Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 3

[packerdog]

Just checking in, anything new? I have been cooking and baking up a storm.
Happy Thanksgiving everybody.

 

[Taximom]

You Go Charlie, and keep on chewin'

She had to have said that because it appeared that Michelle had fallen onto the floor, right? She fell on her stomach in kind of a twisted angle, maybe with her arm a bit outstretched behind her which since she was stiff made it impossible to turn her over as requested by the operator! That all fits.

I am going to listen to the tape again - the link in on page 7 here if anyone wants to hear it - but I would swear that Cassidy says Daddy beat, and then is cut off. She was listening very attentively to Meredith, as you hear her little OK when she is asked to go into her room later. I think she was attempting to tell Meredith what she saw happen. She most likely woke up at the first scream, opened her door and saw what was happening. Speculation I know, but reasonable? LOL

Scandi

Hi Scandi,
I don't know if you were here or not for the huge 911 portion of these threads, but one of the things we discussed is the "beed" that Cassidy seems to say. Some of us heard it , some not!

I made the point that although Cassidy seems very articulate, I doubt she really knows what "beat" means when it comes to abuse. Unless it was happening behind closed doors, which I doubt, Cassidy couldn't possibly know what "daddy beat mom" (my words) means. Know what I mean?

That led me to think when I heard "beeding" that Cassidy was just leaving out the L in the word "bleeding". What "daddy" has to do with that, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure now when I listen to the 911 tape that Cassidy means "bleed/bleeding".

My opinion.

 

[panthera]

I couldn't understand, other than the obvious shock, why Meredith couldn't quite tell if Michelle was dead. She started the call w/ "I think my sister is dead". The operator asks her to tell why she thinks so and asks her to turn her over. That is about the time that she says "she's cold". When she felt that she was cold and stiff she had to know for sure that she was dead. Yet, she did call out Michelle's name to her before this. I know she was in horrible shock and trying to contain herself for Cassidy's sake. It had to be 100% obvious to her on first sight that Michelle was dead. I think the only explanation is that she didn't want to continue to say it or turn her body over in front of little Cassidy.

IMOO

That is what I'm also thinking. At one point I heard her asking Cassidy to go away from her mother's body, and so it appears that Meredith knew that Michelle was dead but didn't want to use those words in front of Cassidy and was trying to talk to the 911 operator while probably in a state of shock herself as to what she'd walked in on.

 

[scandi]

I wondered if she knew the word 'beat' as well Taximom, and thought how would she know that word. It well could be the word bleed as they both have that long e sound. If she knew it it would have been from watching cartoons. I didn't hear that word the first time I listened to the tape. What I heard then and still do is Daddy 2x and it is like Cassidy is trying her best to tell her auntie what happened. She wasn't crying but in control of herself but anxious to tell the story.

Scandi

 

[jilly]

She had to have said that because it appeared that Michelle had fallen onto the floor, right? She fell on her stomach in kind of a twisted angle, maybe
I am going to listen to the tape again - the link in on page 7 here if anyone wants to hear it - but I would swear that Cassidy says Daddy beat, and then is cut off. She was listening very attentively to Meredith, as you hear her little OK when she is asked to go into her room later. I think she was attempting to tell Meredith what she saw happen. She most likely woke up at the first scream, opened her door and saw what was happening. Speculation I know, but reasonable? LOL

Scandi

I haven't commented on this before but I don't think the word "beat" is in a 2 yr old's vocabulary is it? I'm just going by my kids when they were small and they would probably say 'hurt' or something like that.

Gosh, I sure feel sorry for what Cassidy had to go through. When my kids were that small they got up fairly early so she might have too.

 

[Taximom]

I wondered if she knew the word 'beat' as well Taximom, and thought how would she know that word. It well could be the word bleed as they both have that long e sound. If she knew it it would have been from watching cartoons. I didn't hear that word the first time I listened to the tape. What I heard then and still do is Daddy 2x and it is like Cassidy is trying her best to tell her auntie what happened. She wasn't crying but in control of herself but anxious to tell the story.

Scandi

I highly doubt this little girl was allowed to watch cartoons with any beatings implied. (and I'm saying that entirely in a conversational manner-not condescending, just fyi) I bet her mommy took real good care of her.

