Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #10

[irisheyesofblue]

Right. And it doesn't even necessarily mean it was a boyfriend or secret lover, as we know, that's not a requirement for this to have been sexually motivated.

Very true

 

[Valiant]

Also was it more common in a city like this to drive vans over cars?

I am just thinking whoever did this would of had to have had a big enough vehicle to pull this off.

I’m sure it was like any other area. Cars, trucks, and vans were all around. Vans were usually work vehicles, but common enough to seen all around. The suspected van was old enough not to be common though. Minivans were common then and would have the room, but they are full of windows.

As an example of how common vans are, for a while they thought the DC sniper might be using a white van because there’s almost always one nearby.

 

[flute4peace]

If this had anything to do with a thrill that person would definitely be a repeat offender.
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Yep

 

[flute4peace]

No, it's playing devils advocate. It's clearly speculation and was meant to be. All I was pointing out was that no one can make claim to anything as being factual, other than what is known as being factual. But in the same breath, you can't rule out anything, just because it wasn't stated in the media. Anything is possible. My advice is start with the facts of this case, not speculation, the known facts, and work your way out. Case in point. Was the porch globe found to be broken by JK and MH, Yes it was, at least as it was stated by JK and MH. Was a message erased from the answering machine, at least as it was stated by JK and MH. Yes it was. Was JK the last person to see the girls that night. Yes, yes she was according to JK. Were JK and MH the first people to discover that the girls were missing. Yes they were. Did Sherrill stay home that night as opposed to accepting the Kirby's offer to join them that night. Yes she did. Were Dustin Recla and Mike Kovac's Susies former boyfriends. Yes they were. Did Susie give police a statement in writing regarding the grave robbing crime. Yes she did. Did Steve Garrison know Dustin Recla. Yes he did. Did Steve Garrison give police information that had not been released to the public that a judge found held enough probable cause to justify the signing of a search warrant for one or more properties. Yes he did. Was Steven Garrison a convicted felon. Yes he was. Did he subsequently get convicted of a rape in which a deadly weapon was used. (Knife). Yes he was. See where I'm going. I'm not trying to line these things I've posted up with anything other than trying to say, start with all of the known facts, and then work your way out. Don't allow yourself to be sucked into speculation too far. All of us have done this, and I feel some degree of speculation has to be used, but start with the known facts. And I say this with all due respect intended. Honestly.

It could have been as simple as Recla having heard something about/from Suzie that ticked him off, he vented about her to Garrison, Garrison saw an opportunity to "help out his friend" while feeding his fantasies, and off he goes. People have killed for a lot less. Think bull in a field of cycling cows.

MOO

 

[asyousay]

I’m sure it was like any other area. Cars, trucks, and vans were all around. Vans were usually work vehicles, but common enough to seen all around. The suspected van was old enough not to be common though. Minivans were common then and would have the room, but they are full of windows.

As an example of how common vans are, for a while they thought the DC sniper might be using a white van because there’s almost always one nearby.

The minivan suspected to have been used for for this crime though seems so dodgy. I can’t believe they put up a minivan on the police lawn which actually probably hindered the case more than it helped it.

There was no credible sighting from the sounds of it so completely idiotic to put a likely match van as anybody who may of had any info may of seen that van and then thought well it doesn’t fit so I won’t report it.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

It could have been as simple as Recla having heard something about/from Suzie that ticked him off, he vented about her to Garrison, Garrison saw an opportunity to "help out his friend" while feeding his fantasies, and off he goes. People have killed for a lot less. Think bull in a field of cycling cows.

MOO

Dusty does not have a vandictive bone in his body and he was not friends with Garrison. Dusty is one of the sweetest, most easy going people I know.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

No offense to you, but this all on your word. There is no evidence that these people said this to you. Also why in the world did these people feel ok confiding this information with you? To me that seems kind of odd.

