Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 2

[Boyz_Mum]

http://www.newsobserver.com/media/2006/11/07/02/reg-1450667-923902.embedded.jpg http://www.modbee.com/images/photogallery/peterson/family/picture018.jpg

Michelle.....................Laci


Another Laci: http://www.modbee.com/images/photogallery/peterson/family/picture008.jpg

Aside from their similar appearances, they seem to have a lot of qualities similar. Both educated and independent women, both well liked cheerleaders in school, and through the other thread on this topic most of us seemed to think the crime itself was sort of reminiscent of SP. Very eery?

 

[otto]

Okay, went to the MeM site and it says I need a broadband connection- does that mean I can't view the movie as I have a modem? I am so computer ignorant- I'm sorry!

I think it means that it is a big file and won't load for you without high speed internet. It's all the pictures from the powerpoint presentation in a movie format. Each one peels down and another one zooms in, but it's the same set of photos.

 

[MrsMush99]

How much does Michelle have in common with Laci??

Michelle ........................... Laci

sigh Seeing those pictures of Laci make me so sad. It's going to be 4 years soon, I can't believe it.

 

[MrsMush99]

I just saw a picture of the dog. I think might have gone after the murderer. I still say check the dogs teeth!!! Unless of course it was Jason and then the dog probably wouldn't have done anything. I'm wondering if they checked McKenzie's teeth when Laci went missing.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

I think it means that it is a big file and won't load for you without high speed internet. It's all the pictures from the powerpoint presentation in a movie format. Each one peels down and another one zooms in, but it's the same set of photos.

Thanks otto! I can't get it to load and it must be because of my dial up.

I am very confused about the dog situation- most dogs are protective (even breeds that are very laid back) and I guess I still feel a stranger wouldn't have a good chance of being in a home with a dog present.

 

[Shadow205]

About the Dog, here's a link to the memorial movie which scrolls through most of the pictures that were posted on the obituary page. There was a picture on a large black dog that looked to me like a rottweiler sitting next to a small child that I assumed was Cassidy. Here's the link: http://brownwynne.mem.com/movie/MovingMemories.asp?ID=1581967&mm=0&bhcp=1 but I haven't looked at it in a couple of days so I don't know if the picture with the dog is included.

otto,

Thank you so much for posting the link to that. That is what I have been talking about all day that I thought had been removed. Still not sure why it doesn't come up when searching for it by her name. None of the pics of JY have been removed, it is the same as it was when first posted. How did you find it anyway?

 

[akgal]

I'm sure most people know how labs are, they are great with children, but also very protective. Also the dog would be very protective of Michelle, since it was her dog?

They also bark at the littlest thing, so if someone was trying to break in, the dog would have gone crazy. I wonder if he was penned up or let out during the murder. I don't think they had a fenced yard, right? Do they have a garage?

We had a lab a few years ago when my son was little. When my husband was at work the dog was so protective of me and my baby. He originally belonged to my husband, but completely adopted me when I came into the picture, which sometimes irritated me a little, he was always in the way!!

As our little boy got older 6 mos to a year, our dog would let him crawl all over him and he would always have handfuls of hair in his little hands. He (the dog) never once growled or made any menacing move towards the baby. When he'd had enough he would go out of the room and take a break.

I don't see that dog letting a stranger get near Michelle or Cassidy. This is just based on my own personal experience with labs. Also, ours was part rotweiller, but looked and acted just like a lab. Could be why he was more protective?

 

[pack_fan]

I'm sure most people know how labs are, they are great with children, but also very protective. Also the dog would be very protective of Michelle, since it was her dog?

They also bark at the littlest thing, so if someone was trying to break in, the dog would have gone crazy. I wonder if he was penned up or let out during the murder. I don't think they had a fenced yard, right? Do they have a garage?

We had a lab a few years ago when my son was little. When my husband was at work the dog was so protective of me and my baby. He originally belonged to my husband, but completely adopted me when I came into the picture, which sometimes irritated me a little, he was always in the way!!