Scandi, did you hear the part when Cassidy asks for a washcloth? That's what I heard anyway, some didn't. I can still hear her in my head.

 

[scandi]

Hi Taximom,

I know she asked Meredith for something right before Meredith asked Cassidy what happened or did your mommy fall. And Meredith said something like in just a minute. She dure is a little cutie pie, isn't she. I'll listen again, but that's probably what she said.

Scandi

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ocean, since you post on ctv was wondering if you remember early on there was a poster there who said Michele was found naked so LE originally thought it was a sexual assault? That poster claimed to know the Youngs or it may have been the EnchantedOaks poster who said that who was from the area. Never heard it from anyone else and there's nothing definite that I've seen in the reports in the media ruling it in or out from the autopsy. Think someone on one of the shows speculated that they'd not have the forensics on that back so soon and referred to the autopsy as preliminary results. I remember thinking at the time the poster said this that it was staged to look that way as could also be the case with a robbery. Now if dna is found that's a whole nother story. Also possible that the perp didn't accomplish the intended crime because she fought, the dog, etc.

We just don't know but I agree LE and Michele's family's silence is deafening. I hope you're right about what you heard Ocean.

Well another letdown. Nothing new on CC. I am beginning to worry some now but still have faith that for some reason it is taking this long.

Yes I do remember that and that is the problem we have whether the crime scene was staged or not we have no idea if there are any sexual overtones in this case. I remember Merideth saying the house did not look the same. Did she mean strewn?

Also I think Merideth may have noticed all the blood on the bed itself like the headboard splashed with blood. She did mention it for some reason so it makes me think that it may have started there and she was able to rise off of the bed although I admit I do find that a little difficult to believe. Usually if someone is sleeping and struck repeatedly with a bludgeoning weapon they will die right in the same area. It would only take one horrific blow to incapacitate her or greatly stun her. I think she was totally caught of guard and unaware of her impending doom.

As she and her friend watched GA did they have the doors locked? I doubt it, imo anyone could have seen them watching TV and sneak in through the garage and could have been already in the home which means no forced entry would be necessary. It bothers me that the friend says the dogs barked loudly when they were there. Something spooked those dogs.

If Cassidy can climb out of her bed then imo she could have climbed up on Michelle's body and bed and her little feet especially if she had footies of some type on would soak up the blood and make the print patterns as she walked around.

I hope this case will be solved. The families need to know what happened. I am not sure they will ever understand why.

IMO

Ocean

 

[scandi]

All interesting thoughts Ocean,

Another thought is that when read at CTV so many of the posters with very few posts to their name are trying to make us think along the lines of an intruder. One girl posted a 4 line post why this is probably the case, and on the next page it was already adopted!

The one post in the comment section at is by a local named Joe {I've seen him at CTV too} and he says they should look at the 15 yr old who livede in the house next door and was in the house earlier that night. That is an interesting thought. Nothing has been mentioned about him being in the house that night except for Joe's comment that I can find. I think it is a plant to throw suspicion off Jason.

Scandi

 

[oceanblueeyes]

All interesting thoughts Ocean,

Another thought is that when read at CTV so many of the posters with very few posts to their name are trying to make us think along the lines of an intruder. One girl posted a 4 line post why this is probably the case, and on the next page it was already adopted!

The one post in the comment section at is by a local named Joe {I've seen him at CTV too} and he says they should look at the 15 yr old who lived in the house next door and was in the house earlier that night. That is an interesting thought. Nothing has been mentioned about him being in the house that night except for Joe's comment that I can find. I think it is a plant to throw suspicion off Jason.

Scandi

I wish we had a floorplan to this home so we could see where they were watching tv and where the door is that comes from the garage into the home.

Yes I heard this about the 15 year old kid next door but never heard what was suspicious about him. Did someone say there had been 5 homeowners and they thought people moved out because of this kid? LOL I am getting confused daily.

Oh yes on CTV all you have to do is put it out there and some just gobble it up. I expect some of them are insiders but it is hard to make sure which is which.

Have a wonderful holiday sweetie.

I am bone tired! 2 pecan pies left to do and I will be through. :woohoo: :woohoo:

IMO

Ocean

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have heard the crime scene being described as violent and that Michelle was laying in a pool of blood, and that the little girl had walked through the blood. Michelle was found laying face down, so perhaps Meredith couldn't see her injuries when she first looked at her, as her hair could also have been covering them. Meredith may have not wanted to use the word "dead" in front of Cassidy, and also have asked the child if Michelle had fallen just because of her age and comprehension. On the 911 tape, the little girl can be heard as saying that "mommy had boo-boos" on her.