Taken by itself being said by only one person, I would certainly agree with you. But when you look at the totality of what has been said, by multiple people, who have no known connection to each other, but have traveled in the same circles of various legal entities in Springfield, it starts adding more and more of a degree of veracity to their statements. And I will speak to the other thing you said. They aren't confiding in me at all. In fact the very opposite is true. These people I've spoken to are tighter than clam shells when it comes to talking about what they know about the case. The ONLY thing I have ever been able to get out of almost all of them is that Drugs were involved in one way or another. But to get anything further out of them has been impossible. That's why I said that it's very spooky how tight lipped people in the know seem to be about the case, which in and of itself just leads to more questions, and even more suspicion. So yes, various people have spoken to me about the case, but really no further than the drug angle, no matter how hard I tried to pry the information or even the smallest of leads out of them. So the question then becomes why? Why are people who aren't even part of the investigation not willing to discuss the case? Seem to be "Purely Speculating Here", there there is much more to this case than all of us know. Why else would people who have no direct connection to the case, not be willing to discuss what they have gleaned about the case over the years from the legal circles they have traveled in? Why? Answer, I have no idea. But I find it very strange and suspicious.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Dusty does not have a vandictive bone in his body and he was not friends with Garrison. Dusty is one of the sweetest, most easy going people I know.

Well according to your husband Dustin knew Garrison and hung out with Garrison for a brief period of time prior to these crimes being committed. That is what Santa has publicly stated in the past. Not trying to be contrary, but facts are facts, and what has been stated in the past is exactly what has been stated in the past.

 

[asyousay]

Dusty does not have a vandictive bone in his body and he was not friends with Garrison. Dusty is one of the sweetest, most easy going people I know.

Well he wasn’t exactly sweet when they were stealing off the dead and committing crimes around Springfield.

He can be a monk now for all I care but at 19 he certainly had a reason to to hurt Suzie. All of the grave robbers had a motive to hurt her.

 

[Santachrist]

Well according to your husband Dustin knew Garrison and hung out with Garrison for a brief period of time prior to these crimes being committed. That is what Santa has publicly stated in the past. Not trying to be contrary, but facts are facts, and what has been stated in the past is exactly what has been stated in the past.

I love how spending a few seconds in the same room together equals “a brief period of time”. That’s quality spin right there.

 

[Santachrist]

Well he wasn’t exactly sweet when they were stealing off the dead and committing crimes around Springfield.

He can be a monk now for all I care but at 19 he certainly had a reason to to hurt Suzie. All of the grave robbers had a motive to hurt her.

He stood outside the crypt while Joe and I went in. He never touched anything. His only real involvement was using his ID to pawn the gold.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Taken by itself being said by only one person, I would certainly agree with you. But when you look at the totality of what has been said, by multiple people, who have no known connection to each other, but have traveled in the same circles of various legal entities in Springfield, it starts adding more and more of a degree of veracity to their statements. And I will speak to the other thing you said. They aren't confiding in me at all. In fact the very opposite is true. These people I've spoken to are tighter than clam shells when it comes to talking about what they know about the case. The ONLY thing I have ever been able to get out of almost all of them is that Drugs were involved in one way or another. But to get anything further out of them has been impossible. That's why I said that it's very spooky how tight lipped people in the know seem to be about the case, which in and of itself just leads to more questions, and even more suspicion. So yes, various people have spoken to me about the case, but really no further than the drug angle, no matter how hard I tried to pry the information or even the smallest of leads out of them. So the question then becomes why? Why are people who aren't even part of the investigation not willing to discuss the case? Seem to be "Purely Speculating Here", there there is much more to this case than all of us know. Why else would people who have no direct connection to the case, not be willing to discuss what they have gleaned about the case over the years from the legal circles they have traveled in? Why? Answer, I have no idea. But I find it very strange and suspicious.

Again this is all by your word. None of this is public knowledge and you are the only one stating this publicly so again no offense, but I do not know who these people you speak of are and the only things I know about this is from you. There is no evidence of this other than from you.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Well he wasn’t exactly sweet when they were stealing off the dead and committing crimes around Springfield.

He can be a monk now for all I care but at 19 he certainly had a reason to to hurt Suzie. All of the grave robbers had a motive to hurt her.

How in the world do they have motive to hurt her? Joe is the one that talked too much at a party that led to them being caught. Joe is the one that made a statement and took a plea deal to testify against Mike and Dusty in order to avoid jail. All Suzie did was make a statement just like Dusty and Joe.

 

[asyousay]

He stood outside the crypt while Joe and I went in. He never touched anything. His only real involvement was using his ID to pawn the gold.

Thanks for clearing that up but he still didn’t try and stop you all or did he?

Standing outside is still a active part of the crime as I’m assuming he was standing watch?

 

[Santachrist]

Thanks for clearing that up but he still didn’t try and stop you all or did he?

Standing outside is still a active part of the crime as I’m assuming he was standing watch?

