Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #10

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I'm not making any accusations here by saying what I'm going to say. But that PFI angle came up very early into the investigation in "Rumors" circulating around Springfield. Even to this day, if you ask people who were growing up in that time period what they had heard about the crime, in the circles they traveled in back in the day, PFI ALWAYS comes up right out of the gate. Why, No Idea. Does it have a connection. No Idea. Is is peculiar, YES.....It's very peculiar.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I have never heard it had anything to do with drugs except on here. The only thing I’ve heard is that it was sexually motivated. I highly doubt drugs because no money was taken.

You haven't talked to the right people then. Like I stated. This information doesn't come from these boards, it comes from talking to people that were close to the legal community that are very unwilling to discuss this case, other than saying that the case was about Drugs. Regardless of how police downplayed this angle in the media. Everyone that I have spoken to that works or worked in the legal community in this area will all tell you the SAME THING. And I am not a huge fan of coincidences. Again, you can't just rely on what has been published or posted publicly. Period. And as other's have said time and again, this case isn't going to be solved on these forums or from any information that has been posted publicly. And this information I've posted is about as close to what people in the know, will ever talk about. And I wouldn't post anything further even if I knew. But I think its important to talk about this case from the perspective beyond what was published publicly. Because that is where the answers to this case lie.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I have never heard it had anything to do with drugs except on here. The only thing I’ve heard is that it was sexually motivated. I highly doubt drugs because no money was taken.

How do you know no money was taken? Sherrill was stated to have had very little money in the bank, paid all her bills with money orders, and was said by police to be living beyond her means of income. How do you know that she didn't have a box of cash stashed in her closet? A box of cash that far exceeded anything that the perps would have cared about taking in her purse. How does anyone know that the crime even involved the taking of money. What if she owed someone money and the crime was one of revenge and didn't involve their desire at that point to obtain money but rather get revenge for a debt not paid. Again, you can't make assumptions and act like they are factual because that is when waters get muddied up. Just saying with all due respect intended.

 

[asyousay]

With all due respect, you are making assumptions. How do we know that Sherrill wasn't taken earlier in the evening? We don't. And, how do we know that the plan to take the two of them wasn't planed to be executed until the two of them were ultimately together that night. Who knew where Sherrill was going to be that night? Who knew where Susie was ultimately going to end up that night. Start with those facts and work your way out, would be my humble opinion.

Where is the proof Sherill was taken earlier though?

If Sherill was out at about 2am that doesn’t fit she was taken earlier does it?

Sherill was fine on the phone to her friend that night, she had furnished a dresser so didn’t seem to have any plans for a secret “boyfriend” to come over.

I think this all boils down Suzie and the company she kept. It came back to bite her on the arse and unfortunately her mum and friend paid the ultimate price.

Sherill had no known enemy’s that anybody can name. Stacey also seeemed like a straight laced kid.

There is a reason that Stacey’s parents didn’t want her staying over at Suzie’s home.

I still think the answer is in Suzie’s past relationships and who she hung around with and crossed.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

You haven't talked to the right people then. Like I stated. This information doesn't come from these boards, it comes from talking to people that were close to the legal community that are very unwilling to discuss this case, other than saying that the case was about Drugs. Regardless of how police downplayed this angle in the media. Everyone that I have spoken to that works or worked in the legal community in this area will all tell you the SAME THING. And I am not a huge fan of coincidences. Again, you can't just rely on what has been published or posted publicly. Period. And as other's have said time and again, this case isn't going to be solved on these forums or from any information that has been posted publicly. And this information I've posted is about as close to what people in the know, will ever talk about. And I wouldn't post anything further even if I knew. But I think its important to talk about this case from the perspective beyond what was published publicly. Because that is where the answers to this case lie.

No offense to you, but this all on your word. There is no evidence that these people said this to you. Also why in the world did these people feel ok confiding this information with you? To me that seems kind of odd.

 

[Santachrist]

To plan something for that night makes no sense unless Sherrill was the only target. Suzie’s plans were to spend the night with lots of friends elsewhere and not even be back in Springfield until late the next evening at the earliest. Sherrill was supposed to be alone that whole time.
Are you saying whoever did this had the knowledge or foresight that the girls would change their plans several times and go back to Delmar?

 

[asyousay]

To plan something for that night makes no sense unless Sherrill was the only target. Suzie’s plans were to spend the night with lots of friends elsewhere and not even be back in Springfield until late the next evening at the earliest. Sherrill was supposed to be alone that whole time.
Are you saying whoever did this had the knowledge or foresight that the girls would change their plans several times and go back to Delmar?

It makes so much sense with the confusion over graduation and so many random people in town. It’s the perfect cover.

How do you know Suzie wasn’t seen driving back to her home and followed that morning on the spur of the moment and things escalated ?

