Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #10

[dale4172]

Parade Magazine, 1988, Overland park, Ks. ie drug bust with 25 pounds cocaine in basement and the person stating " I'll never run out ".

 

[dale4172]

That's thirty years ago folks.

 

[dale4172]

Citing sources I can lead but you'll have to dig them out. I'll help but I'm not just throwing them out there. I have the sources I've referenced.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

To be honest I’ve never thought about it before. I really have no idea.

Thank you for responding and being honest. Just my two cents worth about what happen. This was a crime of opportunity i believe. When the girls arrived home that early evening morning whichever they were seen watched by someone/perhaps two in a parked vehicle near by, across the street whatever. No men were seen and they soon discovered the girls were alone. Long story short facing looking out the screen/glass dor the door open left to right. It is my hunch they broke the light globe to have someone inside open the door which may had been locked. once opened they made entrance and the girls were taken some point after. They may have parked right next to house on the little drive way there on side or next door across the fence, whichever but right there. I do believe one day they will be found since this was not preplanned but an oppertunily that arose that night. Three girls not taken far for that is risky. But disposed of well, out of sight at a spot known about from the past that could be assessed at night with much privacy. And probably taken there not long after leaving the house. This one or two, two better to handle three women instead of one. But these two probably have never committed another crime such as this again. if any. This was more of a adrenaline rush crime then a crime itself. They may had been getting high themselves on some stimulate across the street parked. And seen the girls arrive home. And they wanted to increase there stimulate high even more with what they did that night.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Yes and it can get ya killed. Don't stumble onto anything much. Not trying to be cryptic in a post. Routes, organizations, individuals and the consequent results are areas I have and should be looked at, IMO

Dale, I couldn't agree with you more. It is spooky how tight lipped people are about this case that seem to have valid inside information about it. People who have heard solid info on this case won't talk about it to save their life. No pun intended. Makes me wonder what on earth this case was really about beyond the motive, and who is so scary that people are that scared to even discuss the case, even a little bit, 26-years later?

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Can you name other crime of opportunities that involved more than 2 persons? That went unsolved...

This was a highly orchestrated crime, I believe.

 

[TedMac]

Can you name other crime of opportunities that involved more than 2 persons? That went unsolved...

This was a highly orchestrated crime, I believe.

If you are asking about multiple victims there is the Fort Worth 3, Short family (Michael Mary & Jennifer Short) in Henry County VA, the Indiana Dunes 3 back in the 1960s, the Kingfish Boat Ramp Murders in Holmes Beach FL, The Yogurt Shop Murders in Austin TX, The Freeman family & Lauria Bible (total of 4) in OK and the Lake, Frank & Scarborough murders in Dale City VA. All of these are unsolved. So, it is unknown which were crimes of opportunities. It is felt by LE that several of these were crimes of opportunities.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Can you name other crime of opportunities that involved more than 2 persons? That went unsolved...

This was a highly orchestrated crime, I believe.

I'm starting to believe the same thing. Very planned out, and def. premeditated, not a spur of the moment crime. I think they knew who they were after, when they were going to commit the crime, and what they were going to do with the women after the crime was committed. I think it was only two may be three people. And I also think that at least two of these people are definitely known regardless of whether they deny any knowledge of it. Who had motive? Who was in trouble at the time?

 

[dale4172]

If you are asking about multiple victims there is the Fort Worth 3, Short family (Michael Mary & Jennifer Short) in Henry County VA, the Indiana Dunes 3 back in the 1960s, the Kingfish Boat Ramp Murders in Holmes Beach FL, The Yogurt Shop Murders in Austin TX, The Freeman family & Lauria Bible (total of 4) in OK and the Lake, Frank & Scarborough murders in Dale City VA. All of these are unsolved. So, it is unknown which were crimes of opportunities. It is felt by LE that several of these were crimes of opportunities.

