Missing cell phones

[Donjeta]

If true, that means she's also lying to LE because I can't see her saying something completely different on tv than what she told to LE.

That's what I'm thinking too. If it's not true she's lying to either to protect someone that is connected to the case or to protect herself.

I think I should be rooting for people to be honest but I hope she's lying because if it's just a random call from someone she doesn't know for whatever mysterious reason it's a dead end. If the call was made to her on purpose it's an important lead.

 

[Marple]

Only problem with that theory is wouldn't she had hung up the second she heard the VM of someone else? I don't know any cell phone that actually takes 50 seconds before VM picks up (more like 20-25 seconds).

Just for the heck of it, I dialed my cell phone to test the VM timing. I let my call go to VM. I started a stop watch right after the beep but didn't say anything (yeah, I felt weird but curiousity got the better of me!).

The phone company recording said a few things, " do you want to add to your message", "are you still there?" "I'm sorry you are having problems" and then she said my message has been sent and hung up on me. The time from beep til she hung up was 54 seconds. So maybe phone company records would show a 50 second voice mail, I'm not sure.

Anyway, my point is that if someone pocket dials my VM or doesn't know they've connected to my VM box and they don't talk, they will be connected to my VM for approximately 50 seconds.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

ITA!!!! That's what I was about to say! What are the odds that you sit down and butt dial someone with the same area code, possibly? Or someone who happens to be on your street that night? I'm assuming this person is from the area, so at the very least the area code would have to match (and I believe on cellphones you have to include an area code even for local calls). No, this is not a butt dialing at all.

ITA, this was not a random booty call. :innocent:

Could this call have been a result of a drunk DB having suspicions of something going on with phonelady and JI? :waitasec:

 

[JeannaT]

When confronted by LE about the phone call, DB *herself* said that LE was lying to her because the bill had not been paid and they could not call out on the phones. I can't remember at this point which interview it was, but it was DB who said the phones were cut off due to non-payment.

Another lie, it seems. Regardless of the reason a call was made to MW that night, DB lied about being unable to use the phones due to non-payment of the bill. At least one of them worked, obviously. And if one lies about the condition of the phones that night, it's not a stretch that the phones being stolen is a lie, too. DB is very, very sensitive about those phones. Makes you really wonder why.

I don't think it's necessarily a lie. There are several phones on that account, it seems likely the phone company messed up and didn't block them all. If they can find a paper trail that the bills hadn't been paid, there was contact between the Irwins and the phone company to remedy that, that's good enough for me. Phone company error.

Otherwise, it would be crazy for her to just lie about that. Why lie that the phones couldn't call out? I can't imagine she could gain any ground at all by saying they didn't work vs. they did work. LE would know.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Um hm. Actually, though, you wouldn't have to dial the area code. Dialing 7 random numbers and then "send" would call the number in the same area code automatically. If there was that such number within that area code.

The odds of that happening approach zero, as they say. Occam's razor.

Somebody, whoever or for whatever reason, dialed that number with their fingers.

Not always, apparently. I have to dial all 10 numbers, even in my area code. I'm with AT&T.

 

[tehcloser]

ITA, this was not a random booty call. :innocent:

Could this call have been a result of a drunk DB having suspicions of something going on with phonelady and JI? :waitasec:

nope, not random....

 

[JeannaT]

ITA, this was not a random booty call. :innocent:

Could this call have been a result of a drunk DB having suspicions of something going on with phonelady and JI? :waitasec:

How would Deborah even know her number? Why call her in the middle of killing her baby and hiding the remains, to find out if she's having an affair with Jeremy?

 

[Turnadot]

BBM

I've done it. Phone in pocket, sit down, numbers get hit when you sit, and voila, pocket dial, totally random number. However, IME, it is MUCH more common to pocket dial a number that already programmed in, but it doesn't have to be.

I've never pocket dialed an entire phone number before. Not saying it can't happen, but wow.

In this case though...

The odds of pocket dialing from the phone I just stole, the number of a person who has been in the neighborhood of the baby I just abducted - I'd head straight to a store and buy a lottery ticket.

IMO

But the point for me is this: DB said they couldn't call out on the phones, IIRC.

Was that a lie, then?

 

[not_my_kids]

But to pocket dial a random number that is in your correct area code as well? That seems a bit unrealistic to me......

I've done it. Other people I know have done it. Like I said, I don't really believe that to be case here. Just too many other coincidences. But it can happen. Especially since you don't have to put in the area codes on most cell phones if the call is local to where they phone is registered. I have pocket dialed a number that was not in my directory and was local, but it started with 444, which made it easier.

 

[tehcloser]

How would Deborah even know her number? Why call her in the middle of killing her baby and hiding the remains, to find out if she's having an affair with Jeremy?

Perhaps the phone call was first...and caused the rest.

 

[SyraKelly]

How would Deborah even know her number? Why call her in the middle of killing her baby and hiding the remains, to find out if she's having an affair with Jeremy?

if its Jersey GF- he probably gave her the number-remember he was looking for odd jobs in the neighbor..

