Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 2

[close_enough]

That is my understanding. Someone notified Jason's mother's house at about 2 pm Friday afternoon. The police said they spoke with Jason "briefly in the afternoon" (from Greta's interviews with the sheriff). It's a 5 hour drive so the family would have arrived back in Enchanted Oaks around 7 in the evening. I understand that Jason, his mom and his step-dad all drove together. When they arrived, the vehicle and all it's contents were confiscated. Jason was apparently upset because their luggage contained cell phones, medicine and all their clothing.

Whether Jason had a lawyer lined up before they arrived or not is unclear. I don't remember, but I think he had the lawyer in place before they arrived. If the police only spoke briefly with Jason in the "afternoon" of Nov 3, then it was most likely during a phone call. They could not have arrived earlier than about 7 pm with the 5 hour drive because they also needed time to pack things up and get ready for the trip.

hmmmm, for some reason i want to say that Jason & his family showed up on that Saturday, & that's when his vehicle was confiscated....let me try to find a link....(should have done that first i guess)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Folks, I quess i have missed the articles indicating there was a struggle. Anyone have them handy. Checking in , anyone have a link to the condition the house was in - i.e. the lights on when the body was found. You all have lost me in these recent conversations because I haven't seen this information but would like to. TIA.


Ocean - you and I discussed vehicles a bit earlier and it has now dawned on me, if JY does not have his vehicle back after 16 days - I'm wondering if that may be because they found something - if it is some kind of evidence - they are not going to return that vehicle. So we might want to stay on the lookout for any information about the status of this vehicle - just a thought.

RC

Well hi there Charlie, I almost missed this post.

Right, if he still doesn't have it then imo they have found something. Well I would think so anyway but I really dont know how this police department works. They can use stall tactics to try to heat up the suspects anxiety.

I do find it odd though that the vehicle found at the scene was not impounded, that is usually SOP.

The Sheriff said that they have "one" and I dont have a clue which one that is by this time.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

"Investigators have said very little about the death of Michelle Young, 29, who was found face-down in her bedroom on Nov. 3 with her 2-year-old daughter, Cassidy, by her side. The daughter was unharmed, authorities said.

A preliminary autopsy report shows Young died from blunt-force trauma. She was about four months pregnant with her second child at the time."
http://www.wral.com/news/10321606/detail.html

Thanks Otto - that link had several other stories attached. The sheriff described the scene as very violent but thats about it, quess that is bad enough.

I give up on trying to figure how scenes went down - I never get it right anyhow, maybe that is a good thing. Don't know if any of you followed the Vitale case but I did. What I imagined based on the multitude of evidence known in the public arena was no where near as bad as the prosecutor ended up describing. I quess when authorities say it is violent, regular people ought to think of something 10 times worse than their worst nightmare.

 

[otto]

"Investigators say there were no signs anyone forced their way into the home, but the murder was violent. " http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/13/earlyshow/main2175238.shtml

"[Criminal profiler] Brown said the violent killing shows that some rage was involved, which usually points to someone who was close to the victim. " (same link)

"Brown said the violent killing shows that some rage was involved, which usually points to someone who was close to the victim. "

From November 4: "On Friday, a porch light and two lampposts on brick pillars beside the driveway burned, and a pumpkin rested on the front stoop. A gray Honda sedan was parked in the driveway near two basketball hoops, one of them child-size. A garage door was left half open.

Martin said he noticed the lights were left on a few days ago." (http://www.newsobserver.com/167/story/506181.html)

Maybe this is what I read about the lights and got mixed up. I'm going to check a few more links anyway.

Found this too: "Jason Young hired an attorney soon after his wife's body was discovered. Roger W. Smith Jr. did not respond to a request for comment this week on his client's case.

News reports have stated that Jason Young called his wife's sister, Meridith Fisher, on the morning of Nov. 3, asking that she drop by the house to pick up a fax he didn't want his wife to see. She entered the home and found her sister's lifeless body on her bed."

