Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #7

[lkd-ga]

think the authorities in Lauterbach and Laurean's unit had a preconceived notion that Lauterbach was the unstable one of the pair. Even her mother seemed to perceive her as somewhat unstable. What nobody picked up on was that Laurean was completely evil, and was most likely planting the seed all along that she was an unreliable, hysterical drama queen in the minds of his workmates and their unit commanders. There's no excuse for the unit to have fallen for this ploy. They should know their soldiers better than this, especially the first sergeant should have.

I am sure with Laurean narcistic personality he had a full blow smear campaign going on about Maria. This is a classic charactristic of a narcistic person. It is always everyone else's faulty. He sees himself as superior to others and entitled to special treatment. Narcistic people are very good at manipulating the people around them and very good at fooling everyone. I think that allot of people were taken in by Laurean. I think that he had Maria
so emotionally upset she did not know what to do. All of this was a game to him. He had months to smear her character and he succeeded. This is why
he taught he could get away with what he did. From the note it sounds like she had enough of his games and she probably stood up to him. I think that lead to her murder. People like Laurean do not like to loose control. He was successfully juggling the rape charges, her and the wife. I think he had most everyone around him fooled and she did something to make his house of cards come tumbling down.

 

[fran]

i understand exactly what you're saying Storm, but Maria was not pregnant on May 11th per a pregnancy test....

Not necessarily true, IMO, that she was NOT pregnant on May 11th. It's possible to have a 'negative' if it's too soon. The pregnancy tests can give false 'negatives,' but not false 'positives.'

At least, that's what my OBGYN said.

JMHO
fran

 

[close_enough]

close, do we know if it was a urine or blood pregnancy test? The blood test would be the most accurate.

hi TM
no, i haven't heard which type of test...& yes, a blood test would be most accurate...good point

 

[Taximom]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=5894622
Marine murder suspect tracked in TX
Wednesday, January 16, 2008 | 11:18 AM
DURHAM -- The search for Marine murder suspect Cpl. Cesar Laurean enters its fifth day with law enforcement tracking him to Houston, TX.

Law enforcement sources tell Eyewitness News, "Two letters have been sent from Houston, TX from Cesar Laurean and they now believe Laurean may now be in Mexico." Sources close to Eyewitness News say those letters were sent to Laurean's wife in Jacksonville, N.C.

 

[Mygirlsadie]

There are civilian docs at our hospitals because I have seen them there. I think it's cool your hubby is a thughugger lol...Everyone needs love & guidance. I wish he could of ''hugged'' Laurean!

Hey, MGS! My husband is in the Navy. He's a counselor ("thughugger") at a brig. Maybe medical doctors are more likely to join the Army than the Navy.

 

[close_enough]

Not necessarily true, IMO, that she was NOT pregnant on May 11th. It's possible to have a 'negative' if it's too soon. The pregnancy tests can give false 'negatives,' but not false 'positives.'

At least, that's what my OBGYN said.

JMHO
fran

good point also, fran.....

Maria back tracked later, during an interview with military officials, saying she wasn't pregnant due to the rape/rapes....who knows

On June 27th, 2007, LCpl Lauterbach is ill and seeks medical attention. She is administered a pregnancy test. The result of the test is positive with medical personnel estimating the conception date as 14 May 2007. LCpl Lauterbach’s UVA calls NCIS to report the pregnancy. LCpl Lauterbach goes to NCIS to make a statement regarding her pregnancy and belief that Cpl Laurean is the father as a result of the alleged rape.

On November 5, 2007, LCpl Lauterbach moves into an off-base house, renting a room from Sgt Durham who is scheduled to deploy during late December and was looking for someone to rent his home while he was deployed. Additionally on this day, trial counsel re-interviews LCpl Lauterbach who readjusts her statement that her pregnancy is a result of the rape. However, she continues to maintain that she was raped by Cpl Laurean. Trial counsel continues to look at evidence and prepare recommendations for further actions to the regimental commander. NCIS continues to look for evidence to corroborate LCpl Lauterbach’s allegations.

http://www.newbernsj.com/news/lauterbach_38149___article.html/lcpl_cpl.html

 

[STEADFAST]

There are civilian docs at our hospitals because I have seen them there. I think it's cool your hubby is a thughugger lol...Everyone needs love & guidance. I wish he could of ''hugged'' Laurean!

He completely thinks that Laurean is just the way lkd-ga described him. Also that Lauterbach's sexual assault advocate must be in very deep trouble at this point.

 

[fran]

Before everyone gets all hung up in believing that Maria was having an 'affair' with the , I'd like to tell you what CAN happen to someone under duress of intimidation and 'sexual intimidation.'

