Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 2

[Taximom]

ok here goes ....as reported on news at WRAL - no link for their website yet

(snipped)

Thank you for that.

I hope we get more "hints" tonight on NG or Greta.

 

[otto]

Ok, I feel better that I sort of watched the video. With all this noise in the house it's hard to hear. However, I will watch it again when it gets quieter.

Computers are funny things ... one button here, another there and it all works great or totally all messes up.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

The Liana White case is in trial right now. The husband murdered the pregnant wife (there's so much evidence it has to come out guilty, in my opinion) and there is a 2 year old daughter. Sometimes men murder their pregnant wives even though there are children.

I'm leaning towards the whole idea of Jason being the follower and Michelle being the energy in the marriage. It almost looks like a shotgun wedding and it does look like Michelle was the financial backbone of the family. Just like in the Peterson case, Michelle talking about spending time childrearing may have added financial strain that Jason didn't know how to handle. I read that Jason changed jobs because of higher earning potential, but what was wrong with the job he had before? Had he hit the glass ceiling in terms of salary advancements? Is the new job a commission based position and does that mean that he had to work that much harder independently than he did before? Is Jason the type of person that is a self starter and would manage well in a traveling sales position or was this job looking like a lot of work for someone with his personality?

I'm just wondering ... many of us, me included, think men murder pregnant wives because they don't want the responsibility of family. It also seems to come up over and over again that the wives are talking about reducing the family income by one salary. This may be the real reason that men murder. They can't admit that they are unable to maintain their lifestyle on their salary and they don't want to reduce their standard of living.

I am not familiar with the case you mentioned. In my line of thinking I guess that Jason could keep Cassidy and himself in a nice manner if the payout was enough. Also being a widower with a small child, he may be able to gain sympathy of those who would look at his situation and take pity. (This is only speculation.) I haven't heard enough about his personality to "judge" his character or anything- only what "friends" have posted. What I have read about Michelle or heard was that she was a "take charge" kind of person and that she was a high achiever. Can a person percieve the "I want to stay home with the kids" as a threat? My husband wanted me to stay home because he is the "breadwinner"- perhaps a "rare bread" of man? (Not a slam against men in general- please don't take offense.) I don't always think that the men who murder their pregnant "mates" are always thinking about the responsibility of family, but perhaps murder more for the sake of money. Responsibility often equals money in "manspeak".

 

[PrayersForMaura]

ok....i'm figuring i'll really get blasted for this, but what if JY was 'in the closet'?....

I was thinking the same thing, don't feel bad. We're only human. It's logical for some of us to assume these things. No lambasting from me

 

[strach304]

I complained about the trailer park and the 15 yr old. I understand the rental thing as per the trailer park and wasn't trying to spark a controversy- I don't know why it bugs me- I think stereotyping gets me. The 15 year old was kind of being chastised for "odd" behavior and that just didn't seem enough for the "accusations" on the other board about him. I'm sorry if I offended you. I understand the speculations- as I am doing that here. (I think I "work" from the inside out and sometimes don't look far enough outside the box...)

I wasn't offended at all I was just explaining for all of the other posters remarks and mine where we discussed that because I didn't get the impression here that anyone was stereotyping on this forum. We just had an honest interest. Same thing with the 15 year old neighbor.

Otto, I also had the "unless it was a late gift" thought as well but didn't post it because it adds one more bizarre aspect to fax story.

 

[jilly]

Pack, thanks for the link but I've already tried it and I can't view it. It's making me crazy.

I'm in the same boat as you mrsmush - pretty frustratin'! When I click onto it, it flashes "loading'" for a split second and then nothing happens.

 

[jilly]

Hiring a lawyer in no way makes you look guilty. Hiding behind your lawyer and using the my attorney said...not to cooperate, not to talk, not to go on TV and ask for any info, etc. etc...does, imo.

I think anyone who could be suspected of a crime should get an attorney, but they should never NOT cooperate with LE.