This says that Michelle was on the bed, so assuming it is correct, she may well have been sleeping when it happened.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

"Investigators say there were no signs anyone forced their way into the home, but the murder was violent. " http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/13/earlyshow/main2175238.shtml

"[Criminal profiler] Brown said the violent killing shows that some rage was involved, which usually points to someone who was close to the victim. " (same link)

"Brown said the violent killing shows that some rage was involved, which usually points to someone who was close to the victim. "

From November 4: "On Friday, a porch light and two lampposts on brick pillars beside the driveway burned, and a pumpkin rested on the front stoop. A gray Honda sedan was parked in the driveway near two basketball hoops, one of them child-size. A garage door was left half open.

Martin said he noticed the lights were left on a few days ago." (http://www.newsobserver.com/167/story/506181.html)

Maybe this is what I read about the lights and got mixed up. I'm going to check a few more links anyway.

I remember on Greta's show it showed a light left on downstairs and one upstairs. I guess LE left it that way to keep intruders away.


IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

Well hi there Charlie, I almost missed this post.

Right, if he still doesn't have it then imo they have found something. Well I would think so anyway but I really dont know how this police department works. They can use stall tactics to try to heat up the suspects anxiety.

I do find it odd though that the vehicle found at the scene was not impounded, that is usually SOP.

The Sheriff said that they have "one" and I dont have a clue which one that is by this time.

IMO

Ocean

It is possible they could have initially processed MYs car ( Honda Accord - I think) at the scene - prints and presumptive tests. They may have taken it in to the "shop" for a few days and returned it to a family member. One thing is certain from looking at Greta's pictures and video - that car was not at the house the past few days - but Greta got there well after the fact. I recall someone posted a video that had a shot of the car and said it was at 1.48 in the video - was that you Otto ? I'll look for it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks Otto - that link had several other stories attached. The sheriff described the scene as very violent but thats about it, quess that is bad enough.

I give up on trying to figure how scenes went down - I never get it right anyhow, maybe that is a good thing. Don't know if any of you followed the Vitale case but I did. What I imagined based on the multitude of evidence known in the public arena was no where near as bad as the prosecutor ended up describing. I quess when authorities say it is violent, regular people ought to think of something 10 times worse than their worst nightmare.

OK Charlie, after reading that the Honda was in the driveway, although I think that was on the 4th and when Greta showed the home I dont remember any cars in the driveway but we need to find out if the SUV has been returned to him.

Did the media mention what he was driving or arrived in when he returned this Friday to Michelle's graveside? I am wondering did he come back to get the vehicle, go to the graveside and have a friend or family go into the home and retrieve him and Cassidy some more clothing before returning to his parents home?

IMO

Ocean

 

[oceanblueeyes]

i'm sure this has been posted, but it's the first time i've seen the video....i know there was some discussion on whether JY voluntarily went to CCBI to be fingerprinted, DNA (sp) etc.....he was forced to do this, by an order....& with this order, LE had to already suspect him of the crime.....

the video is found over to the right of the article, listed

VIDEO: New Developments in Woman's Death...

(course i know it's not new developments, but it seems to make it clear, JY was forced to go down to CCBI)

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4773352#

Any time this is done whether the person agrees or not it is by court order only.

I dont think it necessarily makes him a suspect. Others have to be fingerprinted so that police can eliminate their prints if found at the crime scene.

Now they certainly could infer that he may be a suspect in the murder of his wife but Dan Horowitz also had to give this and it was a court order even though he was very willing to do it anyway. It is to protect police and the case however it turns out.

The rule that they state on the site is only one rule, there are other laws saying fingerprints can be obtained when they are needed to exclude not include just like it was done in Dan's situation. Now should he have been the killer......they would have used it to include him of course.

They must have Jason's fingerprints so that if they are other fingerprints found in that home they will know it is not his. Process of elimination or if he is guilty then included.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

OK Charlie, after reading that the Honda was in the driveway, although I think that was on the 4th and when Greta showed the home I dont remember any cars in the driveway but we need to find out if the SUV has been returned to him.