Several years ago my friend's daughter, she was 20 or 21, worked for a major retailer. After a year or so, she came to her parents one night and told them she was being sexually harrassed at work. She was to the point she said she couldn't take it anymore. I'm not sure why, but they decided rather than her reporting it at work, to go to LE.

After a short time of talking to detectives with their daughter, LE took her into a room and talked to the victim while her parents waited. After awhile, an officer came out and sat down with my friend and her husband. The detective looked at them sadly, and said, "Did you know that your daughter has actually been raped? Not once, but multiple times by this suspect?"

My friend was in shock! Her daughter had never mentioned 'rape,' only 'sexual harassment.' It turns out she was scared to say anything because she'd been threatened with bodily injury if she told. It also turned out she wasn't the only victim of this suspect in that same location and he'd done this before somewhere else.

What do you take from this? These guys can be very manipulative and controlling. You add to the fact that the suspect told a very different story, (of course, why wouldn't he?), and you have a 'he said, she said,' and then she changes her story because of intimidation. What are authorities led to believe? Yes, no, who, what, when, where, why?

Maria told her mom and dad she was being harassed by being hit, car keyed, threats. The military said she wasn't bothered by the suspect. The military said she wanted to move off base because of her baby; yet, her parents said she wanted to move off base because of the harassment.

Maria was young, pregnant, scared, she just wanted to have her baby and be left alone, and the suspect made to pay for what he did. She made some bad choices and didn't tell EVERYONE exactly what was happening to her. IF she had, IMO, she would have been protected,................HOPEFULLY.

I'm not saying she deserved what happened and that the millitary is totally innocent of not mishandling this case. I'm just saying there's more to the story and only both the victim and suspect know the truth. Anyone else involved, only knows what they were told by the participants. IMO, it will take time to work through who knew what, when. Until then, it's all speculation on our part.

JMHO
fran

 

[close_enough]

exactly fran....speculation is pretty much all we have right now...

 

[lkd-ga]

Laurean sending 2 letters to his wife says allot about him. I do not think he sent the letters out of love or consern for her. If he really cared for his wife and daughter he would not have left her holding the bag. He sent the letters
to let everyone know he is still in control. I think Laurean is a very dangerous
person and we have not heard the last of him. It is almost like he is taunting LE. Letting them know that he was able to out wit them and get to Mexico.

Question, I would think that the Laurean home is still being held by LE. Where did he mail the letters to and how did he know where Christina was at?

 

[BeavisMom62]

Hi, guys. Unfortunately RL has intruded. usually can't use the computer much during the week, have to go to work. I've been lurking and just reading without much chance to post. Had to tell you though, at work yesterday, while looking out the window, a black pickup truck pulled up and a guy walked into the office who looked JUST LIKE ! I couldn't believe it! Of course, it wasn't him and it was the wrong kind of truck but it gave me a start. Then about a half hour later, a woman walked by with a little girl that looked just like Maddie McCann! I think I'm on WS too much. Still trying to get caught up with the last thread. Love you guys! I have to admit, I was right about the BFT to Maria and I'm wondering again if he might NOT be headed to FL? I thought that at the beginning but after the whole Mexico thing I changed my mind. :blowkiss: to all!

 

[close_enough]

Laurean sending 2 letters to his wife says allot about him. I do not think he sent the letters out of love or consern for her. If he really cared for his wife and daughter he would not have left her holding the bag. He sent the letters
to let everyone know he is still in control. I think Laurean is a very dangerous
person and we have not heard the last of him. It is almost like he is taunting LE. Letting them know that he was able to out wit them and get to Mexico.

Question, I would think that the Laurean home is still being held by LE. Where did he mail the letters to and how did he know where Christina was at?

i'm guessing he mailed them to their home, & LE got them....

 

[STEADFAST]

Maria told her mom and dad she was being harassed by being hit, car keyed, threats. The military said she wasn't bothered by the suspect. The military said she wanted to move off base because of her baby; yet, her parents said she wanted to move off base because of the harassment.

Maria was young, pregnant, scared, she just wanted to have her baby and be left alone, and the suspect made to pay for what he did. She made some bad choices and didn't tell EVERYONE exactly what was happening to her. IF she had, IMO, she would have been protected,................HOPEFULLY.



JMHO
fran

I was about to post the Navy's SAVI (Sexual Assault Victim Intervention) program to show how the SAVI advocate didn't handle this situation according to regulations, assuming that the Marine Corps would have an identical program. I was thinking that there is no way Lauterbach's SAVI didn't know what was going on with the harassment and even her concerns for her future.

But then I looked on a Marine Corps site for the responsibilities of their SAPRO (Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office) victim's advocate and the regulations there are much less specific about exactly what the advocate must be aware of and who the advocate should report to.