As our little boy got older 6 mos to a year, our dog would let him crawl all over him and he would always have handfuls of hair in his little hands. He (the dog) never once growled or made any menacing move towards the baby. When he'd had enough he would go out of the room and take a break.

I don't see that dog letting a stranger get near Michelle or Cassidy. This is just based on my own personal experience with labs. Also, ours was part rotweiller, but looked and acted just like a lab. Could be why he was more protective?

I can't speak of the nature of this dog. Each one has it's own personality. We have two, one passed not long ago, but they were completely different. One barked at anything that moved. The other, which we still have would gladly show a burgler the way to the :laugh: valuables in the house. The only time she EVER barks is when the doorbell rings. One very protective, one not. I would like to believe that this one would have taken a bite out of the assailant but never know. Worth checking.

They had a large fenced yard and a garage.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

I'm sure most people know how labs are, they are great with children, but also very protective. Also the dog would be very protective of Michelle, since it was her dog?

They also bark at the littlest thing, so if someone was trying to break in, the dog would have gone crazy. I wonder if he was penned up or let out during the murder. I don't think they had a fenced yard, right? Do they have a garage?

We had a lab a few years ago when my son was little. When my husband was at work the dog was so protective of me and my baby. He originally belonged to my husband, but completely adopted me when I came into the picture, which sometimes irritated me a little, he was always in the way!!

As our little boy got older 6 mos to a year, our dog would let him crawl all over him and he would always have handfuls of hair in his little hands. He (the dog) never once growled or made any menacing move towards the baby. When he'd had enough he would go out of the room and take a break.

I don't see that dog letting a stranger get near Michelle or Cassidy. This is just based on my own personal experience with labs. Also, ours was part rotweiller, but looked and acted just like a lab. Could be why he was more protective?

I am on the same page with you on the dog. I have a huge lab mix and he will break restraints if he even thinks one of the kids in jeopardy. It sounds silly but his "personality" is very mild and fun until he thinks there is danger. Had a rott before too, she was protective of pregnant me (at the time) and wouldn't let anyone but me handle the baby once he was born. (Both dogs I mentioned also lay under my feet no matter where I am or was, I don't know why but they make good leg warmers! Or trip me 3 times a day!)

Even if the dog was contained in the home (ie: caged) I firmly believe that even a mild dog when threatened can and will get out if he senses danger. If it was Jason who commited the crime- maybe the dog wouldn't sense danger because Jason "belonged"?

 

[otto]

otto,

Thank you so much for posting the link to that. That is what I have been talking about all day that I thought had been removed. Still not sure why it doesn't come up when searching for it by her name. None of the pics of JY have been removed, it is the same as it was when first posted. How did you find it anyway?

I looked at all the links of the obituary when it was first posted and the movie link was still in my computer history. The other links all come up as: "This page has been accessed incorrectly. Please click the back button on your browser and try again." It could be that it the links were supposed taken down but the movie is linked through a different part of the site.

 

[akgal]

A few thoughts after watching the picture memorial:

There were a few pictures in there that really reminded me of Laci.

I wonder who picked out the pictures for that? There was only one full on face shot of Jason and that was near the end.

While I think the baby should have been included in pictures of her and Michelle together, it seemed almost more of a memorial to Cassidy, because of all the pictures of her alone or with other people (G-Ma, maybe?) Unless those were pictures of Michelle when she was little? I'm talking about the baby pictures after the pictures of Michelle as a young adult.

One last thing, Michelle's family should get alot of pictures of Michelle and Jason out on TV and things, just in case somebody recognises him, like Amber did (why is my boyfriend on TV with that missing woman... type thing). Especially since it seems like Jason is staying out of the media spot light. JMO.

