Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[Missouri Mule]

I have argued that the crime scene was staged.

Det. Asher seems to say much the same thing when he said in one of the videos that the crime scene did not appear to “be right” (or words to that effect.

Thoughts?

 

[Tuffgong]

Never understood why people assume Sherrill was not the target just because of the time the attack was rumored to have occurred. Nobody knows what motivated the incident or when the decision was made. It could have been made a week, day, hour, or minutes before it happened. If the attack was meant to be a surprise, early morning made more sense. Just think this assumption that Sherrill was not the target is a jump.

 

[asyousay]

I have argued that the crime scene was staged.

Det. Asher seems to say much the same thing when he said in one of the videos that the crime scene did not appear to “be right” (or words to that effect.

Thoughts?

With such a small window unless it was Janelle and Mike as I have suggested who else would of staged that home?

 

[chestnut&bypass]

I have argued that the crime scene was staged.

Det. Asher seems to say much the same thing when he said in one of the videos that the crime scene did not appear to “be right” (or words to that effect.

Thoughts?

The cash in the purse alone would suggest someone wanted to throw investigators for a loop....

 

[chestnut&bypass]

With such a small window unless it was Janelle and Mike as I have suggested who else would of staged that home?

I would think if it were MH and JK, surely they would have taken the cash....what do you guys think?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Never understood why people assume Sherrill was not the target just because of the time the attack was rumored to have occurred. Nobody knows what motivated the incident or when the decision was made. It could have been made a week, day, hour, or minutes before it happened. If the attack was meant to be a surprise, early morning made more sense. Just think this assumption that Sherrill was not the target is a jump.

I couldn't agree with you more!

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I would think if it were MH and JK, surely they would have taken the cash....what do you guys think?

Possibly, but what if they were scared of being caught with evidence on them. Like money that had Sherrill's fingerprints, or DNA on it. Or, they were rushing, and money wasn't what they were looking for in the purses. It could also be the case that, the purses were just dropped there, and that that's why the adults stated that it looked like things were flowing out of them. That could have just been the product of them haphazardly dropping the purses there. I believe the purses were placed in Susie's room by someone other than one of the women.

 

[Missouri Mule]

The cash in the purse alone would suggest someone wanted to throw investigators for a loop....

Is it possible that the perp never went into the house with the possible exception of getting Stacy who could have gone out the back sliding glass door? She could have been caught as she was hemmed in by the back fence.

If the perp went into the house at all it most likely the front room. He probably wanted to leave quickly and had he rummaged around in the purses he could have left DNA.

This further leads me to believe this was not a planned event.

I could be entirely wrong. Some, who I greatly respect have claimed to have almost certain knowledge that it was planned with multiple perps.

I have no dog in the hunt. Whatever solves the crime works for me.

The one thing we do know is that no one has rolled. A single perp would only need to keep quiet.

 

[Ozoner]

Another question I have is this



If you are prepared to Rape or Murder then why would you leave the money behind?

Did the perp get spooked or was it a deliberate ploy to switch the focus away from the true intent of the crime?

The question you pose really isn't logical. If he was there to rape, why would he have bothered to take any money? In that scenario, the culprit would have cared about sexual gratification, not financial gain.

It was in Sherill's purse and by the sounds of it from Janis the perp went though the purses as she said the stuff was rolling out the top of it.

Plus with photos missing from photo frames it doesn’t exactly sound like this person was rushing imo

If this was a sex crime, and if the culprit went through the purses, he was probably looking for trophies or for something that would arouse him sexually (like a diaphragm).

I have argued that the crime scene was staged.

Det. Asher seems to say much the same thing when he said in one of the videos that the crime scene did not appear to “be right” (or words to that effect.

Thoughts?

Many people traipsed through the house. The crime scene was compromised, so it's impossible to know whether there was deliberate staging.

Never understood why people assume Sherrill was not the target just because of the time the attack was rumored to have occurred. Nobody knows what motivated the incident or when the decision was made. It could have been made a week, day, hour, or minutes before it happened. If the attack was meant to be a surprise, early morning made more sense. Just think this assumption that Sherrill was not the target is a jump.

