Michelle Young~Pregnant Mother NC Part 5

[scandi]

You're sweet Charlie. I just try to place myself there so I can see what's happening. It is fun to do because the words come right out from the keyboard it seems!

I was thinking about that horrific tooth and how the spokesman said it was small, which is why I think it is a partial tooth.

And then I think of their old doggie who witnessed everything I think, probably right next to Cassidy to keep her as far away as he could. When he saw the perpetrator swing something down on his Mistress, and heard that moan, he lunged towards her and was paid back by a swift kick in his side, and recoiling from that another kick straight to the side of his head.

And I think that tooth came out of his mouth after awhile. Broken, he went to a corner or next to the bedpost and spit it out, covered in blood and spit. And that could be why an insider said the dog was sore in his side and on the side of his face. And also why they didn't find it right away as it wasn't right near Michelle.

Bet 'cha!

Scandi

 

[Samiya]

it was said that's it's a special machine that can go over areas & pick up very tiny things like hair....sounded like a really fancy vacuum to me....

Had to look through my other document files I saved a couple of years ago. I knew I had FBI stuff on here somewhere, lol.

I'm checking the link I saved with it to see if it's still active and if it is, I'll post it as it's great info to keep if you don't have it

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From the FBI Evidence Recovery Guidelines 1999.

[size=-1]5.4.4. Vacuum Sweeping. A vacuum cleaner equipped with a filter trap is used to recover trace evidence from an item or area. The filter and its contents should be immediately packaged to avoid sample loss. The appropriate vacuum parts, filter, and trap must be changed and rigorously cleaned between each vacuuming to avoid contamination. Consider using this method subsequent to other collection techniques as it is indiscriminate and may result in the collection of a large amount of extraneous material.
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You'd think the tooth would've ended up in it.

If it was planted, then JY's family obviously didn't know that that particular machine was used....and if that's the case.... they'll be :banghead:
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[Samiya]

It's still active

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/oct1999/trace.htm

Also there on the left hand side is the Handbook of Forensic Sciences (opens and saves in .pdf format. I had to redownload it because it's updated from the copy I originally had in 2000

 

[Samiya]

Seems I'm alone again...the trials and tribulations of a totally different time zone

I can't stop thinking of the dog. I'm off to do some scenario work.

 

[Bee Charmer]

Don't know if this has been posted, but is
there any chance it was little Cassidy's tooth?

 

[Samiya]

You know, I've thought of that and children don't start losing teeth until 5 to 6 years old (5 years for my little man) but................

what if Cassidy slipped fell off the bed? Then yes it could be a possibility.

 

[strach304]

ok sleepy heads, what happened on Greta's show?

 

[Bee Charmer]

I think the rep from the CCBI made a point
of saying it was a very small piece of tooth, I'm thinking
now that it was Michele's and not Cassidys.

This is a terrible thing to think about, but does anyone
know if Michele's casket was closed? If she sustained
damage to her face with enough force to knock out a
piece of tooth, surely there was damage to her mouth,
face etc.....

 

[Samiya]

The dog the dog the dog......this ain't nice but here goes. I've posted about the dog before I think (god knows where, lol, I'll have to find it and cross reference here with a link but if I haven't then it was saved to my computer, so I'll have to post it).

(not working with what I believe I heard on my enhanced 911 recording. This was written before I began working on it. They're snippets from two of 8 possible scenarios I've written in my computer.)

There is a possibility of Cassidy being awake during at least a part of the murder or not long after. If the dog began barking it could well have woken the poor child up. She may have been 'calm' on the recording because she had been awake for hours and had had time to 'settle down' by the time Meredith got there. Or if awake since some ungodly hour of the morning, she may have crawled into bed with Michelle's body in the dark and slept awhile.

Another thing also.........

in putting together two of the 8 scenarios I am currently working on, I came across the realisation that Michelle may not have been attacked in bed and if she was she would have been *awake or **partially awake.

*Awake....chased into the bedroom (by unknown perp) or followed (by well known perp) after either opening the door to her attacker or hearing someone enter the house and going downstairs to check if it was Jason returning after forgetting something or she just heard a noise...seeing the house wasn't broken into and no sign of forced entry. The suggestion that she may have once forgotten to lock up doesn't seem right. She has a child (babygate is rumour) who is quite capable of letting herself out of the house via chair or low doorhandle on door. (My daughter, when just over 2 years old, let herself out twice which culminated in a search of the small town I was living in...both times she went to a lady's house who had two gorgeous pekinese dogs two houses down to visit "my puppies" and the lady then had to find me during my search and hand her back. One of these visits to 'her puppies' was at around 5am). Lights on in house or perp could not have found his way around in the dark easily let alone make clean strikes to her head (he would've missed in the dark or at least delivered partial strikes), unless he was the (well known perp) which leads to the below........