 

[otto]

I am on the same page with you on the dog. I have a huge lab mix and he will break restraints if he even thinks one of the kids in jeopardy. It sounds silly but his "personality" is very mild and fun until he thinks there is danger. Had a rott before too, she was protective of pregnant me (at the time) and wouldn't let anyone but me handle the baby once he was born. (Both dogs I mentioned also lay under my feet no matter where I am or was, I don't know why but they make good leg warmers! Or trip me 3 times a day!)

Even if the dog was contained in the home (ie: caged) I firmly believe that even a mild dog when threatened can and will get out if he senses danger. If it was Jason who commited the crime- maybe the dog wouldn't sense danger because Jason "belonged"?

I have two large dogs. They bark like mad when anyone comes near the house. Unless debarked (which kind of defeats the watchdog idea), I think large dogs are programmed to alert their owners to strangers in the family territory. The Young's dog should have made quite a fuss if someone was at the door or around the house. Regarding reports that the family had heard scratching by the back door a couple of times but ignored it, that doesn't really sound like the sort of thing one would discuss around the water cooler or at all. Furthermore, if there was scratching at the back door, what was their dog doing at the time?

I was reading somewhere else about how Michelle had pregnancy brain and may have left the door unlocked. I don't know if I believe this. Pregnancy brain or not, a 29 year old woman staying alone in a large house with a 2 year old female child would probably take the time to go room to room making sure everything was locked up tight ... almost like a routine.

 

[raisincharlie]

rasincharlie,

If I may point out and clarify something that you posted, you said:

17. MY's family strip all pics of JY off MY's website.

Rumors well, take them for what they are worth - not much. I don't know for sure that the pictures of JY were removed from the website by MY's family. I'm not sure the website is even working or the circumstances of its initial invention. It may have been strictly a temporary site and this could just mean time is up or it could have been closed by the owner, whoever that might be. So I think it might be best to not read much into that unless the site comes back up and indeed all the pictures have been altered - then we can read something into that.

Just to clarify things. I did not say that MY's family stipped all of JY's pictures off of MY's website. Here is my posts related to the pics on the memorial site:
#851

Those of you who have been following/posting on this thread from the beginning will remember the slide show of pictures of Michelle that were at the link with the obit. Included in those pictures were pictures of her and Jason at their wedding and other pictures of them together. It seems that everything has been removed from the site, the obit and the picture memorial are no longer there.
At first I thought that the link was just not working but I searched the site for her memorial and it is no longer there. IMO, this could say a lot as to what her familt think happened. I'm sure if they suspect Jason now, they would not have wanted that memorial to remain the way it was with him in almost all of the pictures.

#854
I found an article which mentions the link for the memorial/obit

http://rdu.news14.com/content/your_....asp?ArID=94112

Go to the above link and then click on this link
To read Michelle Young's obituary, view a picture slideshow of her or write a tribute, click here.

I think that it is very interesting that everything has been removed.

#868
No, Michelle's was a MeM(making everlasting memories) web page. These are a 90 day web page honoring your loved one. You can read more about how the web site works at this link : http://www.mem.com/products/announc...nnouncement.asp

I was going to bring this over to the new thread anyway because I do think that it is very strange that the entire memorial site has been taken down. It is one of the sites used by many funeral homes that also has an are where you can sign the guest book or write a tribute. These are normally posted within a very short time of someone writting one in memory of the deceased. I thought it rather strange all along that they were never posted on the MY's memorial. There was a counter which showed hoe many had been written but they were never posted. Now the entire memorial is gone. Yes, I find that very strange.

Shadow 205,

My responses were in response to PSAs list, blue was the listed items, black was my thought. Quess I should have posted that with PSAs original post included to avoid confusion.

Given that Otto has reposted the link and it works, apparently #17 on PSAs list can be removed as there remain to be pictures of Jason on that site and apparently it has not been altered to exclude him. That was the point of my response - we had a link that did not work but it did not IMO mean that family members discontinued it or altered it to exclude pictures of Jason. Its okay to leap, but having information, correct information, may alter where one leaps and the outcome of the leap. I wasn't quite willing to assume that because the link no longer worked that it meant anything at all.