Most people assume that the crime was either connected to the grave-robbing trial or sexually motivated. In the first case, Suzie would have the target. In the second case, Suzie would have been the most likely target (because she lived there), but Stacy can't be ruled out. Sherrill would have made a very unlikely target of a planned sex crime. She could have been targeted for a different reason, but people are playing the percentages in saying that she probably wasn't the target.

 

[asyousay]

Is it possible that the perp never went into the house with the possible exception of getting Stacy who could have gone out the back sliding glass door? She could have been caught as she was hemmed in by the back fence.

If the perp went into the house at all it most likely the front room. He probably wanted to leave quickly and had he rummaged around in the purses he could have left DNA.

This further leads me to believe this was not a planned event.

I could be entirely wrong. Some, who I greatly respect have claimed to have almost certain knowledge that it was planned with multiple perps.

I have no dog in the hunt. Whatever solves the crime works for me.

The one thing we do know is that no one has rolled. A single perp would only need to keep quiet.

How do you explain the purses, empty picture frames and the cigarettes if no perp/perps went into that house.

I think it’s ridiculous to suggest the perp/perps were not in that house for a period of time. The little clues we do have suggest they was in the house imo

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

The only person I have suspected was Cox.

Who are you referring to?

You said the person has posted on here before. Cox has been in prison and has no internet access. Who are you referring to then? Please elaborate.

 

[chestnut&bypass]

Ozoner, I hadn't considered a trophy hunt as a reason to rummage through the purses....interesting perspective.

Assuming this possibility, when LE is processing a crime scene, do they at least make a note of the laundry room, clothes hampers, underwear drawer, etc?

If friends or family could say with certainty whether or not undies should be neatly folded, or whether or not undies would exsist outside the clothes hamper, and a contradictory condition is found in the house....

All I'm saying is panties strewn about a dresser drawer when they should be neatly folded could lead us in the direction of sexual motivation.

Sorry to be slightly graphic....but Ozoner got my wheels turning.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Ozoner, I hadn't considered a trophy hunt as a reason to rummage through the purses....interesting perspective.

Assuming this possibility, when LE is processing a crime scene, do they at least make a note of the laundry room, clothes hampers, underwear drawer, etc?

If friends or family could say with certainty whether or not undies should be neatly folded, or whether or not undies would exsist outside the clothes hamper, and a contradictory condition is found in the house....

All I'm saying is panties strewn about a dresser drawer when they should be neatly folded could lead us in the direction of sexual motivation.

Sorry to be slightly graphic....but Ozoner got my wheels turning.

I have considered the lone perp theory as well. It would be a good explanation for why no one has talked so far. And, if it wasn't for the peculiar and suspicious behavior and stories that JK and MH told, as well as the couple other suspects and angles with this case, I would agree. But the other people that raised suspicion with their stories and behavior, as well as the other suspects that were close to one or more of the women leading up to the crime, are problematic. There just seems to be too much suspicion raised by some of these people to overlook them right out of the gate. MOO

 

[Missouri Mule]

With such a small window unless it was Janelle and Mike as I have suggested who else would of staged that home?

I’m going on what Asher said. He said the crime scene didn’t look right. I believe he was a veteran police officer who would recognize a crime scene. What he saw evidently struck him as not in keeping with what a police officer encounters.

You might consider contacting the police department to get clarification. He used the word “rapture” to describe the missing women. The Assistant Police Chief, Ron Worsham, said it was as though space aliens had taken them. He probably said that mostly in jest but it essentially tells us that the crime scene did not appear to bear the marks of a triple abduction.

During the time we lived in or near Springfield we had two homes burgled. I can state emphatically there is no question what a crime scene looks like.

We can speculate as some do that this was a multi perp operation. Since no one has rolled on anyone else I began to move to the single perp theory as Michael Clay suggested.

One person can keep a secret. Two or more usually will turn on the others as they look out for number one. Additionally we have unidentified DNA. That leads me to believe the perp has none on file. It would also mean he has not committed other crimes.

I have friends who emphatically disagree with me.

Where we part ways is that there is no discernible motive.

 

[cherrymeg]

I’m going on what Asher said. He said the crime scene didn’t look right. I believe he was a veteran police officer who would recognize a crime scene. What he saw evidently struck him as not in keeping with what a police officer encounters.

You might consider contacting the police department to get clarification. He used the word “rapture” to describe the missing women. The Assistant Police Chief, Ron Worsham, said it was as though space aliens had taken them. He probably said that mostly in jest but it essentially tells us that the crime scene did not appear to bear the marks of a triple abduction.