**partially awake

perp could make his way upstairs to bedroom and turned on bedroom/hall light waking Michelle who would've been drowsy from being sleep.

Lastly......there would've had to have been a light/s on somewhere or lights turned on....unless the house was pretty well lit up from streetlights.

Unless the perp knew the house and had been there prior, including access to upstairs room to know who slept where, how would he have known WHICH bedroom Michelle was in if she the entire attack took place in the bedroom....unless he was waiting outside to see which upstairs light went off last....in which case he could still have been an 'unknown' or 'well known' perp.

I still believe that Michelle wouldn't have gone to bed straight away after her friends left. If she was as houseproud as Meredith seemed to imply on the 911 recording, then she would've tidied up before bed....and IF Jason did ring at around 11pm, then we know she was awake at that time, unless he was in bed asleep and didn't get to the phone in time. If it's an unknown perp, then she may have struck after she went/on her way upstairs after the phone call talking to Jason.

**more coffee, 'nother ciggie**

 

[raisincharlie]

I think the rep from the CCBI made a point
of saying it was a very small piece of tooth, I'm thinking
now that it was Michele's and not Cassidys.

This is a terrible thing to think about, but does anyone
know if Michele's casket was closed? If she sustained
damage to her face with enough force to knock out a
piece of tooth, surely there was damage to her mouth,
face etc.....

I do not know the answer to the second part of your post but did want to say I agree with the first part. As I understood the reporting on the tooth - it was found approximately 2 weeks ago - shortly after the house was released. If there is any way to determine who it belongs to - it has been done. The CCBI guy was pretty certain it was Michelle's. I suggest they know it was Michelle's.

I think it is very possible that the machine used for "seeing" trace evidence was used prior to the removal of bedding and other items in the bedroom. It is possible this portion of a tooth was caught in a fold of cloth such as a sheet or blanket and those items might have been among the last items to be removed. When removed it fell out and would not have been noticed. For some reason I do not see this as a usable red herring - I think internally to LE, it has been resolved. JMO

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Isn't it amazing how, many people listening to one person hear so many different things ? Then the other listeners become like chickens without heads ?


To clarify - not Scandi - but the poster at CTV who described what AL said.

Hi charlie. Lol ..You bet.

Funnily enough, earlier in this case (and perhaps more than any other IMO), well-seasoned posters took a mini-micro-fibre of 'info' and next thing: it's dinkum, fact.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi charlie. Lol ..You bet.

Funnily enough, earlier in this case (and perhaps more than any other IMO), well-seasoned posters took a mini-micro-fibre of 'info' and next thing: it's dinkum, fact.

Hey PSA

Glad you are back - this pot needs some serious stirring !

Missed ya !

RC

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi sami! Interesting combination of thoughts - valid, too! This thing is a Brainiac, eh? Wonder how may REAL 'insiders' are reading here and watching us attempt to track-back 24 hrs from midday 04 Nov through 03 Nov ...

Psst: Putting the Lavazzo on and offering yah a lighter .... but as it's nighttime, fancy a wee night cap? I've got one of my fave's: good ole Jacob's Creek. Fruity little palate, cheeky aroma and refreshingly chilled. LOL!

That shoud make you proud!

 

[Floh]

I think the rep from the CCBI made a point
of saying it was a very small piece of tooth, I'm thinking
now that it was Michele's and not Cassidys.

This is a terrible thing to think about, but does anyone
know if Michele's casket was closed? If she sustained
damage to her face with enough force to knock out a
piece of tooth, surely there was damage to her mouth,
face etc.....

If one of the posters on CTV is for real and did attend the funeral, then they have said the casket was not closed. the question remains as to whether this poster is who/what they claim to be, doesn't it? :waitasec:

 

[Samiya]

Hi sami! Interesting combination of thoughts - valid, too! This thing is a Brainiac, eh?

Wonder how may REAL 'insiders' are reading here and watching us attempt to track-back 24 hrs from midday 04 Nov through 03 Nov ...

Psst: Putting the Lavazzo on and offering yah a lighter .... but as it's nighttime, fancy a wee night cap? I've got one of my fave's: good ole Jacob's Creek. Fruity little palate, cheeky aroma and refreshingly chilled. LOL!

That shoud make you proud!

Sure is a brainer and if LE here didn't know me and decided to bust my house taking my computer their first thought would probably be WTF. I have stuff in this computer and on cd/dvd files that 'normal' folks just wouldn't dream of having (Autopsy recordings, photos, Crime Scene stuff, Weapons and Wounds studies, etc ), but at the same time it wouldn't take them long to find out why I have them, lol.

