Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom, NC. part 7

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  • #281
Taximom said:
Whew. Thought I was going nuts there for a second. (No comment from the peanut gallery please!)

I wish I had seen CCL now. When will I learn to stop assuming? :doh:

I wish you had too. I think the timing was bad as so many are busy this time of the season. I had stopped to take a break and noticed she was going to be covering it so I made sure I watched it.

IMO

Ocean
 
  • #282
Scout said:
The latest N&O article lends credence to the statement by Ed on CCL that there was something fishy about the insurance papers and will.

Scouring the laptop for financial records and correspondence with insurance companies -- sounds like some alterations may have been made in recent months...perhaps fraudulently and without Michelle Young's knowledge or consent.

Yes Ed did talk about these very issues yesterday. Could it have been a new policy that he had gotten on her when he went to work with ChartOne. Ed did comment that it was suspicious to LE but not enough to make an arrest.

IMO

Ocean
 
  • #283
Scout said:
The latest N&O article lends credence to the statement by Ed on CCL that there was something fishy about the insurance papers and will.

Scouring the laptop for financial records and correspondence with insurance companies -- sounds like some alterations may have been made in recent months...perhaps fraudulently and without Michelle Young's knowledge or consent.
Hi Scout!

If there are alterations, I wouldn't be surprised. I am surprised that there are people out there, possibly murderers, that think they can get away with something like this. Especially in this day and age. It truly boggles my mind. (I guess they are stupid enough to think they'll get away with murder...)
 
  • #284
Taximom said:
Hi Scout!

If there are alterations, I wouldn't be surprised. I am surprised that there are people out there, possibly murderers, that think they can get away with something like this. Especially in this day and age. It truly boggles my mind. (I guess they are stupid enough to think they'll get away with murder...)

Hi T-mom!

Strange that if he did make changes or get a new policy on Michelle, he was able to pull it off. My husband can't even make any changes to my IRA on my behalf. Of course, it's fairly easy to impersonate someone over the phone if you have all that personal information in front of you. Easy but illegal. Interesting stuff. I'm looking forward to reading that warrant -- probable cause, in particular. I wonder if the news organizations have been asked not to publish it yet.
 
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  • #286
Scout said:
I find the timing of everything fascinating. Check out the timeline on the issuance and return of the various warrants in relation to other activities that were taking place.

http://freecal.brownbearsw.com/MichelleYoung?Date=2006-12-07;Op=ShowIt


Scout I think that Ed mentions something about MM too when he commented on this. Could Michelle have left legal papers wanting MM to have legal custody of Cassidy in case she and Jason were deceased?

IMO

Ocean
 
  • #287
Scout said:
I find the timing of everything fascinating. Check out the timeline on the issuance and return of the various warrants in relation to other activities that were taking place.

http://freecal.brownbearsw.com/MichelleYoung?Date=2006-12-07;Op=ShowIt
In other words...Jason wasn't cooperating with LE when they were in Brevard? As in if you want to look at my pc, you need a warrant? Or did LE need the warrant anyway regardless of a POI's cooperation, or non-cooperation? TIA.

I have to run, but look forward to reading more later! :blowkiss:

When's PSA getting back???!!!
 
  • #288
Taximom said:
In other words...Jason wasn't cooperating with LE when they were in Brevard? As in if you want to look at my pc, you need a warrant? Or did LE need the warrant anyway regardless of a POI's cooperation, or non-cooperation? TIA.

I have to run, but look forward to reading more later! :blowkiss:

When's PSA getting back???!!!

I don't think Jason's consent is an issue. He's been uncooperative. They need the warrants to search and they need probable cause to obtain the warrants. One thing leads to another.
 
  • #289
oceanblueeyes said:
Scout I think that Ed mentions something about MM too when he commented on this. Could Michelle have left legal papers wanting MM to have legal custody of Cassidy in case she and Jason were deceased?

IMO

Ocean

I seriously doubt that Michelle would have wanted Cassidy raised by MM even without knowing of the affair. MM lives in Florida. MY's mom lives in NY and her sister lives in NC. According to an earlier article, MY used to make frequent trips to Sayville to visit. I would think she would want Cassidy to stay close to family rather than be made a part of someone else's family.
 
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Looks like the search warrant was returned on Fri the 22nd and the article was wrong. I thought it odd to issue a search warrant almost 2 months after the crime! Scandi
 
  • #292
scandi said:
Looks like the search warrant was returned on Fri the 22nd and the article was wrong. I thought it odd to issue a search warrant almost 2 months after the crime! Scandi
I was glad for the news. Wish the N&O had attached a link as I would rather see the warrant than a reporter's observation. Not sure this particular reporter is aware of the difference between filed and returned. It has to be a returned warrant however as warrants are not public record until returned. Of the three known computers siezed - I suspect this one might be the most telling - JMO.
 