During the time we lived in or near Springfield we had two homes burgled. I can state emphatically there is no question what a crime scene looks like.

We can speculate as some do that this was a multi perp operation. Since no one has rolled on anyone else I began to move to the single perp theory as Michael Clay suggested.

One person can keep a secret. Two or more usually will turn on the others as they look out for number one. Additionally we have unidentified DNA. That leads me to believe the perp has none on file. It would also mean he has not committed other crimes.

I have friends who emphatically disagree with me.

Where we part ways is that there is no discernible motive.

Finding out what happened that night at the different parties might lead to a motive. I think they need to reinterview classmates and friends.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I’m going on what Asher said. He said the crime scene didn’t look right. I believe he was a veteran police officer who would recognize a crime scene. What he saw evidently struck him as not in keeping with what a police officer encounters.

You might consider contacting the police department to get clarification. He used the word “rapture” to describe the missing women. The Assistant Police Chief, Ron Worsham, said it was as though space aliens had taken them. He probably said that mostly in jest but it essentially tells us that the crime scene did not appear to bear the marks of a triple abduction.

During the time we lived in or near Springfield we had two homes burgled. I can state emphatically there is no question what a crime scene looks like.

We can speculate as some do that this was a multi perp operation. Since no one has rolled on anyone else I began to move to the single perp theory as Michael Clay suggested.

One person can keep a secret. Two or more usually will turn on the others as they look out for number one. Additionally we have unidentified DNA. That leads me to believe the perp has none on file. It would also mean he has not committed other crimes.

I have friends who emphatically disagree with me.

Where we part ways is that there is no discernible motive.

You said the person has posted on here before. Cox has been in prison and has no internet access. Who are you referring to then? Please elaborate.

 

[cherrymeg]

You said the person has posted on here before. Cox has been in prison and has no internet access. Who are you referring to then? Please elaborate.

Is it monkeyman (not sure if that is the right name)?

 

[Missouri Mule]

How do you explain the purses, empty picture frames and the cigarettes if no perp/perps went into that house.

I think it’s ridiculous to suggest the perp/perps were not in that house for a period of time. The little clues we do have suggest they was in the house imo

The crime scene was changed as the various visitors came and went from the house. I think it is entirely logical to consider that a visitor(s) was looking through the purse for clues or phone numbers to call.

We don’t know if a photograph was in the photo frame or the frame was just laying there to place a new photograph, possibly taken just that night. Certainly if there was a photograph was in there it would have been somewhat to remove without leaving some DNA behind.

I use the time honored rule that we don’t know what we don’t know. As has been said, there are known knowns, unknown knowns and then unknown unknowns.

The missing photo would fall into the category of unknown knowns. All we know as laymen is that it was an empty photo frame. We don’t know if it ever had a photo.

 

[cherrymeg]

The crime scene was changed as the various visitors came and went from the house. I think it is entirely logical to consider that a visitor(s) was looking through the purse for clues or phone numbers to call.

We don’t know if a photograph was in the photo frame or the frame was just laying there to place a new photograph, possibly taken just that night. Certainly if there was a photograph was in there it would have been somewhat to remove without leaving some DNA behind.

I use the time honored rule that we don’t know what we don’t know. As has been said, there are known knowns, unknown knowns and then unknown unknowns.

The missing photo would fall into the category of unknown knowns. All we know as laymen is that it was an empty photo frame. We don’t know if it ever had a photo.

Sherrill could have had a frame ready for a graduation photo. It's possible someone removed it because they were in it and didn't want to be linked to the missing women. Someone could have taken it to show people in hopes that someone would recognize them.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Sherrill could have had a frame ready for a graduation photo. It's possible someone removed it because they were in it and didn't want to be linked to the missing women. Someone could have taken it to show people in hopes that someone would recognize them.

I agree. Someone could have removed the picture because they were in it. Where did you see it said that there was a photograph missing from a picture frame? I recall this being said on some forums, but have never read it in any news reports. Det. Asher said that there were some photos missing from the graduation pictures Susie had taken. He makes this statement in the video where he's in the office of the photographer. The one where he also states that some of the pictures were kind of racy, and that he'd like to talk to the person who has the other pictures. Something like that.