Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[Ozoner]

Finding out what happened that night at the different parties might lead to a motive. I think they need to reinterview classmates and friends.

We've talked about how a cop might have pulled this off, and someone mentioned that one of the house parties was broken up by the cops. I hope the cops that broke up the party were checked out. There are undoubtedly some SK's among the ranks of LE (à la Gerard Schaefer); the job is a perfect cover.

 

[cherrymeg]

I agree. Someone could have removed the picture because they were in it. Where did you see it said that there was a photograph missing from a picture frame? I recall this being said on some forums, but have never read it in any news reports. Det. Asher said that there were some photos missing from the graduation pictures Susie had taken. He makes this statement in the video where he's in the office of the photographer. The one where he also states that some of the pictures were kind of racy, and that he'd like to talk to the person who has the other pictures. Something like that.

I thought Bartt said something about missing pictures on Disappeared. I don't know if he mentioned framed photos. Good catch.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Is it monkeyman (not sure if that is the right name)?

That is exactly who Missouri Mule is referring to. However, he's incorrect about monkeyman. From what I read on the forums between Missouri Mule and Monkeyman, that accusation evolved solely from disagreements and arguements the two of them had, then all of a sudden Monkeyman was being accused of being a suspect by Missouri Mule. Monkeyman isn't the only person I saw that was accused of being a suspect, after a disagreement with Missouri Mule. Sorry Missouri Mule, I'm only repeating what I read on the forums. May be you should clarify this issue?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I thought Bartt said something about missing pictures on Disappeared. I don't know if he mentioned framed photos. Good catch.

You might be right. I'll have to go look at that video again just to be sure.

 

[Ibiz]

The question you pose really isn't logical. If he was there to rape, why would he have bothered to take any money? In that scenario, the culprit would have cared about sexual gratification, not financial gain.



If this was a sex crime, and if the culprit went through the purses, he was probably looking for trophies or for something that would arouse him sexually (like a diaphragm).



Many people traipsed through the house. The crime scene was compromised, so it's impossible to know whether there was deliberate staging.


Most people assume that the crime was either connected to the grave-robbing trial or sexually motivated. In the first case, Suzie would have the target. In the second case, Suzie would have been the most likely target (because she lived there), but Stacy can't be ruled out. Sherrill would have made a very unlikely target of a planned sex crime. She could have been targeted for a different reason, but people are playing the percentages in saying that she probably wasn't the target.

I think you hit the nail on the head. In 1992, no perp would leave $900.00 to stage a crime scene. This clearey states that robbery was not the motive. Also, the house was not rifled through. This means the perp(s) tooked what they came for and left very quickly.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I think you hit the nail on the head. In 1992, no perp would leave $900.00 to stage a crime scene. This clearey states that robbery was not the motive. Also, the house was not rifled through. This means the perp(s) tooked what they came for and left very quickly.

I don't think robbery was the motive either. I think this crime was committed for either, Revenge, Sexual Reasons, or to keep someone from testifying in an upcoming trial, and potentially revealing other crimes that someone was involved in, or connected to. JMO

 

[Ibiz]

I don't think robbery was the motive either. I think this crime was committed for either, Revenge, Sexual Reasons, or to keep someone from testifying in an upcoming trial, and potentially revealing other crimes that someone was involved in, or connected to. JMO

I would think a boyfriend/ex boyfriend or husband should be looked at very carefully. As well as stranger danger. Watching the 48-hours doc, some things seemed suspicious to me.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I would think a boyfriend/ex boyfriend or husband should be looked at very carefully. As well as stranger danger. Watching the 48-hours doc, some things seemed suspicious to me.

You know, if you look at what police were asking of the public recently, they said, "Someone has to know something. May be an Ex-wife, or girlfriend. Someone who was familiar with the comings and goings of the perp. The perp had to have spent considerable time out that night, and may be was normal for that person to be out and about at strange hours". This is not a direct quote, but rather paraphrased because I didn't want to search for the exact quote, but it is close. It is also very interesting that the police used that particular reference, "An Ex-wife, or Girlfriend". Who does it sound like they are reaching out to there?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I would think a boyfriend/ex boyfriend or husband should be looked at very carefully. As well as stranger danger. Watching the 48-hours doc, some things seemed suspicious to me.

What do you think is suspicious. I would love to hear what you think.

 

[chestnut&bypass]

You know, if you look at what police were asking of the public recently, they said, "Someone has to know something. May be an Ex-wife, or girlfriend. Someone who was familiar with the comings and goings of the perp. The perp had to have spent considerable time out that night, and may be was normal for that person to be out and about at strange hours". This is not a direct quote, but rather paraphrased because I didn't want to search for the exact quote, but it is close. It is also very interesting that the police used that particular reference, "An Ex-wife, or Girlfriend". Who does it sound like they are reaching out to there?

