Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 18

[strach304]

That would be presumptuous of you, Scandi. It would be a slap in the face of LE for you to offer what you think is evidence. An insult. Why not just give it to your lawyer?

--Jake

I'm not a mind reader or psychic but I can read between the lines or take a hint most of the time. My hope is that whatever this works out to be that it was done with the intention of finding the true killer and not just a way to make LE look incompetent at trial.

 

[strach304]

:snooty:

ME and LE are both in CYA mode. LE says it checked the paper asking for the sex test. ME says that doesn't mean the check mark was seen or the action performed.

I think both are at fault. Before the body was released, LE should have studied the AR to see if it contained the information they needed. Why wasn't that done? They knew who killed Michelle.

I have also heard the embarrassment is only going to get worse for LE. That's just my opinion, of course, and all that jazz.

Another opinion: LE will soon apologize to the Young family. LE's treatment of Mrs. Young and her family has been unbelievably rude.

--Jake

That kind of attitude just reminds me of the Peterson's high fiving it in court when Det. Brochini had an oversight about the item mentioned on the MS show. I'm sure you didn't follow that case but it was the same defense type as you are currently insinuating. The laughing in the court room, etc. Where is Scott's a$$ sitting now? I'd advice you to be more concerned with what LE does have rather than does not.:snooty:

 

[spring]

I'm not a mind reader or psychic but I can read between the lines or take a hint most of the time. My hope is that whatever this works out to be that it was done with the intention of finding the true killer and not just a way to make LE look incompetent at trial.

i have never seen someone have so little empathy for someone who was so brutally murdered. i have never seen anything said about the intention of finding the true killer. but i agree with you, it would be nice if that were the intent, but i find your latter reason the more than likely reason.

 

[spring]

:snooty:

That kind of attitude just reminds me of the Peterson's high fiving it in court when Det. Brochini had an oversight about the item mentioned on the MS show. I'm sure you didn't follow that case but it was the same defense type as you are currently insinuating. The laughing in the court room, etc. Where is Scott's a$$ sitting now? I'd advice you to be more concerned with what LE does have rather than does not.:snooty:

there has been MONTHS of that same type of attitude in this case unfortunately. hopefully, a jury will carefully consider the attempt of a defense attorney to poke holes in what will otherwise be a strong case.

 

[jake]

:snooty:

That kind of attitude just reminds me of the Peterson's high fiving it in court when Det. Brochini had an oversight about the item mentioned on the MS show. I'm sure you didn't follow that case but it was the same defense type as you are currently insinuating. The laughing in the court room, etc. Where is Scott's a$$ sitting now? I'd advice you to be more concerned with what LE does have rather than does not.:snooty:

That makes no sense to me. What LE does NOT have is evidence to convict. That's what concerns me.

Maybe laughter and high-fiving impresses you. I guarantee you will see none of that from me or the Youngs.

--Jake

 

[Bellgardin]

That makes no sense to me. What LE does NOT have is evidence to convict. That's what concerns me.

Maybe laughter and high-fiving impresses you. I guarantee you will see none of that from me or the Youngs.

--Jake

Unless you work for LE or the prosecutor's office how would you know if the have the evidence for a conviction or not?

 

[strach304]

That makes no sense to me. What LE does NOT have is evidence to convict. That's what concerns me.

Maybe laughter and high-fiving impresses you. I guarantee you will see none of that from me or the Youngs.

--Jake

I think I made it perfectly clear in my post that I am not impressed with that kind of thing.

Your statement about the evidence LE does not have for conviction makes no sense to me. How does the fragment of tooth matter? Wouldn't any kind of sex have to have major evidence to prove that same person did in fact kill Michelle? How would a rape kit prove that anyway if a condom was used? These are the only confirmed issues that we are aware of.

 

[scandi]

+++++++++++++++++++

And it should be....what?

--Jake

I suppose that is what it should be. I think your statement of giving found possible evidence in a criminal case to the defense attorney instead of the proper authorities is the wrong way to handle it. If his client is not found by the prosecutor to be the kiiller he won't go to trial anyway. If he is guilty in the truth of the matter, why give an edge to the defense of making LE look negligent and then have the trial stopped so the prosecutor has time to then have whatever it is tested. If one is truely interested in justice this seems like a backwards and devious way of doing things.

Maybe Jason is not her killer. If he has agreed to the retaining of this item/s all of this time and then turns it over to his lawyer, in my mind it simply shows suspicion of guilt and he's gonna need any edge he can get.

 

[jake]

Unless you work for LE or the prosecutor's office how would you know if the have the evidence for a conviction or not?

No arrest.

--Jake

 

[raisincharlie]

ME and LE are both in CYA mode. LE says it checked the paper asking for the sex test. ME says that doesn't mean the check mark was seen or the action performed.

I think both are at fault. Before the body was released, LE should have studied the AR to see if it contained the information they needed. Why wasn't that done? They knew who killed Michelle.

I have also heard the embarrassment is only going to get worse for LE. That's just my opinion, of course, and all that jazz.

Another opinion: LE will soon apologize to the Young family. LE's treatment of Mrs. Young and her family has been unbelievably rude.

--Jake

LE apologizing - it would be better spent apologizing to Michelle Young for not having this murderer already behind bars IMO. As near as I can remember she is the victim in this case and no one else.