The Freeman Family & Bible was recently solved IIRC. 12 people held knowledge for uppdend years and police dismissed information.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

If you are asking about multiple victims there is the Fort Worth 3, Short family (Michael Mary & Jennifer Short) in Henry County VA, the Indiana Dunes 3 back in the 1960s, the Kingfish Boat Ramp Murders in Holmes Beach FL, The Yogurt Shop Murders in Austin TX, The Freeman family & Lauria Bible (total of 4) in OK and the Lake, Frank & Scarborough murders in Dale City VA. All of these are unsolved. So, it is unknown which were crimes of opportunities. It is felt by LE that several of these were crimes of opportunities.

A lot of the crimes you mentioned were crimes that were planned.

I'm talking about the following:

-Abduction where greater than two adults (not children) happened all at once
-No bodies found

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

I'm starting to believe the same thing. Very planned out, and def. premeditated, not a spur of the moment crime. I think they knew who they were after, when they were going to commit the crime, and what they were going to do with the women after the crime was committed. I think it was only two may be three people. And I also think that at least two of these people are definitely known regardless of whether they deny any knowledge of it. Who had motive? Who was in trouble at the time?

I think the one "complication" to this crime was Stacy. As it appears the perps were after Sherrill and Suzie at the Delmar address. And assuming the FBI and SPD were right in their assumptions about the perps based on their totality of information.

This case reeks of organized crime or possible corrupt law enforcement involvement. It's the only thing that makes sense. And I do not mean organized crime in just the bike gang or mob sense. But that there were multiple layers to the whole thing. With lots of protection by person(s) in LE.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Something a person more familiar with this case than me once said that I really agree with:

If LE knows who did this crime, why did they spend so many resources traveling to visit notorious criminals like Cox (1996) and Hall (2012)? Why the multiple searches and digs?

To placate the public? And if so, why? You can't have it both ways when it comes to LE "knowing who committed this crime" and LE "grasping at straws" with suspects like Cox and Hall. Doesn't add up.

 

[Ozoner]

Something a person more familiar with this case than me once said that I really agree with:

If LE knows who did this crime, why did they spend so many resources traveling to visit notorious criminals like Cox (1996) and Hall (2012)? Why the multiple searches and digs?

To placate the public? And if so, why? You can't have it both ways when it comes to LE "knowing who committed this crime" and LE "grasping at straws" with suspects like Cox and Hall. Doesn't add up.

Unfortunately, the multiple suspects that have been named tend to create reasonable doubt for anyone that LE might charge.
If DR and an accomplice were charged, they could point to Cox's comments and to the rumors about PFI, etc.

 

[TedMac]

The Freeman Family & Bible was recently solved IIRC. 12 people held knowledge for uppdend years and police dismissed information.

Yes, this case was solved, but Ashley & Lauria' bodies have never been found.

 

[TedMac]

A lot of the crimes you mentioned were crimes that were planned.

I'm talking about the following:

-Abduction where greater than two adults (not children) happened all at once
-No bodies found

My apologies, I misunderstood. That leaves the Fort Worth 3 and the Indiana Dunes 3. No bodies have been found in either of these cases and their disappearances may or may not have been planned.

 

[Santachrist]

I think the one "complication" to this crime was Stacy. As it appears the perps were after Sherrill and Suzie at the Delmar address. And assuming the FBI and SPD were right in their assumptions about the perps based on their totality of information.

This case reeks of organized crime or possible corrupt law enforcement involvement. It's the only thing that makes sense. And I do not mean organized crime in just the bike gang or mob sense. But that there were multiple layers to the whole thing. With lots of protection by person(s) in LE.

Why? Because you can’t figure it out, it must be a complicated and coordinated conspiracy committed by people with connections to LE? That’s weak.
In my opinion, throwing “organized crime” into the mix is making this way more complex that it needs to be.
One person could have had Sherrill in her bedroom when the girls came home and could have kept her quiet with threats of violence toward her or her daughter. Suzie and Stacey most likely thought Sherrill was sleeping (it was really late at night by the time they got there, right?) and they would have done their best to be as quiet as possible when they got home so they wouldn’t wake up Sherrill. They had probably been drinking a little at the parties and didn’t want to get into any trouble so they would want to avoid being around her mom as much as possible.
Any little thing could have set things off after they got ready for bed. A strange noise from Sherrill’s room and Suzie would want to check on her mom. Perhaps she just wanted to say goodnight to her mom and knocked on her door. It could have been any reason. But whatever it was would have caused things to spiral out of control.
Then after 18 or so people unknowingly contaminated the crime scene the next day, the cops are out of luck finding anything they can use to prosecute anyone.