Cox's wife or girlfriend that concocted the phony alibi fits here....

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Cox's wife or girlfriend that concocted the phony alibi fits here....

I agree with you. Also, someone else that we've all been talking about does too. If you catch what I'm saying. And that someone, has an ex-husband and boyfriend (Same Person) who's whereabouts and timeline weren't able to be corroborated by police. That could be another possibility.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I think they were definitely trying to reach out to someone in my opinion. It also begs the question, why would Cox's girlfriend not tell police everything she new. She has no fear of reprisal by Cox, he's in prison for the rest of this life most likely. But the other one is not, and his ex could be rightfully scared of either revenge by the ex, or scared because of possible involvement and is scared she'll get charged as well. Of course Cox's girlfriend may fit this profile as well. I just have never seen Cox as having anything to do with this crime. I think he was BSing police when they interviewed him. JMO

 

[chestnut&bypass]

I agree with you. Also, someone else that we've all been talking about does too. If you catch what I'm saying. And that someone, has an ex-husband and boyfriend (Same Person) who's whereabouts and timeline weren't able to be corroborated by police. That could be another possibility.

Yup, reading you loud and clear lol!

 

[chestnut&bypass]

I am still firmly of the opinion, if he had anything to do with this, that $900 wouldn't have been left behind.

They had free reign of that house until, what, well after noon or so?

If they could make three people vanish, surely a small envelope of cash could be hidden away, right?

 

[Ibiz]

What do you think is suspicious. I would love to hear what you think.

Suzie's ex boyfriend shows up for a victim's support meeting. He seems very disconnected. Then after passing the lie detector test he disappears into the sunset. That seemed a bit suspicious to me.

 

[Talullah]

Someone would’ve left the money if they thought they’d have to explain where it came from.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Suzie's ex boyfriend shows up for a victim's support meeting. He seems very disconnected. Then after passing the lie detector test he disappears into the sunset. That seemed a bit suspicious to me.

Great observation! The first time I saw that video, I thought, what is up with this guy. They ask him how he feels, and he replies, "Angry", "Angry that people think I did this", he has his head lowered and says this, and then quickly looks up with his eyes with out moving his head from the lowered position its in. It seemed to me that he was gauging the reaction of the group. I have never liked the way he reacted to that question, nor how his first response to the question of, "How do you feel" is "Angry", but not angry because Susie is missing, angry because he's a suspect. He thinks of himself and how this whole thing makes him look, as opposed to being sad and worried about what may have happened to Susie. This doesn't seem like the first thing someone who cared about his ex-girlfriend would say right out of the gate when asked how he feels. It has always seemed off to me. This is one of the reasons that I can't get the Grave Robbing individuals off my plate. Also DR & MC and Brian Joy have mutual friends on Facebook. Not that they had anything to do with the crime, but it is interesting. JMO

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Someone would’ve left the money if they thought they’d have to explain where it came from.

Great Point!

 

[k-mac]

In my opinion he has posted on this forum.

BBM...I am in total agreement with you. I, too have read his posts.

IMO, he used to be a frequent poster here. I further believe he is very well versed on police procedure.

well who is scooby referring to??well from the posts above a pretty legitimate question to yourself mm.
that's just the last few pages of accusations coming from your way.

The only person I have suspected was Cox.

Who are you referring to?

so if cox has always been in jail....
what your saying doesn't make sense.

you accuse someone of murder you have to back it up.
really this needs looking at from a moderator.

hiding behind nameless accusations is still wrong.

jmo

 

[Missouri Mule]

Suzie's ex boyfriend shows up for a victim's support meeting. He seems very disconnected. Then after passing the lie detector test he disappears into the sunset. That seemed a bit suspicious to me.

I had several conversations with Clay requesting that Recla post his thoughts. He has wanted to stay out of the discussion. Second hand information, however, regarding Suzie was always positive.

There is no motive for the vandals to take the women.

There are three realistic possibilities that I can see.

A). A sophisticated ploy to remove an informant or informants who would reveal illegal activities. I reject this because of the need to maintain silence over some 26 years. One caveat is that the prime mover must systematically eliminate his co-conspirators. In fact three people have told me that lives are still at stake and have clammed up and to keep any of their thoughts off this board.

(B). A police officer who had some kind of relationship with one of the women. That may have been a motive to want to keep Suzie or Sherrill quiet. A very long analysis by a military intelligence professional of many years reached me some years back explaining the whys, wherefors, and the actual officer in question. It seemed plausible. I reject that today.

(C). A single lone male predator who was preying on vulnerable women. On that night he picked his target and lured her out of the house having built up her confidence during the night’s festivities. To my mind, this is the one theory that seems to factor in all variables.