Re 'Insiders".....I have wondered that, lol.

Love the Psst, sounds good to me.

 

[packerdog]

Some have mentioned that she may have been attacked downstairs, or let someone in. I don't think so at all. She would have never run upstairs where she knows her daughter was sleeping because he might attack her. She would have stayed downstairs and fought for her life. I am glad some one corrected the fact that the dry wall that was removed wasn't from the entry way. They probably had removed it from the bedroom and set it down by the door.

I can see how a piece of a tooth could be knocked out, she probably had her mouth open screaming. I guess nobody really knows for sure if she had an open casket. If she did her mouth would be closed and nobody would know just how many teeth were missing. Which makes me think that she had more that one chipped tooth, she could have had many and they missed one.

 

[Taximom]

On Greta's show last night, the reporter said the tooth was found by the side of the bed where Michelle had been found.

I am convinced this is Michelle's tooth, and should have been found by the forensics team.

My husband was recently rear-ended while at a red light. Just from that he said his teeth knocked against each other, but fortunately none were broken.

If MiY was hit on the back of her head, a tooth very well could have broken off and shot out of her mouth. There may even have been other pieces of teeth that remained in the mouth.

When do we get to see the coroner's report??!!:behindbar

 

[raisincharlie]

Some have mentioned that she may have been attacked downstairs, or let someone in. I don't think so at all. She would have never run upstairs where she knows her daughter was sleeping because he might attack her. She would have stayed downstairs and fought for her life. I am glad some one corrected the fact that the dry wall that was removed wasn't from the entry way. They probably had removed it from the bedroom and set it down by the door. <snip> .

Packerdog - I agree with you on this one. No way is she going to run toward that baby and attract the attention of someone to the baby.

Hypothetical: for a few minutes lets entertain the thought that JY and MY were indeed having trouble marriage wise and he did leave Thursday evening a bit miffed. What if he did come back and said he was going to take the baby - good excuse for a fight. Do you think it is possible that it could have escalated to the known end result ? Perhaps in a lucid moment he realized he had to leave Cassidy or it would be instantaneously known he killed his wife. Would this not explain his call then to Meredith just to get someone over there about the baby ?

Just fumbling around here playing, I like your logic, perhaps you have some thoughts ?

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Some have mentioned that she may have been attacked downstairs, or let someone in. I don't think so at all. She would have never run upstairs where she knows her daughter was sleeping because he might attack her. She would have stayed downstairs and fought for her life. I am glad some one corrected the fact that the dry wall that was removed wasn't from the entry way. They probably had removed it from the bedroom and set it down by the door.

100% behind you, packerdog - that is so logical and is the instinctive protection 'zone' of the female species. I don't believe MY let her killer in. I believe HE snuk in and attacked her once he thought (knew or felt) she was asleep.

Few of my own thoughts (JMHO, that is):

1st: I don't think he wanted to make eye-contact. He could not face a hauntingly disturbing memory of: 'those eyes looking, pleading, struggling with and at him, wondering ... why? why??? WHY!!??"

2nd: He wanted this to be as much of a surprise to MY as it was to the community.

3rd: The dog knew the killer. HE/she let him pass. It would have barked and MY may have been aroused or alerted.

4th: He could as easily have put the clothes he was wearing plus the murder weapon in a cloth bag with a brick in it and flung everything into a body of water.

5th: If is was JY, he wouldn't have had to shower after the crime: he was in a hotel - easy enough and probably safer to do so there.

 

[packerdog]

100% behind you, packerdog - that is so logical and is the instinctive protection 'zone' of the female species. I don't believe MY let her killer in. I believe HE snuk in and attacked her once he thought (knew or felt) she was asleep.

Few of my own thoughts (JMHO, that is):

1st: I don't think he wanted to make eye-contact. He could not face a hauntingly disturbing memory of: 'those eyes looking, pleading, struggling with and at him, wondering ... why? why??? WHY!!??"

2nd: He wanted this to be as much of a surprise to MY as it was to the community.

3rd: The dog knew the killer. HE/she let him pass. It would have barked and MY may have been aroused or alerted.

4th: He could as easily have put the clothes he was wearing plus the murder weapon in a cloth bag with a brick in it and flung everything into a body of water.

5th: If is was JY, he wouldn't have had to shower after the crime: he was in a hotel - easy enough and probably safer to do so there.

Good points Polk. I just don't think he would have left his house with blood on him, and we know there was alot of blood, they even took out dry wall. He would have gotten some in his car (could be why they still have his car though). He had plenty of clothes in his closet to change into after she was dead. Now a big clue would be if the friends saw what he was wearing when he left the house, he would have to produce those clothes to LE. If they are missing , well, why?