  • #293
Charlie, if in fact the warrant has been returned it should be public. right? Where did you find the other warrants that you posted here?
 
  • #294
raisincharlie said:
I was glad for the news. Wish the N&O had attached a link as I would rather see the warrant than a reporter's observation. Not sure this particular reporter is aware of the difference between filed and returned. It has to be a returned warrant however as warrants are not public record until returned. Of the three known computers siezed - I suspect this one might be the most telling - JMO.

Exactly, rc. I expect that it was filed "Inventory Pending", but the Probable Cause section of that warrant would be interesting enough, in and of itself, imo.
 
  • #295
scandi said:
Charlie, if in fact the warrant has been returned it should be public. right? Where did you find the other warrants that you posted here?
The News & Observer posted them - they did not redact them like WRAL did. For some reason WRAL blacked out some names. The link is posted in the Links thread - noted as "better link to search warrants". Yes, only returned warrants are public record.

For some reason, there is no link to this warrant - I've looked everywhere. Hang on I'll get the link for you.

Here is the link to the previous warrants:

http://www.newsobserver.com/content/news/story_graphics/20061207_youngWarrant.pdf
 
  • #296
strach304 said:
Michele could have made Cassidy the beneficiary of her insurance with Meredith or her mother as executer for that to be held in trust for her till she is of age. I had mine set up that way for my daughters with my brother as executer. Could also explain the trouble started about Meredith to make her seem untrustworthy, something to that. In a murder case such as this if Cassidy is the beneficiary then I don't see a hold up with paying it out.
Bellgardin,

I am hoping perhaps you can lend some insight concerning Strach's thought in the last sentence of the above post. Can you tell us how this situation might work ?

Thanks
 
  • #297
raisincharlie said:
This could be very possible Strach. It will be interesting to find out. We have a fairly new poster here, Belgardin (sp) who indicated they worked in insurance for several years - perhaps they will stop by and give us their thoughts hopefully.
raisincharlie said:


Hi! I'm back! I just saw this message and thought I would weigh in. Normally, it would be that JY was the primary bene and Cassidy would be the contingent bene. In order for money to be held "in trust" for a child, there has to be an actual trust set up prior to the insured's death. If JY is a suspect (and the insurance co. will know if he is or not), there is no way the insurance proceeds will be paid out. If the bene agreement is like I think it is, above, then the money will be in limbo until either he is no longer considered as suspect or is convicted of the crime, then it would go to Cassidy as contingent bene.

I do not recommend naming your minor kids as bene's on your insurance policy unless you have no other choice because the payout process is complicated. There are usually 3 options for a minor bene (at least where I worked!): 1. If the amount of money is under a state guideline amount (obviously varies by state) then the money can be paid to a parent after they sign a form that basically says that they know the money is for their child, not them. This protects the ins. co. from future suits from the child when they grow up and realize they didn't get their money! 2. The money can be put into an interest bearing account by the ins. co. that stays there until the child turns the age of majority in their state. 3. Someone can go to court and have themselves appointed as a guardian for the minor and their finances. This is not as easy as it seems, and just because you are your child's parent, it does not mean that you can automatically receive the money. When you are court appointed, that means you are held responsible by the court for the money and where it goes. This is done to protect the interests of the child.

This is all dependent on who the bene is and whether or not a claim has even been made.

I'll repeat this about JY just in case anyone missed my previous post. I would love to know if her insurance co. has been contacted and if so, has money been paid out, because that would be the most telling information. If he is considered a suspect, there is no way he is going to get that money. Even if the detective tells the claims person at the ins. co. that they don't have enough evidence to charge yet, they will wait. I had one claim in particular where a guy and his son were suspects in the mother/grandmother's death and I was in regular contact with the detective to see how the case was going. The man's wife called me right before he was about to be charged and threatened to sue me (yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I never heard that before!). The detective asked me to stall payment because they were going to arrest them soon and it was going to go to trial. And, I was asked not to inform the bene or anyone else that called about that.

That job is why evil things that people do to each other do not surprise me anymore, and I will be surprised if JY is not eventually charged and convicted of MY's murder. I've found in my experience that usually the reasons why people murder are the most simple ones-money, infidelity, etc... People look for conspiracy theories and far-fetched scenarios when it's usually depressingly simple-for whatever reason, someone who they trusted wanted them dead.

Wow! I was long winded! Sorry! Everyone have a safe and wonderful holiday!!!!