If my comment has offended you, I do apologize, no offense was meant I assure you.

 

[Topsail Girl]

Hi Everyone,


I haven't been here since August 2004 officially but I've actually been lurking some the last few days. I've tried to read as much of both threads as I could before becoming cross eyed and I have a few questions/thoughts. I don't know if either scenarios have been brought up and discussed so please excuse me if they have. If JY left on Thursday night to go to a business meeting on Friday morning and then swing by his parents for a visit then it is possible that he was going to spend the night on Friday night and make the drive back to Raleigh on Saturday. This MIGHT explain why it seemed such a long drive from any point in Virginia to Brevard. (he was taking an extra day so not worrying too much about the drive time after his meeting) Just a thought.

Second thing - I have a lab and mine is the kind that would greet you at the door with a bark/growl and after you pet her she'd show you all the valuables in the house. If Michelle's dog was the protective type and took a bite of an intruder then the dog couldn't have been kenneled. If he was free to roam the home then there should have been bloody paw prints as well as bloody foot prints from the Cassidy....provided the bedroom door was open. Which leads me to wonder if the door was traditionally closed while Michelle and Jason slept or if Cassidy possibly opened the door the next morning looking for her mommy.

I hope y'all can follow my thoughts LOL

 

[jilly]

I was reading somewhere else about how Michelle had pregnancy brain and may have left the door unlocked. I don't know if I believe this. Pregnancy brain or not, a 29 year old woman staying alone in a large house with a 2 year old female child would probably take the time to go room to room making sure everything was locked up tight ... almost like a routine.

Especially when she probably saw her guests out of the door. For me it would be automatic to lock the door after them.

 

[akgal]

Hi Everyone,


Second thing - I have a lab and mine is the kind that would greet you at the door with a bark/growl and after you pet her she'd show you all the valuables in the house. If Michelle's dog was the protective type and took a bite of an intruder then the dog couldn't have been kenneled. If he was free to roam the home then there should have been bloody paw prints as well as bloody foot prints from the Cassidy....provided the bedroom door was open. Which leads me to wonder if the door was traditionally closed while Michelle and Jason slept or if Cassidy possibly opened the door the next morning looking for her mommy.

I hope y'all can follow my thoughts LOL

Our dog would do that, too. I never had the chance to see how he would react if there was a real threat, thank goodness, but I do know I always felt much safer with him. Except taking him on walks, I felt safe from people, but he liked to scare the moose and then they would chase me. He caused me to be chased 3 different times by moose. Most people are just intimidated by big dogs, especially ones that bark loud. JMO

 

[otto]

Hi Everyone,


I haven't been here since August 2004 officially but I've actually been lurking some the last few days. I've tried to read as much of both threads as I could before becoming cross eyed and I have a few questions/thoughts. I don't know if either scenarios have been brought up and discussed so please excuse me if they have. If JY left on Thursday night to go to a business meeting on Friday morning and then swing by his parents for a visit then it is possible that he was going to spend the night on Friday night and make the drive back to Raleigh on Saturday. This MIGHT explain why it seemed such a long drive from any point in Virginia to Brevard. (he was taking an extra day so not worrying too much about the drive time after his meeting) Just a thought.

Second thing - I have a lab and mine is the kind that would greet you at the door with a bark/growl and after you pet her she'd show you all the valuables in the house. If Michelle's dog was the protective type and took a bite of an intruder then the dog couldn't have been kenneled. If he was free to roam the home then there should have been bloody paw prints as well as bloody foot prints from the Cassidy....provided the bedroom door was open. Which leads me to wonder if the door was traditionally closed while Michelle and Jason slept or if Cassidy possibly opened the door the next morning looking for her mommy.