Well said akgal! Also, the subject of the Duke case keeps popping up. I seem to remember some or all of those boys giving TV INTERVIEWS after they lawyered up for the purpose of speaking to the Court of Public Opinion.

Wade Smith is involved in that case but I don't remember who he represents. Maybe he's not for this tactic.

 

[otto]

I wasn't offended at all I was just explaining for all of the other posters remarks and mine where we discussed that because I didn't get the impression here that anyone was stereotyping on this forum. We just had an honest interest. Same thing with the 15 year old neighbor.

Otto, I also had the "unless it was a late gift" thought as well but didn't post it because it adds one more bizarre aspect to fax story.

They just had their 3rd wedding anniversary in October. The person defending Jason on another board (don't even know which one anymore) explained that Jason had purchased a leather purse for the leather third anniversary so we shouldn't question that he didn't want Michelle to see the fax. Seems to me that if Jason missed the anniversary and then bought a purse, it wouldn't matter if she saw it because they already had the discussion about him messing up and not getting an anniversary gift. It is coming up totally bizarre like the LV wallet for Laci, the one she already had but was supposedly a Christmas present.

 

[close_enough]

ok here goes ....as reported on news at WRAL - no link for their website yet

"Today the Wake County Sherriff's Office released the crime scene where someone killed a pregnant woman. The tape is down from outside the Wake County home. Michelle Young was found dead there 2 weeks ago. Today Sherriff's Deputies canvassed the mobile home community behind the subdivision. No arrests have been made yet in this case."

They showed the house and the flower arrangements are still there but all the tape is gone now.....

Thanks goodness for DVR LOL

thanks Topsail....

with what the Sheriff said last night, 'that everything is progressing, & they've gathered a lot of evidence'...something should break in this case in the near future??......(maybe that's wishful thinking, though)

 

[close_enough]

They just had their 3rd wedding anniversary in October. The person defending Jason on another board (don't even know which one anymore) explained that Jason had purchased a leather purse for the leather third anniversary so we shouldn't question that he didn't want Michelle to see the fax. Seems to me that if Jason missed the anniversary and then bought a purse, it wouldn't matter if she saw it because they already had the discussion about him messing up and not getting an anniversary gift. It is coming up totally bizarre like the LV wallet for Laci, the one she already had but was supposedly a Christmas present.

LOL....i've only been here, & i lurk at CTV from time to time, but i'm aware this case is being discussed all over the place ... (crime boards/news sites)

i tried to go to two other boards...i think the links were poste here, back on the 1st thread; not sure...i kept getting errors & just gave up, so it's here & ctv.....

 

[raisincharlie]

I am not familiar with the case you mentioned. In my line of thinking I guess that Jason could keep Cassidy and himself in a nice manner if the payout was enough. Also being a widower with a small child, he may be able to gain sympathy of those who would look at his situation and take pity. (This is only speculation.) I haven't heard enough about his personality to "judge" his character or anything- only what "friends" have posted. What I have read about Michelle or heard was that she was a "take charge" kind of person and that she was a high achiever. Can a person percieve the "I want to stay home with the kids" as a threat? My husband wanted me to stay home because he is the "breadwinner"- perhaps a "rare bread" of man? (Not a slam against men in general- please don't take offense.) I don't always think that the men who murder their pregnant "mates" are always thinking about the responsibility of family, but perhaps murder more for the sake of money. Responsibility often equals money in "manspeak".

I think there are a combination of things here so I'll add a couple - I'm going to try to speak without offending anyone but if I do - please accept my apology in advance. I know I shouldn't go here - no Dr. Rufus but.

I agree, responsibility often equates to money, how well is the family cared for, can my wife and kids have what they need and want, how many toys can I still have and can I have the time and space to enjoy my toys ? That sounds a tad selfish but it really isn't. Boys are raised wanting and needing toys - it doesn't exactly ever go away.