BellGardin
 
  • #298
Bellgardin said:
raisincharlie said:
This could be very possible Strach. It will be interesting to find out. We have a fairly new poster here, Belgardin (sp) who indicated they worked in insurance for several years - perhaps they will stop by and give us their thoughts hopefully.
raisincharlie said:
Hi! I'm back! I just saw this message and thought I would weigh in. Normally, it would be that JY was the primary bene and Cassidy would be the contingent bene. In order for money to be held "in trust" for a child, there has to be an actual trust set up prior to the insured's death. If JY is a suspect (and the insurance co. will know if he is or not), there is no way the insurance proceeds will be paid out. If the bene agreement is like I think it is, above, then the money will be in limbo until either he is no longer considered as suspect or is convicted of the crime, then it would go to Cassidy as contingent bene.

I do not recommend naming your minor kids as bene's on your insurance policy unless you have no other choice because the payout process is complicated. There are usually 3 options for a minor bene (at least where I worked!): 1. If the amount of money is under a state guideline amount (obviously varies by state) then the money can be paid to a parent after they sign a form that basically says that they know the money is for their child, not them. This protects the ins. co. from future suits from the child when they grow up and realize they didn't get their money! 2. The money can be put into an interest bearing account by the ins. co. that stays there until the child turns the age of majority in their state. 3. Someone can go to court and have themselves appointed as a guardian for the minor and their finances. This is not as easy as it seems, and just because you are your child's parent, it does not mean that you can automatically receive the money. When you are court appointed, that means you are held responsible by the court for the money and where it goes. This is done to protect the interests of the child.

This is all dependent on who the bene is and whether or not a claim has even been made.

I'll repeat this about JY just in case anyone missed my previous post. I would love to know if her insurance co. has been contacted and if so, has money been paid out, because that would be the most telling information. If he is considered a suspect, there is no way he is going to get that money. Even if the detective tells the claims person at the ins. co. that they don't have enough evidence to charge yet, they will wait. I had one claim in particular where a guy and his son were suspects in the mother/grandmother's death and I was in regular contact with the detective to see how the case was going. The man's wife called me right before he was about to be charged and threatened to sue me (yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I never heard that before!). The detective asked me to stall payment because they were going to arrest them soon and it was going to go to trial. And, I was asked not to inform the bene or anyone else that called about that.

That job is why evil things that people do to each other do not surprise me anymore, and I will be surprised if JY is not eventually charged and convicted of MY's murder. I've found in my experience that usually the reasons why people murder are the most simple ones-money, infidelity, etc... People look for conspiracy theories and far-fetched scenarios when it's usually depressingly simple-for whatever reason, someone who they trusted wanted them dead.

Wow! I was long winded! Sorry! Everyone have a safe and wonderful holiday!!!!

BellGardin
Awesome BellGardin - the insight is greatly appreciated. As you clamor through this thread you will note a reporter has said there was something questionable about the wills and possibly the insurance. Rumor has it there is a 1 million $ policy involved here. So it seems it may be a possible motivator, especially if questionable things were done or attempted prior to MY's murder. Again thank you for your post and insight ! :woohoo:

Happy Holidays to you !
 
  • #299
WRAL has finally posted something about the lap top siezure, nothing really different, however I'm posting the link as it has a nice summary of articles to date listed on the right. Might be handy:


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1116706/

"Wake County sheriff’s deputies are scouring a laptop computer seized from the car of Jason Young, husband of murder victim Michelle Young, WRAL learned Saturday.

Search warrants indicate they are looking on the computer for financial records, correspondence with insurance companies and other evidence that might help them find the person who beat the pregnant mother to death in her home."
 
  • #300
Raisincharlie, I went back through and read about the insurance papers and wills. There is no real way to know what they thought was suspicious towards JY regarding the insurance unless they just come out with it. But, I had this thought-what if she recently changed the beneficiary to someone else, besides JY? Cassidy or perhaps her mom and/or dad or sister? Maybe she knew about the affair earlier than we know and she just confronted JY the night of her murder (which is what I think happened). Either that, or perhaps he was going to miraculously come up with a signed bene agreement changing the bene to him? Or maybe he forged her name on a beneficiary agreement, I don't know. I hate all these cryptic clues, and I'm nosy anyway, so I like to know everything!

Anyway, this is a high profile case, and even if the ins. co. didn't have any idea who MY is-I guarantee they do know!!! The insurance company would have looked at this claim VERY closely anway because of the amount. They won't pay $1Mil tax free to just anyone. Especially if that person is a suspect.

Regarding post #296, if Cassidy is the primary bene, the only holdup would be who is going to be court appointed to be her guardian for the $1mill. Again, it's not going to be able to paid out directly to her because she's a minor. And if he's a suspect in MY's murder, the judge may not want to appoint him as her guardian and give him access to those funds that legally he cannot have access to if he was responsible for her murder.

I hope this helps. Any other questions???

BG
 
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