just want to be clear....

 

[The Saint]

You talk about the sex therapist and speak of another man. Are you saying that Michelle had an affair in NY or while Jason was in California, she felt guilty, and that is why she was seeing a therapist? Just want to be clear....

or could jason have been having an affair with another man in Calfornia
during the Young family vacation?

would this male lover be seen in photographs that LE has in their possession?

jmo

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Howdy,

(snipped for space)

I think I believe right now--but could be easily dissuaded--that something happened in Michelle's life last summer, either during her two-week trip north or during Jason's trip to Calif. My belief is this is why she went to the psychologist.

--Jake

Your thoughts for now about "something happened" in Michelle's life last summer. That's pretty specific as far as timeline, so you've obviously been told some details from the Young family's side.

Is this alleged "something" a "something" that was an action that Michelle initiated/instigated or did...or something that happened TO her, outside of her control? Not sure if I'm making my thought clear. Trying again, LOL...is this "something that happened" a something that was within Michelle's control or outside of her control? And if I still wasn't clear (I'm getting groggy), then to heck with it :slap:

 

[jake]

You talk about the sex therapist and speak of another man. Are you saying that Michelle had an affair in NY or while Jason was in California, she felt guilty, and that is why she was seeing a therapist? Just want to be clear....

Howdy,

No, I am not saying that. I think something happened, but have no idea yet a to what it was. Did it have to do with Jason? I have no idea about that, either. Like you, I'm searching for answers.

--Jake

 

[jake]

or could jason have been having an affair with another man in Calfornia
during the Young family vacation?

would this male lover be seen in photographs that LE has in their possession?

jmo

Howdy,

I reckon anything is possible. But I doubt it.

--Jake

 

[FactsareFacts]

Howdy,

No, I am not saying that. I think something happened, but have no idea yet a to what it was. Did it have to do with Jason? I have no idea about that, either. Like you, I'm searching for answers.

--Jake

If you don't know anything, why do you feel something "happened" during that time? :waitasec:

 

[scandi]

Howdy,

Thank you very much for that enlightening post. If I read it right, you think, from your experience, that Michelle Possibly consulted the psychologist for Jason and his gender issues? Please correct me if I have this wrong.

I would like to think about that and see if I can fit it in with other things I know about the two of them.

--Jake

Hi Jake, I don't necessarily think JY had any gender issues. I think he came into his sexual prominance later in life than most guys do and made up for lost time. He somehow got caught up with it, though he might have always been a ladies man, got married because he was going to be a father, but somehow couldn't stop loving the turn on it gave him to woo a gal successfully. Ego. He must have loved either the conquest or the sex.

We know he strayed once out of the bounds of marriage. Did you? I doubt it! And now we learn what was first hinted at after Michelle was murdered, that he had affairs. A very early 'insider' post stated you will not believe what you will learn in this case!

You have to admit that poses a big red flag in looking at him. It shows a candor that is not admirable. Once you have a big red flag, it makes one take a closer look. I think that is what we have done, and the red flags have turned crimson.

He is possibly a red blooded guy, but by his own hand in not defending Michelle and her babe's honor in seeking out their killer with a vengance, he has hurt himself in the eyes of those who study the case. That's what counts. Anything else that is out of the norm just makes us look at him a little closer. Scandi

 

[jake]

If you don't know anything, why do you feel something "happened" during that time? :waitasec:

Howdy,

Because she went to see a therapist.

--Jake

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Hi PackFan <<wavy guy>> I do agree with you, and have a few additional thoughts.

I think down deep Jake could have a heart of gold. He is so emotionally involved in this case because of his family ties to Jason's family, that the only thing he can do is try to point the finger somewhere else.

When I first read him quoting Shakespeare and citing the Commandments, I knew he was an educated man. It must be difficult to honor your affections in life, uphold the person cast in the shadow of a dilema and then help him in the most forthright way that you can.

Maybe you will find new found friends Jake on this forum if you simply stick to the facts and don't cast aspersions in other areas to make your friend look better or less guilty. That is what you need to do if you really want to stand by him and not treat him as though he were Gildenstern {sp ;}, who he is not.

Of all places to come to talk to people who will understand, and who do care, you have found a beautiful opening in cyberspace in which you can relate to them. And if you aren't there yet, they will certainly have you for dinner,
Aussie style! :croc: Scandi

Scandi,
That was a very sweet post, and the last two paragraphs are so true.
(including the Aussie comment, although no names were mentioned Sami)

P.S. And who is Gildenstern? DD's not afraid to show her literary ignorance, LOL (or maybe it wasn't even a literary reference, of which I've then REALLY stepped into it big time, haha)

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Howdy,

Because she went to see a therapist.