Did the media mention what he was driving or arrived in when he returned this Friday to Michelle's graveside? I am wondering did he come back to get the vehicle, go to the graveside and have a friend or family go into the home and retrieve him and Cassidy some more clothing before returning to his parents home?

IMO

Ocean

Ocean,

I can't even find the link again that said Jason was at the grave site but I don't think and don't recall it having any mention of what he was driving, only that he was there. I'll keep looking.

 

[close_enough]

ok, i searched several articles, & the only thing i came up with was that his car was confiscated .....found this posted from a 'friend'.....

i'm guessing JY & his family went immediately back to Raleigh that evening, so he could pick up Cassidy....LE took his car that night...

No one objected to the police impoundment of his vehicle that night. No one asked to see their search warrant. The impounded vehicle meant that all of his family members who drove him back to Raleigh could not get their items from the car - including clothes, money, wallets, phones, etc... They were now stuck out of town with no belongings.

 

[raisincharlie]

Ocean,


I thought you might be interested in Dan horowitz's take on this

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0611/14/ng.01.html

Dan speaks about a third of the way down.

 

[sweetmop]

Hmmm.... I've been catching up on all of this case. It is another sadly suspicious one I'll agree with that. I do have one question, thought. How do we know that Michelle was bludgeoned about her head and the back of her head? Or is this an idea someone has had? I ask this because... after listening to the 911 call, that Meredith makes. I am puzzeled. She isn't sure she's dead. She says this over and over agion in the call and she never make smentionof any wounds, cuts lacerations on Michele's head. She does say there is blood every where, little bloody footprints that little Cassidy has made. Also, does anyone know is Cassidy was still in a crib?!?!?! I have a sickening feeling in the pit of my stomach on this case. I really hope it is not Jason.

 

[close_enough]

"Investigators say there were no signs anyone forced their way into the home, but the murder was violent. " http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/13/earlyshow/main2175238.shtml

"[Criminal profiler] Brown said the violent killing shows that some rage was involved, which usually points to someone who was close to the victim. " (same link)

"Brown said the violent killing shows that some rage was involved, which usually points to someone who was close to the victim. "

From November 4: "On Friday, a porch light and two lampposts on brick pillars beside the driveway burned, and a pumpkin rested on the front stoop. A gray Honda sedan was parked in the driveway near two basketball hoops, one of them child-size. A garage door was left half open.

Martin said he noticed the lights were left on a few days ago." (http://www.newsobserver.com/167/story/506181.html)

Maybe this is what I read about the lights and got mixed up. I'm going to check a few more links anyway.

Found this too: "Jason Young hired an attorney soon after his wife's body was discovered. Roger W. Smith Jr. did not respond to a request for comment this week on his client's case.

News reports have stated that Jason Young called his wife's sister, Meridith Fisher, on the morning of Nov. 3, asking that she drop by the house to pick up a fax he didn't want his wife to see. She entered the home and found her sister's lifeless body on her bed."

This says that Michelle was on the bed, so assuming it is correct, she may well have been sleeping when it happened.

i hadn't read this, but if Meredith found her on the bed, then it's safe to say that Michelle was probably murdered while she slept, huh???.....if this was a "violent" crime, then it sounds like the killer hit her numerous times maybe???....wanting to make sure she was dead....OR they hit her once, she woke up & there was a struggle on the bed.....

all the blood "everywhere" could simply have been all the little footsteps made by Cassidy through the house.....

 

[raisincharlie]

Ocean,


I found the link :

http://www.wral.com/news/10349077/detail.html

There is no mention of what he was driving so not much here.

 

[close_enough]

Hmmm.... I've been catching up on all of this case. It is another sadly suspicious one I'll agree with that. I do have one question, thought. How do we know that Michelle was bludgeoned about her head and the back of her head? Or is this an idea someone has had? I ask this because... after listening to the 911 call, that Meredith makes. I am puzzeled. She isn't sure she's dead. She says this over and over agion in the call and she never make smentionof any wounds, cuts lacerations on Michele's head. She does say there is blood every where, little bloody footprints that little Cassidy has made. Also, does anyone know is Cassidy was still in a crib?!?!?! I have a sickening feeling in the pit of my stomach on this case. I really hope it is not Jason.

hi sweetmop...good question...i wondered the same thing when i heard the 911 call....i just figure that maybe since Michelle was found face down, that maybe the blow/blows were to the front of her head/face/neck etc....so maybe that's why Meredith didn't mention it, but she KNEW there was a lot of blood...she couldn't turn Michelle over, therefore i'd say she never got a good look at the front of Michelle's body, while talking to the 911 dispatcher....