I hope y'all can follow my thoughts LOL

Some people keep their dogs kenneled at night - hadn't thought of that. It still should have made some noise with an intruder and I, for one, would have a telephone in my hand ready to press 911 if the dogs started going nuts late at night. The intruder had to make it all the way from the front door to the bedroom and that's plenty of time to pick up the phone. We could suspect that Michelle was in a really deep sleep, but since when does a mom have a really deep sleep with a small child in the house. Seems to me they always sleep with one ear open ... so to speak.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi Everyone,


<snip>

Second thing - I have a lab and mine is the kind that would greet you at the door with a bark/growl and after you pet her she'd show you all the valuables in the house. If Michelle's dog was the protective type and took a bite of an intruder then the dog couldn't have been kenneled. If he was free to roam the home then there should have been bloody paw prints as well as bloody foot prints from the Cassidy....provided the bedroom door was open. Which leads me to wonder if the door was traditionally closed while Michelle and Jason slept or if Cassidy possibly opened the door the next morning looking for her mommy.

I hope y'all can follow my thoughts LOL

TopSail Girl,

I kind of chuckled when I read this. I have a dog that was dropped off (I live in the country) that is definitely part lab and something else, I'm not sure what the something else is. Point is, I thought she was the type that would do as you say - greet at the door with a bit of a growl and then once petted would happily escort you to the valuables.

I believed this until she was confronted by an unusual situation in which she proved that the friendly disposition can disappear extremely quickly. She did not hurt anyone but she definitely made it very clear to them they were not going to hurt anyone and that they were not coming any closer or she would hurt them. (Funny story actually, cops with guns, chased a fellow from a stolen car and they thought he headed toward my place) She put a stop to the big boys in blue with their guns out. I now pity anyone who might think she will not hurt them if they try something, she will, but she is a very sweet dog.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Hi Everyone,


I haven't been here since August 2004 officially but I've actually been lurking some the last few days. I've tried to read as much of both threads as I could before becoming cross eyed and I have a few questions/thoughts. I don't know if either scenarios have been brought up and discussed so please excuse me if they have. If JY left on Thursday night to go to a business meeting on Friday morning and then swing by his parents for a visit then it is possible that he was going to spend the night on Friday night and make the drive back to Raleigh on Saturday. This MIGHT explain why it seemed such a long drive from any point in Virginia to Brevard. (he was taking an extra day so not worrying too much about the drive time after his meeting) Just a thought.

Second thing - I have a lab and mine is the kind that would greet you at the door with a bark/growl and after you pet her she'd show you all the valuables in the house. If Michelle's dog was the protective type and took a bite of an intruder then the dog couldn't have been kenneled. If he was free to roam the home then there should have been bloody paw prints as well as bloody foot prints from the Cassidy....provided the bedroom door was open. Which leads me to wonder if the door was traditionally closed while Michelle and Jason slept or if Cassidy possibly opened the door the next morning looking for her mommy.

I hope y'all can follow my thoughts LOL

Hi Topsail Girl! Welcome back! Following your thoughts on Jason going to his folks after the meeting, does make sense to me, it has been said that the distance from Va to his parents could be a long trip though and that is where we seem to be stuck- (I'm not quoting, just paraphrasing?)

We don't know if the dog was by Michelle when found (I don't think "we" know) but I honestly didn't even think about bloody paw prints! Now I want to know where was the dog when Meredith arrived to collect the fax? Someone here said the dog was acting odd, but no mention of it's location.
It's great to have some "new insights" because I have been going in circles with the dog and the fax! Thank you for "new eyes"!

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Our dog would do that, too. I never had the chance to see how he would react if there was a real threat, thank goodness, but I do know I always felt much safer with him. Except taking him on walks, I felt safe from people, but he liked to scare the moose and then they would chase me. He caused me to be chased 3 different times by moose. Most people are just intimidated by big dogs, especially ones that bark loud. JMO

OMG, I have never seen a moose up close and can't imagine being chased by one! That's funny (but scary!). My old mutt chases turkey's. Don't know what he would do if he caught one but I would almost bet he'd let it go really fast!

I agree that people are intimidated by dogs. I have had to lock mine up when workmen come into the house- don't know what to do when he learns to open doorknobs.