 

[CharlestonGal]

Like, recently, or was this in the past? I will say this, she's unforgettable looking - if she HAS been walking through the neighborhood, the folks would remember it.

Not necessarily. There are some very interesting looking young people in my neighborhood and no one takes any particular note of them. Many of them are very creative looking, to put it mildly.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Perhaps the phone call was first...and caused the rest.

Ding ding ding! :twocents:

 

[JeannaT]

if its Jersey GF- he probably gave her the number-remember he was looking for odd jobs in the neighbor..

If this is Jersey's girlfriend, Jersey did it. I think case closed, get the handcuffs. IMHO.

It seems like that's a piece of information that would have made the reporter's jaw drop.

 

[cityslick]

When confronted by LE about the phone call, DB *herself* said that LE was lying to her because the bill had not been paid and they could not call out on the phones. I can't remember at this point which interview it was, but it was DB who said the phones were cut off due to non-payment.

Another lie, it seems. Regardless of the reason a call was made to MW that night, DB lied about being unable to use the phones due to non-payment of the bill. At least one of them worked, obviously. And if one lies about the condition of the phones that night, it's not a stretch that the phones being stolen is a lie, too. DB is very, very sensitive about those phones. Makes you really wonder why.

Here's the thing though, if DB was the one who actually made the call, knows she made a call that night, then purposely tells LE you can't make calls on the phones, don't you find that odd? Not saying it's not possible, but why lie about not having service if that's the case? If anything you can deny you made the call since they were 'stolen'.

 

[not_my_kids]

How would Deborah even know her number? Why call her in the middle of killing her baby and hiding the remains, to find out if she's having an affair with Jeremy?

What if the call was before the um, cough, cough, disappearance? She gets drunk, gets it in her head that JI is cheating. Finds a phone number, maybe in a desk drawer from forever ago, or maybe she found a phone number on the phone a long time ago and tried to dial it by drunken memory. Ends up calling the phone to see who answers. It's a woman, she sound young, and DB decides to take away something of Jeremy's (Lisa) to make him hurt, since now her drunken mind has convinced her that JI is cheating. Cutting off her nose to spite her face, so to speak. There have been a couple other cases where one parent did that just to hurt the other as bad as they could.

Of course, if she were that drunk, then how did she pull off murder, disposal, and cover up well enough to keep herself out of jail for nearly a month now? (See, I even second guess myself.)

 

[Kamille]

Just for the heck of it, I dialed my cell phone to test the VM timing. I let my call go to VM. I started a stop watch right after the beep but didn't say anything (yeah, I felt weird but curiousity got the better of me!).

The phone company recording said a few things, " do you want to add to your message", "are you still there?" "I'm sorry you are having problems" and then she said my message has been sent and hung up on me. The time from beep til she hung up was 54 seconds. So maybe phone company records would show a 50 second voice mail, I'm not sure.

Anyway, my point is that if someone pocket dials my VM or doesn't know they've connected to my VM box and they don't talk, they will be connected to my VM for approximately 50 seconds.

Thanks for doing that Marple. I was going to try that but remembered that I cancelled my voice mail. :crazy:

So that's what I was thinking. If the phone pocket dialed the number and got the voice mail that's about how long it would stay connected until the voice mail disconnected it. And the only way to tell if either of the phones had that number stored in the contact list would be to have the physical phone. Which they can't find.

I wonder how long MW has had this number. Could it be a number that was assigned to someone previously who did know either DB or JI. It really could be innocent but how would LE know since the parents refuse to sit down with them to find out. :waitasec:

MOO

 

[luckyme]

Here's the thing though, if DB was the one who actually made the call, knows she made a call that night, then purposely tells LE you can't make calls on the phones, don't you find that odd? Not saying it's not possible, but why lie about not having service if that's the case? If anything you can deny you made the call since they were 'stolen'.

What if her dads phone had service? Half truth? moo

 

[SyraKelly]

If this is Jersey's girlfriend, Jersey did it. I think case closed, get the handcuffs. IMHO.

It seems like that's a piece of information that would have made the reporter's jaw drop.

I am not saying jersey did it..I am saying if this phone call leads to Jersey-then he is connected somehow-if DB tried to reach him that night..also- who is to say DB was not having an affair with him,but they used the job front to see each other!!

 

[CharlestonGal]

ITA, this was not a random booty call. :innocent:

Could this call have been a result of a drunk DB having suspicions of something going on with phonelady and JI? :waitasec:

Yes, I found it very interesting that the first time JI takes an evening job, doesn't return at 10 pm like he's supposed to and doesn't call (because the phones are not working), DB simply goes on to bed at 10:30 without worrying about it. I call BS on that. She was very, very likely looking for him. And mad. Yet, she just blows it off that he didn't come home at all.

I do not believe that evening was anything like DB says it was. Her official story is complete fantasy, IMO. All of it.