--Jake

But you were specific regarding something happening while she was on vacation or when Jason was on vacation. At either of those times, she was away from Jason.

Did Michelle take Cassidy with her to NY during that visit? And do you know in which month she went up north? I'm unclear as to how soon after the miscarriage she went up - right away, or a month, or 2 months? And when did Jason go to CA? Just curious as to the timeline.

 

[FactsareFacts]

Howdy,

Because she went to see a therapist.

--Jake

But your saying something happened last summer and she just started seeing the therapist right before she was murdered. I don't see the connection.

 

[jake]

Hi Jake, I don't necessarily think JY had any gender issues. I think he came into his sexual prominance later in life than most guys do and made up for lost time. He somehow got caught up with it, though he might have always been a ladies man, got married because he was going to be a father, but somehow couldn't stop loving the turn on it gave him to woo a gal successfully. Ego. He must have loved either the conquest or the sex.

We know he strayed once out of the bounds of marriage. Did you? I doubt it! And now we learn what was first hinted at after Michelle was murdered, that he had affair[s. A very early 'insider' post stated you will not believe what you will learn in this case!

You have to admit that poses a big red flag in looking at him. It shows a candor that is not admirable. Once you have a big red flag, it makes one take a closer look. I think that is what we have done, and the red flags have turned crimson.

He is possibly a red blooded guy, but by his own hand in not defending Michelle and her babe's honor in seeking out their killer with a vengance, he has hurt himself in the eyes of those who study the case. That's what counts. Anything else that is out of the norm just makes us look at him a little closer. Scandi

Howdy,

I'm sure I'm the last person on earth who has not yet totally accepted the theory of Jason's affair with MM. But we have no way to debate that because the cops have the emails that Jason and Michelle exchanged with MM, and also the telephone records.

I would not excuse Jason for something like this, if it did happen, by saying he is just a red-blooded guy.

As you say, maybe Jason should pay less attention to his lawyer and his advice and behave more like a red-blooded guy seeking vengance. I think that would be my first impulse, but probably not a really mature impulse.

Maybe, instead of vengance, Jason decided that caring for Cassidy and providing a life for her was more important. I don't know that, but I like to think it.

--Jake

 

[raisincharlie]

Howdy,

Because she went to see a therapist.

--Jake

Perhaps this will help you, apparently seeing the therapist occurred shortly before her murder. If something happened over the summer months it took a while before she chose to address it.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1211049/

"We have someone who died a violent death, and it appears she sought counseling shortly before that time," Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said. "The closeness in time to her death heightened our interest and we thought it would perhaps provide insights."

 

[Samiya]

DEPUTYDAWG & Scandi,

But umm ahhh am I that bad? lol

**goes sheepishly to corner**

Sami

 

[jake]

But you were specific regarding something happening while she was on vacation or when Jason was on vacation. At either of those times, she was away from Jason.

Did Michelle take Cassidy with her to NY during that visit? And do you know in which month she went up north? I'm unclear as to how soon after the miscarriage she went up - right away, or a month, or 2 months? And when did Jason go to CA? Just curious as to the timeline.

Howdy,

I understand that Michelle did take Cassidy with her. I'm sorry, I can't help with the time line right now, but perhaps I can find out.

I believe I think whatever happened, if anything did, while they were apart. I have heard he did know she went to the therapist, but did not know what was discussed. I don't know that is true, but have heard it.

--Jake

 

[FactsareFacts]

Perhaps this will help you, apparently seeing the therapist occurred shortly before her murder. If something happened over the summer months it took a while before she chose to address it.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1211049/

"We have someone who died a violent death, and it appears she sought counseling shortly before that time," Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said. "The closeness in time to her death heightened our interest and we thought it would perhaps provide insights."

Thats what I was saying Raisin. I don't see any connection between something last summer and the therapy right before the murder. No offense to Jake but it seems like your reaching here. You have nothing to offer about anything that may have happened during the summer yet you think seeing a therapist months later has some connection to the summer? Why would you go that route and overlook the obvious? Her husband and best friend were cheating behind her back and she and Jason were having money troubles.

 

[jake]

Perhaps this will help you, apparently seeing the therapist occurred shortly before her murder. If something happened over the summer months it took a while before she chose to address it.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1211049/

"We have someone who died a violent death, and it appears she sought counseling shortly before that time," Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said. "The closeness in time to her death heightened our interest and we thought it would perhaps provide insights."

Howdy,

You and Facts raise the same question I did at the start of the evening: why did Michelle go to the therapist in October-November, if that's when she went?

My guess would be that something was bothering her, and had been bothering her for a while. And evidently the cops feel this something had something to do with her death.

--Jake