No, he didn’t try and stop us. He was guilty of standing there and not stopping his friends from doing something stupid then helping to sell the gold. He even drank some of the beer we bought with the money from the gold.

A truly hardened criminal. /s

And that’s why he only got probation and a suspended sentence (no jail time) for his part of the crime.

 

[asyousay]

How in the world do they have motive to hurt her? Joe is the one that talked too much at a party that led to them being caught. Joe is the one that made a statement and took a plea deal to testify against Mike and Dusty in order to avoid jail. All Suzie did was make a statement just like Dusty and Joe.

You may be telling the truth for all I know but you obviously are married to a suspect so everything you say I have to naturally take with a pinch of salt.

I don’t know you and so fact you are trying to paint your husband and other people involved as whiter than white and everybody still loved Suzie to me doesn’t ring true. I admire you for coming on here and trying to set the record straight but everybody is free to make up their own mind what you are telling us.


I personally don’t believe Suzie grassed them all up and everybody sat around happily clapping that she had done so. It’s my prerogative to believe that.

It’s a shame we can’t hold a poll on here to see how many people still believe the Grave Robbers had a motive coz I’m betting the majority on here still do believe they did despite you thinking otherwise.

Revenge is still my movtive for this crime and the 3 fit right into that.

 

[asyousay]

No, he didn’t try and stop us. He was guilty of standing there and not stopping his friends from doing something stupid then helping to sell the gold. He even drank some of the beer we bought with the money from the gold.

A truly hardened criminal. /s

And that’s why he only got probation and a suspended sentence (no jail time) for his part of the crime.

Thank you , so not quite so sweet as you’re wife is trying to portray him.

Sweet people don’t normally take part in such crimes as it’s a pretty low thing to do and to be honest until this this crime I had never even heard of such a crime. How sad and desperate do you have to be to want to steal off the dead?!

 

[Santachrist]

You may be telling the truth for all I know but you obviously are married to a suspect so everything you say I have to naturally take with a pinch of salt.

I don’t know you and so fact you are trying to paint your husband and other people involved as whiter than white and everybody still loved Suzie to me doesn’t ring true. I admire you for coming on here and trying to set the record straight but everybody is free to make up their own mind what you are telling us.


I personally don’t believe Suzie grassed them all up and everybody sat around happily clapping that she had done so. It’s my prerogative to believe that.

It’s a shame we can’t hold a poll on here to see how many people still believe the Grave Robbers had a motive coz I’m betting the majority on here still do believe they did despite you thinking otherwise.

Revenge is still my movtive for this crime and the 3 fit right into that.

Revenge for writing the exact same statement as Dusty and Joe?
Were they upset that her handwriting was more legible?

Edit: spelling

 

[Santachrist]

Thank you , so not quite so sweet as you’re wife is trying to portray him.

Sweet people don’t normally take part in such crimes as it’s a pretty low thing to do and to be honest until this this crime I had never even heard of such a crime. How sad and desperate do you have to be to want to steal off the dead?!

Twist it however you like. Dusty is still one of the nicest people you’d ever meet. He just didn’t try and stop his friends from doing something stupid and has paid the price for it.
And we didn’t set out to rob the dead. We were walking thru the cemetery and I pointed out the window in the crypt was unbreakable plexiglass. Joe took it as a challenge, picked up a big rock and smashed it against the plexiglass until it fell into the crypt. Then he climbed in.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

You may be telling the truth for all I know but you obviously are married to a suspect so everything you say I have to naturally take with a pinch of salt.

I don’t know you and so fact you are trying to paint your husband and other people involved as whiter than white and everybody still loved Suzie to me doesn’t ring true. I admire you for coming on here and trying to set the record straight but everybody is free to make up their own mind what you are telling us.


I personally don’t believe Suzie grassed them all up and everybody sat around happily clapping that she had done so. It’s my prerogative to believe that.

It’s a shame we can’t hold a poll on here to see how many people still believe the Grave Robbers had a motive coz I’m betting the majority on here still do believe they did despite you thinking otherwise.

Revenge is still my movtive for this crime and the 3 fit right into that.

You are correct I can’t make you believe me, but everything I stated is 100% true and with this straight from the case file. However, dismissing what I have to say because it does not fit your box is not going to get this solved.

I came on here because I do want this solved. Having misinformation out there is not going to help solve this. I’m not trying to make Mike or Dusty seem better than they are, just telling the truth. If I believed for a sec either had anything to do with this I would of left a long time ago and would of gone to the police.