Suzie hadn’t even told her closest friends she wasn’t hanging with them that night and told them last minute about her change in plans.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

How do you know no money was taken? Sherrill was stated to have had very little money in the bank, paid all her bills with money orders, and was said by police to be living beyond her means of income. How do you know that she didn't have a box of cash stashed in her closet? A box of cash that far exceeded anything that the perps would have cared about taking in her purse. How does anyone know that the crime even involved the taking of money. What if she owed someone money and the crime was one of revenge and didn't involve their desire at that point to obtain money but rather get revenge for a debt not paid. Again, you can't make assumptions and act like they are factual because that is when waters get muddied up. Just saying with all due respect intended.

But everything you just wrote is an assumption. There is no proof of any of this.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Where is the proof Sherill was taken earlier though?

If Sherill was out at about 2am that doesn’t fit she was taken earlier does it?

Sherill was fine on the phone to her friend that night, she had furnished a dresser so didn’t seem to have any plans for a secret “boyfriend” to come over.

I think this all boils down Suzie and the company she kept. It came back to bite her on the arse and unfortunately her mum and friend paid the ultimate price.

Sherill had no known enemy’s that anybody can name. Stacey also seeemed like a straight laced kid.

There is a reason that Stacey’s parents didn’t want her staying over at Suzie’s home.

I still think the answer is in Suzie’s past relationships and who she hung around with and crossed.

I agree. And I was just throwing that possibility out there. I tend to agree with the APCO sighting, and/or that Sherrill being out at that early hour. I also agree that it potentially has to do with the company that Susie kept. But I have also heard, as I have said, that Sherrill may have been into things that were down played, and never made public. And publicly it has been said that "Sherrill made some poor choices". And to me, that says she or Susie was or were into something or around something, be it person or thing, that they shouldn't have been, and that they were naive about the capability to do what happened, of someone or someones they were connected to or around.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

But everything you just wrote is an assumption. There is no proof of any of this.

No, it's playing devils advocate. It's clearly speculation and was meant to be. All I was pointing out was that no one can make claim to anything as being factual, other than what is known as being factual. But in the same breath, you can't rule out anything, just because it wasn't stated in the media. Anything is possible. My advice is start with the facts of this case, not speculation, the known facts, and work your way out. Case in point. Was the porch globe found to be broken by JK and MH, Yes it was, at least as it was stated by JK and MH. Was a message erased from the answering machine, at least as it was stated by JK and MH. Yes it was. Was JK the last person to see the girls that night. Yes, yes she was according to JK. Were JK and MH the first people to discover that the girls were missing. Yes they were. Did Sherrill stay home that night as opposed to accepting the Kirby's offer to join them that night. Yes she did. Were Dustin Recla and Mike Kovac's Susies former boyfriends. Yes they were. Did Susie give police a statement in writing regarding the grave robbing crime. Yes she did. Did Steve Garrison know Dustin Recla. Yes he did. Did Steve Garrison give police information that had not been released to the public that a judge found held enough probable cause to justify the signing of a search warrant for one or more properties. Yes he did. Was Steven Garrison a convicted felon. Yes he was. Did he subsequently get convicted of a rape in which a deadly weapon was used. (Knife). Yes he was. See where I'm going. I'm not trying to line these things I've posted up with anything other than trying to say, start with all of the known facts, and then work your way out. Don't allow yourself to be sucked into speculation too far. All of us have done this, and I feel some degree of speculation has to be used, but start with the known facts. And I say this with all due respect intended. Honestly.

 

[intothenight]

Sherill doesn’t make sense as the victim of this crime considering she was home alone from 8pm-3am give or take.

So if this is about her why did this go down seemingly only when Suzie and Stacey got home?

These girls got ready for bed and Stacey got undressed and put the tv on. All these things indicate that things were fine in that house when the girls got home.

I don't think the timings are too much of a stretch.

It was the start of summer, the days are longer, and it's graduation. Sherrill's home was right off a main drag of road, and located right behind some businesses, so the chances of going unnoticed are much higher during the early hours of the morning. I believe the last known contact with her is reported as around 11-11.30pm on the 6th. Although I lean more towards this line of thinking (Sherrill targeted while home alone), I'm still torn on whether the entry of the male was forced or if she willingly opened the door to him.

Seen it mentioned quite a bit that this crime could run pretty deep (LE involvement, cover-ups, etc) - I think in a crime of this magnitude, there's always murmurings of things like that. I wouldn't be surprised if what went down runs deep, but not quite that deep. A lone male at the crime scene, maybe one or two others involved from there.

 

[intothenight]

Regarding the whole Apco tip, I saw that portion of the 48 hours special a few days back. One person believed it was Sherrill, another employee thought it definitely wasn't. One thing I've noticed about Sherrill is that she looks very different in almost every photo we've seen of her. Would've been interesting to know what photo was taken closest to the disappearance, because we have several of Suzie and Stacy.