Independence - as boys we are raised a bit more independently - it is a difficult aspect to surrender as it may be directly impacted by the addition of more immediate family. Some men may see the addition of a wife as a wonderful thing but as the children come, the independence and freedoms appear to decrease. Some can handle it, some can't - like everything it is what you make of it.

Strong, independent women are an incredible aphrodisiac IMO - can't speak for other fellows. Generally most aphrodisiacs wane over time however. But problems often can arise if the male ego starts feeling a bit small in comparison or challenged. This however IMO is entirely dependent on the fellow and his own sense of security with himself. Some think they can deal with a strong independent partner but find out too late they cannot. I do know guys that have trouble with their wife making more money than they do. Again, some can handle it, some can not.

Just a couple of thoughts. Don't kill me fella's.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The Liana White case is in trial right now. The husband murdered the pregnant wife (there's so much evidence it has to come out guilty, in my opinion) and there is a 2 year old daughter. Sometimes men murder their pregnant wives even though there are children.

I'm leaning towards the whole idea of Jason being the follower and Michelle being the energy in the marriage. It almost looks like a shotgun wedding and it does look like Michelle was the financial backbone of the family. Just like in the Peterson case, Michelle talking about spending time childrearing may have added financial strain that Jason didn't know how to handle. I read that Jason changed jobs because of higher earning potential, but what was wrong with the job he had before? Had he hit the glass ceiling in terms of salary advancements? Is the new job a commission based position and does that mean that he had to work that much harder independently than he did before? Is Jason the type of person that is a self starter and would manage well in a traveling sales position or was this job looking like a lot of work for someone with his personality?

I'm just wondering ... many of us, me included, think men murder pregnant wives because they don't want the responsibility of family. It also seems to come up over and over again that the wives are talking about reducing the family income by one salary. This may be the real reason that men murder. They can't admit that they are unable to maintain their lifestyle on their salary and they don't want to reduce their standard of living.

How far along was Liana when he killed her?

I dont know... if he was with a software company that sold to medical departments he could have made major bucks. He may have even worked more than one state. Sales people that sell anything connected to the medical profession usually have a high income.

I think they probably both had good salaries and could afford most of what they wanted within reason of course. It is sad... they seemed to be the typical all American family.


IMO

Ocean

 

[Boyz_Mum]

I wasn't offended at all I was just explaining for all of the other posters remarks and mine where we discussed that because I didn't get the impression here that anyone was stereotyping on this forum. We just had an honest interest. Same thing with the 15 year old neighbor.

Otto, I also had the "unless it was a late gift" thought as well but didn't post it because it adds one more bizarre aspect to fax story.

I am glad I didn't offend you. I don't think this forum is of the like that does stereotype either. I was probably venting here because it's safe! LOL! Again, the same with the 15 year old- this is a safe place to open up.

 

[SewingDeb]

How far along was Liana when he killed her?

I dont know... if he was with a software company that sold to medical departments he could have made major bucks. He may have even worked more than one state. Sales people that sell anything connected to the medical profession usually have a high income.

I think they probably both had good salaries and could afford most of what they wanted within reason of course. It is sad... they seemed to be the typical all American family.


IMO

Ocean

I beleive she was also 4 months along. Reading articles from the trial, testimony was that Michael dropped to his knees and sobbed when her body was found. He put on a good act, imo.

 

[fran]

Here's another question - since the sheriff has said the ME has not returned a TOD as yet - what narrowed the timeline to 6 am ? I suppose the condition of the body...but?

FWIW, I'm thinking 6 am because it would then be daylight??? Perhaps they have a witness that went by the property, either by car or on a jogging routine and didn't see any cars in the driveway??

JMHO
fran

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think there are a combination of things here so I'll add a couple - I'm going to try to speak without offending anyone but if I do - please accept my apology in advance. I know I shouldn't go here - no Dr. Rufus but.

I agree, responsibility often equates to money, how well is the family cared for, can my wife and kids have what they need and want, how many toys can I still have and can I have the time and space to enjoy my toys ? That sounds a tad selfish but it really isn't. Boys are raised wanting and needing toys - it doesn't exactly ever go away.