Cassidy may have still be in a crib, but that doesn't mean she wasn't able to climb out of it....i put all 3 of my sons in a regular bed once i knew they were able to climb out of the crib, which was a little before they were 2 yrs old.....

 

[scandi]

I do remember the Sheriff on Greta said the minute he drove up to the house in his car they confiscated it and everything inside of it as well.

Then I read here some where he is now driving her car.

Scandi

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ocean,


I thought you might be interested in Dan horowitz's take on this

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0611/14/ng.01.html

Dan speaks about a third of the way down.

I will read it Charlie, thanks. Yes, I have heard Daniel speak and he thinks Jason should fully cooperate like he did. Btw/ Dan looks great these days much better than he did at the trial. More rested and not as weary.

That would be a good thing imo and I agree with Dan however even he knows in the real world that people obtain lawyers and can be innocent of the crime.

I highly doubt before Dan's tragedy that he would have recommended this to his clients. Life has a way of changing ones perspectives imo. Dan has become much wiser through a hard lesson learned.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

Hmmm.... I've been catching up on all of this case. It is another sadly suspicious one I'll agree with that. I do have one question, thought. How do we know that Michelle was bludgeoned about her head and the back of her head? Or is this an idea someone has had? I ask this because... after listening to the 911 call, that Meredith makes. I am puzzeled. She isn't sure she's dead. She says this over and over agion in the call and she never make smentionof any wounds, cuts lacerations on Michele's head. She does say there is blood every where, little bloody footprints that little Cassidy has made. Also, does anyone know is Cassidy was still in a crib?!?!?! I have a sickening feeling in the pit of my stomach on this case. I really hope it is not Jason.

Sweetmop,

Near as I recall from the 911 tape - you are correct - Meredith is not even sure if Michelle is dead and she does not make mention of any wounds or lacerations. She does reference that Michelle is face down on the floor - one would think if there was severe damage to the back of the head, she would have noticed and maybe said something. I do not recall any articles or reports that really give any description other than "violent" and a comment that she did die of blunt force trauma. My take on her comments about all the blood was also in connection with the baby having walked through it and tracked it about - but Meredith does say there is blood on the bed.

Don't know about the crib but have wondered about it as well.

 

[close_enough]

OK Charlie, after reading that the Honda was in the driveway, although I think that was on the 4th and when Greta showed the home I dont remember any cars in the driveway but we need to find out if the SUV has been returned to him.

Did the media mention what he was driving or arrived in when he returned this Friday to Michelle's graveside? I am wondering did he come back to get the vehicle, go to the graveside and have a friend or family go into the home and retrieve him and Cassidy some more clothing before returning to his parents home?

IMO

Ocean

it's been mentioned over at ctv that JY is now driving Michelle's Honda Accord, since LE still has his white SUV.....(who knows if this is true though)

 

[raisincharlie]

I will read it Charlie, thanks. Yes, I have heard Daniel speak and he thinks Jason should fully cooperate like he did. Btw/ Dan looks great these days much better than he did at the trial. More rested and not as weary.

That would be a good thing imo and I agree with Dan however even he knows in the real world that people obtain lawyers and can be innocent of the crime.

I highly doubt before Dan's tragedy that he would have recommended this to his clients. Life has a way of changing ones perspectives imo. Dan has become much wiser through a hard lesson learned.

IMO

Ocean

I agree - I don't think that Dan would have this advice before the tragedy he suffered. Yeah, he looks much better and definitely sound better. I for one am glad he is coming back - he is a very sharp fellow.