 

[jake]

I think I made it perfectly clear in my post that I am not impressed with that kind of thing.

Your statement about the evidence LE does not have for conviction makes no sense to me. How does the fragment of tooth matter? Wouldn't any kind of sex have to have major evidence to prove that same person did in fact kill Michelle? How would a rape kit prove that anyway if a condom was used? These are the only confirmed issues that we are aware of.

You lost me with the "fragment" thing. But I believe the whole tooth given to LE might prove significant at some point.

The sex thing? No telling yet how that is going to play out. I do think there is more to it than has yet been released.

--Jake

 

[athy]

You lost me with the "fragment" thing. But I believe the whole tooth given to LE might prove significant at some point.

The sex thing? No telling yet how that is going to play out. I do think there is more to it than has yet been released.

--Jake

if it is Michelle's tooth what will it prove? if it were someone else's tooth i believe we would have had an arrest already.

 

[scandi]

I think I made it perfectly clear in my post that I am not impressed with that kind of thing.

Your statement about the evidence LE does not have for conviction makes no sense to me. How does the fragment of tooth matter? Wouldn't any kind of sex have to have major evidence to prove that same person did in fact kill Michelle? How would a rape kit prove that anyway if a condom was used? These are the only confirmed issues that we are aware of.

Hi Strach, Do you mean something like a used condum as major evidence? OMG, can you imagine Jason walking into Roger Smiths office and handing something like that to him! :blushing: Oh, that's right. Jake said it wasn't a used condum!

 

[Scout]

ME and LE are both in CYA mode. LE says it checked the paper asking for the sex test. ME says that doesn't mean the check mark was seen or the action performed.

I think both are at fault. Before the body was released, LE should have studied the AR to see if it contained the information they needed. Why wasn't that done? They knew who killed Michelle.

I have also heard the embarrassment is only going to get worse for LE. That's just my opinion, of course, and all that jazz.

Another opinion: LE will soon apologize to the Young family. LE's treatment of Mrs. Young and her family has been unbelievably rude.

--Jake

There should have been representatives from both the WCSD and the CCBI present during the autopsy to make absolutely sure that all evidence was collected from the body by the ME. And the autopsy should have been performed by a qualified Medical Examiner, not an intern. This is a murder investigation. Is this the way things are usually done in NC? I guess seeing Dr. Radisch testify at the Mike Peterson trial gave me a false sense of their competency and professionalism.

I'm glad this mistake can be remedied to some extent, but it never should have happened in the first place. I'm disgusted.

 

[jake]

LE apologizing - it would be better spent apologizing to Michelle Young for not having this murderer already behind bars IMO. As near as I can remember she is the victim in this case and no one else.

Apologizing to the living carries far more weight than apologizing to the dead. And it will do far more good.

--Jake

 

[jake]

if it is Michelle's tooth what will it prove? if it were someone else's tooth i believe we would have had an arrest already.

If Michelle's tooth, why was no one looking for it? If someone else's tooth... whose? Who to arrest?

--Jake

 

[raisincharlie]

Apologizing to the living carries far more weight than apologizing to the dead. And it will do far more good.

--Jake

Well this message would be better addressed to Jason Young I think, after all he is the one who placed his own Mother in the position she found herself in didn't he ? Refusing to speak to police, leaving her outside having to deal with them -yes I believe he owes an apology to his Mom. He continues to hide and he continues to shame his family - indeed an apology would do some good, only if it is accompanied by the truth that is.

Michelle Young is the victim.

 

[strach304]

:laugh:

Hi Strach, Do you mean something like a used condum as major evidence? OMG, can you imagine Jason walking into Roger Smiths office and handing something like that to him! :blushing: Oh, that's right. Jake said it wasn't a used condum!

I was thinking something more along the lines of unidentified dna, unidentified prints in the bedroom, unidentified sperm on carpet or bed linens, etc. When you consider rape as a motive you have to consider other facts that will prove it in addition to evidence since Michelle herself can't tell us.

If you are LE and consider consensual with someone other than Jason either way LE has to prove that same one did in fact kill her rather than had sex or raped. :waitasec:

 

[spring]

Well this message would be better addressed to Jason Young I think, after all he is the one who placed his own Mother in the position she found herself in didn't he ? Refusing to speak to police, leaving her outside having to deal with them -yes I believe he owes an apology to his Mom. He continues to hide and he continues to shame his family - indeed an apology would do some good, only if it is accompanied by the truth that is.

Michelle Young is the victim.

rc, you are not holding your breath, are you? 6 months later, still wanting an apology for Ms. Young. not justice for Michelle. isn't that what it's all about? justice for a young mother who was taken from this world by someone selfish?

 

[scandi]

ITA Strach. I'm not worried about the killer walking in this case. Above all, one thing we do know is there was a young witness to the crime, whose words are vocalized in perpetuity on that 911 tape. Let the jury hear that!


ETA: There is one thing I didn't mention. I know I put together the mentioning of the package of unused condums from the original SW {even though we have no link for that} and something retained from the released crime scene to possibly be an item implying sexual use. And then to have the fact of the no rape kit testing done brought up again to us - all within a day of Amanda's article being published, with the announcement something would be breaking news in the next day or two, it all suddenly made sense to me. Especially when concerns of someone being a material witness or someone being charged with obstruction of justice was a concern.