Independence - as boys we are raised a bit more independently - it is a difficult aspect to surrender as it may be directly impacted by the addition of more immediate family. Some men may see the addition of a wife as a wonderful thing but as the children come, the independence and freedoms appear to decrease. Some can handle it, some can't - like everything it is what you make of it.

Strong, independent women are an incredible aphrodisiac IMO - can't speak for other fellows. Generally most aphrodisiacs wane over time however. But problems often can arise if the male ego starts feeling a bit small in comparison or challenged. This however IMO is entirely dependent on the fellow and his own sense of security with himself. Some think they can deal with a strong independent partner but find out too late they cannot. I do know guys that have trouble with their wife making more money than they do. Again, some can handle it, some can not.

Just a couple of thoughts. Don't kill me fella's.

I couldn't help but chuckle Charlie when you talk about guys and their "toys". I love to see my hubby so excited about getting a new boat, ATV, shotgun or the latest new fang-dangle riding lawn mower (which I am buying him for Christmas). I think he deserves anything he wants within reason and he is a very reasonable man.

Dont ever think us girls dont like our "toys" either. We just have a tendency to do it a little along all through the year than a major purchase at one time.

But you are right, if the guy feels left out of the overall family unit some do not adjust well to that and I cant say that I blame them. I have seen many a man put on the back burner and vice versa.

I think times have changed some though and men are more comfortable if their wife should make more income which is still rare but is happening more than it use to...

My hubby and I have never been competitors, vying for first place.

IMO

Ocean

 

[close_enough]

Glad you found it ! On one of the boards someone indicated that the Youngs had called the police as they heard a loud argument going on in the woods - again that was another board and certainly unsubstantiated at this point - but it could be. In Greta's interview with the sheriff - he said it is a quiet neighborhood with no problems however.

I did see that article where Fussell said Jason had said his meeting was in VA, so at least if this guy told the reporter the truth of what he heard, it is reasonable to assume Jason was in VA for a meeting. Something to work with but still a good drive from his folks.

i have a suspicion that JY was doing a lot of driving....i also tend to think that there was some kind of "business meeting" ... something brief w/a business associate, that can be verified.....JY has told friends it was an "early morning" meeting......ok, he shows up at this meeting somewhere... 6:30 am???..7 am?..8 or 9??...1 hour meeting, then heads to his parents.....

i really want to know when he pulled up at his parents home on Friday..

 

[fran]

I should know this by now having followed a few cases with you super sleuthers but, how long does it take for rigor to set in ? I recall Meredith saying the body was cold and stiff in the 911 call.

Dr. Baden said 10 hours, I believe. That's where I got the idea she may have been dead since at least 3:30 a.m.

JMHO
fran

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I believe she was also 4 months along. Reading articles from the trial, testimony was that Michael dropped to his knees and sobbed when her body was found. He put on a good act, imo.

Well lets hope Jason wasn't acting when he did the same thing. I know when my ex lost his little 8 year old sister suddenly, when they came and told us he passed out in the yard and fell straight back striking his head on a concrete planter and had to have stitches.

So I am hoping for Cassidy's sake and all that loved Michelle and the baby that his grief is genuine.

Has there been any news about an arrest yet? I noticed they checked the trailer park today, right?

IMO

Ocean

 

[oceanblueeyes]

i have a suspicion that JY was doing a lot of driving....i also tend to think that there was some kind of "business meeting" ... something brief w/a business associate, that can be verified.....JY has told friends it was an "early morning" meeting......ok, he shows up at this meeting somewhere... 6:30 am???..7 am?..8 or 9??...1 hour meeting, then heads to his parents.....

i really want to know when he pulled up at his parents home on Friday..

I wonder if he perhaps had met someone along his sales route that he became interested in the past three months?

That is, if he has anything to do with this.

IMO

Ocean