One man with a little bit of dumb luck. Uncomplicated.

(And after reading the CNN article about how little SPD cared about gathering and keeping evidence or investigating rape cases, who knows how much they actually did while investigating this crime?)

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I think the one "complication" to this crime was Stacy. As it appears the perps were after Sherrill and Suzie at the Delmar address. And assuming the FBI and SPD were right in their assumptions about the perps based on their totality of information.

This case reeks of organized crime or possible corrupt law enforcement involvement. It's the only thing that makes sense. And I do not mean organized crime in just the bike gang or mob sense. But that there were multiple layers to the whole thing. With lots of protection by person(s) in LE.

That's an interesting perspective. The only think I will say contrary to this is, it may just boil down to LE knowing, but not having solid evidence. I personally think this case is not a complicated one. Most people who investigate crimes for a living will tell you that usually the simplest answer is usually the most correct, and that most crimes are not ones of complication. And most crimes in which police know who did it, but the persons identity is never released to the public, nor prosecuted, almost always involve a case where solid prosecutable evidence is lacking. Remember, the 5th Amendment to the constitution states that a person can not be tried twice for a crime that they were already tried for, and found innocent. No Double Jeopardy Allowed. Just my opinion.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Thank you for responding and being honest. Just my two cents worth about what happen. This was a crime of opportunity i believe. When the girls arrived home that early evening morning whichever they were seen watched by someone/perhaps two in a parked vehicle near by, across the street whatever. No men were seen and they soon discovered the girls were alone. Long story short facing looking out the screen/glass dor the door open left to right. It is my hunch they broke the light globe to have someone inside open the door which may had been locked. once opened they made entrance and the girls were taken some point after. They may have parked right next to house on the little drive way there on side or next door across the fence, whichever but right there. I do believe one day they will be found since this was not preplanned but an oppertunily that arose that night. Three girls not taken far for that is risky. But disposed of well, out of sight at a spot known about from the past that could be assessed at night with much privacy. And probably taken there not long after leaving the house. This one or two, two better to handle three women instead of one. But these two probably have never committed another crime such as this again. if any. This was more of a adrenaline rush crime then a crime itself. They may had been getting high themselves on some stimulate across the street parked. And seen the girls arrive home. And they wanted to increase there stimulate high even more with what they did that night.

Thank you for sharing. I see this highly unlikely considering the only place there seems to have been any struggle possibly was in Sherrill’s room considering her closet appeared messy and that too could of been from other reasons. I just don’t see in this circumstance that they would not fight.

Also when it comes to adrenaline I find that ones that seek it out need to more than a one and done kind of thing. They usually try and push it further. I know when I’m sea kayaking once I crash through a wave I can not get enough waves.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

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[Scooby Doo 4U]

Thank you for sharing. I see this highly unlikely considering the only place there seems to have been any struggle possibly was in Sherrill’s room considering her closet appeared messy and that too could of been from other reasons. I just don’t see in this circumstance that they would not fight.

Also when it comes to adrenaline I find that ones that seek it out need to more than a one and done kind of thing. They usually try and push it further. I know when I’m sea kayaking once I crash through a wave I can not get enough waves.

But think of it this way instead. What if it was a crime of necessity or revenge as opposed to one of thrill seeking. I understand and agree with what you've said about thrill seekers for sure. But if the crime was one of necessity or revenge then it is most probable that they never committed this type of behavior again. In the Necessity scenario more than the revenge. Necessity can only arise on a limited basis, revenge much more than that, as it pertains to character traits of individuals. But if someone was owed money, or someone feared someone was going to talk to police, or if someone felt slighted and had to get even.