 

[asyousay]

The one thing we know is the front door wasn’t forced.

So in the early hours of the morning why would Sherill open the front door to a stranger?

No single mother would willingly open a door to a stranger so that means that it was somebody Suzie or she knew and they felt safe opening the door.

LE never mentioned any signs of forced entry into the home elsewhere either.

 

[intothenight]

The one thing we know is the front door wasn’t forced.

So in the early hours of the morning why would Sherill open the front door to a stranger?

No single women would willingly open a door to a stranger so that means that it was somebody Suzie or she knew.

LE never mentioned any signs of forced entry into the home elsewhere either.

You're right, and Sherrill was reported as being pretty adamant about securing her home. By forced, I mean the potential of somebody knocking the door, Sherrill opening and then entry is forced. I think one thing we can assuredly rule out is a break-in.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

No, it's playing devils advocate. It's clearly speculation and was meant to be. All I was pointing out was that no one can make claim to anything as being factual, other than what is known as being factual. But in the same breath, you can't rule out anything, just because it wasn't stated in the media. Anything is possible. My advice is start with the facts of this case, not speculation, the known facts, and work your way out. Case in point. Was the porch globe found to be broken by JK and MH, Yes it was, at least as it was stated by JK and MH. Was a message erased from the answering machine, at least as it was stated by JK and MH. Yes it was. Was JK the last person to see the girls that night. Yes, yes she was according to JK. Were JK and MH the first people to discover that the girls were missing. Yes they were. Did Sherrill stay home that night as opposed to accepting the Kirby's offer to join them that night. Yes she did. Were Dustin Recla and Mike Kovac's Susies former boyfriends. Yes they were. Did Steve Garrison give police information that had not been released to the public that a judge found held enough probable cause to justify the signing of a search warrant for one or more properties. Yes he did. Was Steven Garrison a convicted felon. Yes he was. Did he subsequently get convicted of a rape in which a deadly weapon was used. (Knife). Yes he was. See where I'm going. I'm not trying to line these things I've posted up with anything other than trying to say, start with all of the known facts, and then work your way out. Don't allow yourself to be sucked into speculation too far. All of us have done this, and I feel some degree of speculation has to be used, but start with the known facts. And I say this with all due respect intended. Honestly.

I have done this. With all due respect you seem to speculate a lot for someone that tries to lecture on speculating.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I don't think the timings are too much of a stretch.

It was the start of summer, the days are longer, and it's graduation. Sherrill's home was right off a main drag of road, and located right behind some businesses, so the chances of going unnoticed are much higher during the early hours of the morning. I believe the last known contact with her is reported as around 11-11.30pm on the 6th. Although I lean more towards this line of thinking (Sherrill targeted while home alone), I'm still torn on whether the entry of the male was forced or if she willingly opened the door to him.

Seen it mentioned quite a bit that this crime could run pretty deep (LE involvement, cover-ups, etc) - I think in a crime of this magnitude, there's always murmurings of things like that. I wouldn't be surprised if what went down runs deep, but not quite that deep. A lone male at the crime scene, maybe one or two others involved from there.

Not meaning to beat a dead horse here, but speaking to what you've said, it is very spooky and strange how people are so unwilling to discuss this case, that were close to the legal community. Why? Especially 26-years later? Who the heck are they scared of. A cop? A high profile lawyer? A well connected and wealthy business person? A criminal organization?

 

[irisheyesofblue]

You're right, and Sherrill was reported as being pretty adamant about securing her home. By forced, I mean the potential of somebody knocking the door, Sherrill opening and then entry is forced. I think one thing we can assuredly rule out is a break-in.

Or if the person was already there when the girls arrived it was someone Sherrill knew.

 

[asyousay]

Levitt and Streeter always made their beds in the morning, friends
said. Yet their bedsheets were rumpled, indicating they may have
gone to sleep." KC Star, June 28, 1992

Just to back up my opinion on why I don’t think this happened when Sherill was home alone.

Also was it more common in a city like this to drive vans over cars?

I am just thinking whoever did this would of had to have had a big enough vehicle to pull this off.

 

[intothenight]

Not meaning to beat a dead horse here, but speaking to what you've said, it is very spooky and strange how people are so unwilling to discuss this case, that were close to the legal community. Why? Especially 26-years later? Who the heck are they scared of. A cop? A high profile lawyer? A well connected and wealthy business person? A criminal organization?

I wish I could answer that. One thing I can say is that I haven't really followed that aspect of the case, and perhaps it is worth some more consideration.

 

[intothenight]

Or if the person was already there when the girls arrived it was someone Sherrill knew.

Right. And it doesn't even necessarily mean it was a boyfriend or secret lover, as we know, that's not a requirement for this to have been sexually motivated.