Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #10

[SpringfieldMan341]

I just want to know why in the world Sherrill would be out looking for the daughter she wasn't expecting home at the Apco and why the clerk, who "knew her", got the car wrong?

Is it written somewhere that the clerk knew her?

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Another red herring and nothing to contribute to the case, nothing else was noted about that supposed singular appearance of Sherrill's stepping briefly in to "look around" and the clerk didn't get the three women. I doubt seriously it happened THAT night. If it did it doesn't lead anywhere anyways.

Well, it certainly has meaning. It means Sherrill was expecting trouble. Means the perps are in Sherrill's background.

Then you have to ask also, why were the cops dismissing this lead as nonsense?

 

[Catmommy]

Um, because it IS nonsense.

 

[Catmommy]

Like focusing on the broken light cover when the light bulb itself was still intact and WORKING. A hard slam of the door if the globe wasn't screwed in tightly could've dislodged it when the girls got in. Tired from a long day and night they might have chosen NOT to clean it up then. Signifies nothing except a broken light globe - nothing of evidentiary importance as far as DNA or prints. Just an interesting fact.

 

[Missouri Mule]

I think the biggest think the two biggest things I take away from what you've posted here is, Number one, The APCO clerk had no incentive to lie what so ever! Number two Kathy Kirby and her account of hearing the girls and what they were saying to each other, and then saying she heard her daughter come in to the house for the night. As well as how defensive she got regarding the APCO clerks sighting, vs her story and Sherrill knowing exactly where the girls were if she was so concerned. Sherrill had no idea where the girls were that night other than briefly at JK's house. And why is Kathy Kirby getting so defensive regarding the APCO clerk, saying, "Im not meaning to call anyone a liar". She should have no vested interest in what the APCO clerk said, unless she's making up a story and trying to defend her "Story". Just my opinion.

I am dubious about the APCO sighting but have no way to dispute it from where I sit.

I have often wondered why Mrs. Kirby seemed offended by being queried about it. Why not simply say she knew nothing about it?

Evidently she is implying that since the girls would be staying there that Mrs. McCall would naturally call her first. Why bring up the pejorative term of a “liar.”

Seems odd to me.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Um, because it IS nonsense.

You know this...how?

Cops are right sometimes (Apco) but wrong sometimes (Joe being in town). Is that the game?

So when are they right and when are they wrong?

The only resistance to the APCO sighting is someone named Wanda on 48 Hours from Fast n' Friendly (across the street over 500 feet away--and dark) who claimed she saw who clerk Steve Thompson claimed was Sherrill as someone else. Why would Steve Thompson lie?

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

I am dubious about the APCO sighting but have no way to dispute it from where I sit.

I have often wondered why Mrs. Kirby seemed offended by being queried about it. Why not simply say she knew nothing about it?

Evidently she is implying that since the girls would be staying there that Mrs. McCall would naturally call her first. Why bring up the pejorative term of a “liar.”

Seems odd to me.

Why does Kathy Kirby's word mean much here? Steve Thompson has a better timeline than most people. He ID'd the women and wasn't half asleep like Kathy Kirby or in a drunken party haze (like the other teens). He was at work. He gets 10 customers or so a night. What's he lying for? Attention? Really?

How many people who look like Sherrill are poking their head in "nervously" as he said and asking if he'd seen her daughter and "two friends" (assuming she meant Janelle too).

The one other piece of resistance is Mary Keller, Sherrill's friend, who says she wouldn't be out "whistling in the wind" unless Suzie was hurt or sick. Obviously there are other reasons that might get Sherrill out of the house. The problem is that the people interviewed may not have known Sherrill as much as they think.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Why does Kathy Kirby's word mean much here? Steve Thompson has a better timeline than most people. He ID'd the women and wasn't half asleep like Kathy Kirby or in a drunken party haze (like the other teens). He was at work. He gets 10 customers or so a night. What's he lying for? Attention? Really?

How many people who look like Sherrill are poking their head in "nervously" as he said and asking if he'd seen her daughter and "two friends" (assuming she meant Janelle too).

The one other piece of resistance is Mary Keller, Sherrill's friend, who says she wouldn't be out "whistling in the wind" unless Suzie was hurt or sick. Obviously there are other reasons that might get Sherrill out of the house. The problem is that the people interviewed may not have known Sherrill as much as they think.

I don’t believe I said he was lying. Perhaps he was simply mistaken.

My larger point was in the way Mrs. Kirby responded.

 

[chestnut&bypass]

Just throwing this out there....is it possible Sherrill went to the Kirby house and Suzie wasn't there? Has anyone other than Janelle vouched for Suzie and Stacy being at Janelle's?

 

[MooseMeMuch]

I did this.

Does Cold Justice investigate cases that could potentially be RICO? What's policy if they come across questionable acts of law enforcement involvement? I say that because there are documents that the Clays have that do not match up with police-released statements in both print and on Ozarks Public Television and KY3. Along with timelines changing over the years. I am not sure LE is involved but there are definite questions I have for them. And I would assume Cold Justice would sniff that immediately too.