Right and the blood would not show near as much on Michelle as she had dark hair instead of blonde etc.

It is so hard to guess when we have no idea what she saw at the time.

I wish they would release more information about the crime itself even if they are determined not to mention any suspects.

IMO

Ocean

 

[scandi]

I'm just getting started on my Punkin' pies and one Gravenstein apple.

Happy Thanksgiving to all you dear friends :blowkiss: Scandi

 

[southernpixie]

I'm just getting started on my Punkin' pies and one Gravenstein apple.

Happy Thanksgiving to all you dear friends :blowkiss: Scandi

Gravenstein Apple? What is that? When you have the time I would love to know

 

[otto]

That is what I'm also thinking. At one point I heard her asking Cassidy to go away from her mother's body, and so it appears that Meredith knew that Michelle was dead but didn't want to use those words in front of Cassidy and was trying to talk to the 911 operator while probably in a state of shock herself as to what she'd walked in on.

I'm pretty sure the 911 operator asked Meredith to put Cassidy in a separate area so she could check on Michelle. That's when Meredith asked Cassidy to go to her room for "2 secs" and close the door.

The news reported that Michelle was on the bed, but I suppose we'll have to wait for the trial to know for sure. I don't have a problem with a 2.5 year old climbing up on the bed to wake up her mom and getting blood all over herself, including her feet, because of the pooled blood on the bed. Cassidy would have tried to wake up her mom using her hands, so I would expect that she had blood all over her when she was found. Meredith only mentioned blood all over the bed, not the floor. It seems to me that she was attacked as she slept.

 

[j2mirish]

A salient point about the dog - the dog was reported by Meredith in the 911 tape to be freaking out - wonder how come the neighbors didn't realize that before Meredith got there ? Food for thought back at ya !

according to all the maps and airels you all posted, I dont thing there would be a neighbore close enough to hear a dog barking-

 

[strach304]

I don't have to cook, nah, nah, nah
Wanna wish everyone a happy holiday
I'll still be here on and off though. So the next door neighbor was in the house that night they are claiming? That would certainly allow him to unlock a door that him and or his friend could come back into later and he would've known Jason was out of town too. I did have a thought last night about Jason leaving a door open before he left or letting someone in before he left since I was wondering about the alarm. Between that and the dog just how did they get in and out?

 

[j2mirish]

Food Fight


If Michelle were on the bed, why did Meredith ask Cassidy if her Mom fell ?

Just heard this part again - have to wonder.

my own opinion, is she ask that just because she was 2 years old, and the aunt thought she would relate to falling and 'boo-boos" ?

 

[otto]

I haven't commented on this before but I don't think the word "beat" is in a 2 yr old's vocabulary is it? I'm just going by my kids when they were small and they would probably say 'hurt' or something like that.

Gosh, I sure feel sorry for what Cassidy had to go through. When my kids were that small they got up fairly early so she might have too.

That's my impression too. Cassidy is very articulate for her age, which leads me to believe that Michelle spoke to her using normal language. I just can't see Cassidy saying Daddy beat Mommy - it doesn't seem like a word that would normally be in a young child's vocabulary. Maybe she said "Daddy beed away".

 

[j2mirish]

Just checking in, anything new? I have been cooking and baking up a storm.
Happy Thanksgiving everybody.

and back attcha-- no nothing new !

 

[j2mirish]

I wondered if she knew the word 'beat' as well Taximom, and thought how would she know that word. It well could be the word bleed as they both have that long e sound. If she knew it it would have been from watching cartoons. I didn't hear that word the first time I listened to the tape. What I heard then and still do is Daddy 2x and it is like Cassidy is trying her best to tell her auntie what happened. She wasn't crying but in control of herself but anxious to tell the story.

Scandi

doesnt anyone besides myself, think that if a 2-3 year old SAW her father do this to her mommy--- she would be hysterical? she seems so calm--- just jabbering away with auntie....I just think she would be very very upset if she saw it happen--- Not saying he didnt do it, but i do not believe she saw what happened to her mommy-