I think the Marine Corps needs to look into their SAPRO regulations and tighten them up considerably.

 

[Ticamom]

On the memorial page for Maria, I found these photos :

http://www.respectance.com/MarlaLauterbach/photos/ybgD7RGPi0PXGPi
( with her parents )

http://www.respectance.com/MarlaLauterbach/photos/5NKh7gGPiGGtGGt
( with her father )

i keep wondering why no one in her family is on the news , asking for answers . Could they have been threatened in some way to be silent ?

 

[glezell]

On the memorial page for Maria, I found these photos :

http://www.respectance.com/MarlaLauterbach/photos/ybgD7RGPi0PXGPi
( with her parents )

http://www.respectance.com/MarlaLauterbach/photos/5NKh7gGPiGGtGGt
( with her father )

i keep wondering why no one in her family is on the news , asking for answers . Could they have been threatened in some way to be silent ?

If I were in their situation, and grieving for my child, I would probably only go on tv if it were needed to bring attention to the case and ask the public for help. There is so much attention and his face is all over the news, I wouldn't see anything to gain from it and would probably stay private myself.

 

[nanandjim]

I was married to a Marine Corps jet pilot. I can tell you that they were very chauvinistic individuals. I can remember my husband coming home one day telling me that some of the doctors who were hanging out with them were mocking the "fat" women that they examined. I was horrified. I made sure that I never saw a male doctor after that. Still, to this day, I will not have a male gynecologist, mainly because of this reason.

The Marine Corps personnel that I knew were a bunch of womanizers. It started at the top. Their commanding officer screwed around while overseas. So, they felt free to do the same. There was also a code of silence among them. No one was supposed to tell anybody (especially wives) what went on while they were away on deployment. One guy made the dire mistake of telling his wife; and he was ostracized by everyone.

I can tell you that if they didn't like you they found a way to force you out of the service. I can also tell you that everyone was afraid to go to a counselor or to deal with any type of family issue. Those were kept secret because they could hurt the service member's career.

The parties were wild. All sorts of stuff went on. Big Peyton Place. Civilians were looked down upon. These flyboys thought that they were God's gift to the world. I found it to be really offensive.

My husband always got on me for not playing the game. I just could not stand to put on airs and socialize with people that I basically couldn't stand. Heck, I couldn't stand him!

There's more...but I think that you get the basic picture from my POV.

To add: There were some good, decent base doctors. I remember the head of the dentistry department taking care of a problem with my son's teeth, free of charge. I think that it was a procedure that they were not supposed to perform.

 

[lkd-ga]

I can tell you that if they didn't like you they found a way to force you out of the service[/QUO

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Nanandjim, I get the picture and Maria was caught up in his type of behavior
and also being smeared by Laurean. She did not stand a chance. I think she just wanted out. To go away and have her baby. I think that is why she changed her story. However, Military was still waiting on baby to be born to due DNA test. If it is Laurean's baby the military would have made sure he paid child support by placing it on an ellotment that automatically came out of check. I think this was a major factor in her death

 

[golfmom]

Can someone help out and pull together the pertinent information for Maria on the Who's Who thread? :blowkiss:

 

[glezell]

Not an expert, just watched so many shows and have a few observations....

1. BFT is a rage type murder and usually very personal. Unless he came from behind as a surprise, if he were in front of her, he would be looking her in her eyes.
2. It seems most murders try to distance themselves from the body. Seems to me that most people that keep bodies close do it out of a warped love for the victim, or like being close for "trophy" reasons. Very strange to me that he disposed of her on his property.
3. This is usually the type of case we see dumping the victim. Would be much less incriminating towards him if she wasn't in his own back yard. Perhaps he did something to her that he felt he had to hide (rape her again or even had consensual sex, try to remove the baby, etc) or dna on her (fingernails) that if she were found just dumped, would have drawn attention to her.

ok, just some random thoughts....

 

[Ticamom]

Not an expert, just watched so many shows and have a few observations....

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2. It seems most murders try to distance themselves from the body. Seems to me that most people that keep bodies close do it out of a warped love for the victim, or like being close for "trophy" reasons. Very strange to me that he disposed of her on his property.
3. This is usually the type of case we see dumping the victim. Would be much less incriminating towards him if she wasn't in his own back yard.

ok, just some random thoughts....

I looked up 103 Meadow Trail Jax NC on Google earth and you can see how many woods there are very nearby. I still don't understand how they could have buried her on their property unless they were planning on seeling the house or they preferred to keep her close so they could still have control pf the situation. Or as you said, the burial site was a trophy for him.


When I lived in J' ville , we lived in Northwoods. Looking at the satellite pics I realize that it wasn't so far away from where she was killed. J'ville is not a very large town, so distances arent too far.