Cool, thank you for encouraging SPD!
What does RICO stand for?
Did you check back on the 'tip' site for an answer from SPD?
When I submitted SPD was encouraging recruitment of others.
I see your point esp on the 'dancing' timeline. CJ will definitely get that hammered out.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Cool, thank you for encouraging SPD!
What does RICO stand for?
Did you check back on the 'tip' site for an answer from SPD?
When I submitted SPD was encouraging recruitment of others.
I see your point esp on the 'dancing' timeline. CJ will definitely get that hammered out.

Racketeer Influenced & Corrupt Organizations Act
(R.I.C.O.)
And it is interesting that the Ozark Organized Crime Task Force was part of the initial investigation as stated in the Springfield News-Leader shortly after the crime occurred. Question is why were they involved? You'd think there would have had to have been something that drew them into the investigation?

 

[Catmommy]

People want to help and sometimes insert themselves into investigations to do so, or to learn things, or to bring attention to themselves, or because they are mistaken about the time, the night, that person. It's what complicates many investigations. Also, we don't know this person so how do we know his work ethic? How do we know he doesn't drink on the job or indulge in meds that might cloud his judgment? NOT saying he did or does, saying there's no way to know.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

People want to help and sometimes insert themselves into investigations to do so, or to learn things, or to bring attention to themselves, or because they are mistaken about the time, the night, that person. It's what complicates many investigations. Also, we don't know this person so how do we know his work ethic? How do we know he doesn't drink on the job or indulge in meds that might cloud his judgment? NOT saying he did or does, saying there's no way to know.

I suppose you're right, but if you deconstruct it that much, why stop there? How do we know anything is anything? How do we know the cops are right? How do we know Michelle or Mike are right? Etc. etc.

I believe the clerk.

 

[Catmommy]

Your prerogative for sure. If his sighting was correct though, why did Sherrill only stop there? Why didn't she call the other places her daughter could have been? Why wasn't she seen looking for her daughter anywhere by anyone else?

The clerk may have seen her. I don't believe it was THAT particular night, my prerogative.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Just throwing this out there....is it possible Sherrill went to the Kirby house and Suzie wasn't there? Has anyone other than Janelle vouched for Suzie and Stacy being at Janelle's?

Mrs. Kirby said she heard the girls conversation concerning Stacy following Suzie's to Suzie's house......and Mrs. Kirby also said she heard Janelle coming into the house.

As far as Sherrill actually going to the Kirby house? Not to my knowledge but we only have Janelle and Mrs. Kirby's testimonies.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Is it written somewhere that the clerk knew her?

Not to my knowledge. Not stated in the News-Leader article(s) I posted on Thread #9.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Your prerogative for sure. If his sighting was correct though, why did Sherrill only stop there? Why didn't she call the other places her daughter could have been? Why wasn't she seen looking for her daughter anywhere by anyone else?

The clerk may have seen her. I don't believe it was THAT particular night, my prerogative.

How often do women who look like Sherrill come in asking people if they seen her daughter and two friends within the same time frame of the said missing?

Also did you know Sherrill was spotted down the street east of the gas station just 20 minutes prior? Cops never found that customer of Apco who said that to Steve Thompson though. Why not just ASK Steve Thompson about it?

Again, I see no incentive to lie. And to prove it wrong in lawyer/cross-examination fashion is certainly fine. It seems that it is a BIG clue for this case and it's being easily dismissed in a case with very little clues.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Your prerogative for sure. If his sighting was correct though, why did Sherrill only stop there? Why didn't she call the other places her daughter could have been? Why wasn't she seen looking for her daughter anywhere by anyone else?

The clerk may have seen her. I don't believe it was THAT particular night, my prerogative.

I believe it was 'that' night. With that, you ask some excellent questions. I need to dig this up (again) Mrs. Kirby 'made a point' to say Sherrill didn't call their house (looking for Suzie) as in Sherrill was instructed to call the Kirby's if she needed information.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

How often do women who look like Sherrill come in asking people if they seen her daughter and two friends within the same time frame of the said missing?

Also did you know Sherrill was spotted down the street east of the gas station just 20 minutes prior? Cops never found that customer of Apco who said that to Steve Thompson though. Why not just ASK Steve Thompson about it?

Again, I see no incentive to lie. And to prove it wrong in lawyer/cross-examination fashion is certainly fine. It seems that it is a BIG clue for this case and it's being easily dismissed in a case with very little clues.

Interesting info I had not heard of a 2nd person seeing Sherrill...not that many 'frantic' mom's out at 2 ish a.m.
And yes, he had no vested interested to 'make up' such a story.

The first article I found in the News-Leader concerning the missing women was the 9th (Tuesday) it wouldn't be a big stretch to remember back to Saturday night.

Too many coincidences to not take seriously.

 

[Catmommy]

Curious if the clerk took a lie detector test - I doubt it. What might be of use is to have ALL who took one years ago take another now.