Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[Betty P]

For those who think Janelle or Mike had a hand in this crime, I have to ask, what plausible scenario is there? They had eyes on them from many parties. One of the dozens and dozens of people that would have known about this would have flipped by now, yes?

Where are 18 year old kids hiding bodies? Where is the murder weapon? This whole theory falls apart quickly once logic is applied.

Their behavior was weird but I doubt they had a direct hand in kidnapping. What's the motive? Jealousy over Suzie and Stacy hanging out? I don't think she did it. I followed her and her ex husband Mike (the one who helped her clean up) on FB for awhile now and I see nothing that tells me she's involved.

Better yet, Detective Asher himself comments on many of her public Facebook photos. What would you have to say about that? You can go see for yourself.

I can't speak for others, but I don't think anyone is assuming they kidnapped and killed the women. It's possible, though, that they saw someone doing or saying something suspicious at one of the parties that night and were reluctant to say anything for fear of retribution. Maybe there was an attempted rape or fight or someone stalking a victim. Maybe they knew a party guest was paying an unhealthy amount of attention to one of the girls, was angry, made a threat. Maybe one of the girls became upset and threatened to go to police about something that happened - rape, drugs, etc.

 

[SweetMeat]

Not discounting what you’ve said, objectivity is how this will get solved.

For those who think Janelle or Mike had a hand in this crime, I have to ask, what plausible scenario is there? They had eyes on them from many parties. One of the dozens and dozens of people that would have known about this would have flipped by now, yes?

Where are 18 year old kids hiding bodies? Where is the murder weapon? This whole theory falls apart quickly once logic is applied.

Their behavior was weird but I doubt they had a direct hand in kidnapping. What's the motive? Jealousy over Suzie and Stacy hanging out? I don't think she did it. I followed her and her ex husband Mike (the one who helped her clean up) on FB for awhile now and I see nothing that tells me she's involved.

Better yet, Detective Asher himself comments on many of her public Facebook photos. What would you have to say about that? You can go see for yourself.

I’m not making a direct accusation of Mike and Janelle in having direct involvement in what happened. On the other hand one or both of them know more than what has been said along with everyone that had any contact with Stacy and Suzie that night.

 

[Betty P]

Yeah but who is going to report that behavior? Grave Robbers, Mike/Janelle, Cox, etc. are all suspects why? Because of SPD/Media. Odds alone are in the favor of a "not talked about name." There is a lot of information not released to the media. There are a lot of people that visited that Delmar house no one even mentions.

I believe SPD's inconsistencies and investigation tactics and red herrings are cause for concern.

After Golden State Killer, why not? It's been 26 years. Some small group did this and got away with it. I often wonder if any suspects happen to be dead at this point to keep it so quiet.

Springfield is a town known to generate rumors about people. Are there any rumors out there about bad cops on the force? Were there a lot of unsolved rapes, murders, peeping toms by a very experienced perp leading up to the 3MW disappearance?

LE seemed to do a pretty thorough job, even though they bungled some things. They seemed pretty open with the public about many of the details of the crime and events leading up to it. They put out photos of the crime scene, let the news media film video. They discussed the timeline clearly, they didn't try to stop witnesses from talking to the news media.

If you want to see a case where LE absolutely locked down every single detail of a major crime, kept the media and public from even viewing ambulances removing bodies from the scene, refused to release much of anything about the causes of death of victims and hauled away the crime scenes, locking them in a warehouse, check out the massacre of 8 members of the Rhoden family in Pike County, OH. LE even went to the trouble of taking a legal case to the Ohio Supreme Court to prevent releasing information from the autopsies to the news media.

Pike County, Ohio, shootings - Wikipedia

UNSOLVED - Oh - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #33

Oh yeah, and they also discouraged anyone from contributing to a reward fund and allowed their "persons of interest - or "laser focus" to pack up and move to Alaska a year later before they named them publicly and searched their property.

 

[k-mac]

For those who think Janelle or Mike had a hand in this crime, I have to ask, what plausible scenario is there? They had eyes on them from many parties. One of the dozens and dozens of people that would have known about this would have flipped by now, yes?

Where are 18 year old kids hiding bodies? Where is the murder weapon? This whole theory falls apart quickly once logic is applied.

Their behavior was weird but I doubt they had a direct hand in kidnapping. What's the motive? Jealousy over Suzie and Stacy hanging out? I don't think she did it. I followed her and her ex husband Mike (the one who helped her clean up) on FB for awhile now and I see nothing that tells me she's involved.

Better yet, Detective Asher himself comments on many of her public Facebook photos. What would you have to say about that? You can go see for yourself.

bbm
wow that's arrogant.

you admit yourself Janelle and mikes actions are suspicious but dismiss everyone for suggesting so.....only you can on your own terms.

they sabotaged the crimescene , were the last known peps to see two of three women and can not be dismissed because a few amaetuer armchair sleuths say so.

much more compelling the people trying to eliminate themselves from a narrative than random boogie men who are trying to inject themselves into the narrative.

jmo

 

[SweetMeat]

This will never be solved unless enough pressure is put on the people that were with the girls that night. Even then, there is enough time passed for anyone to remain silent. It’ll take a confession of unheard, provable evidence to get closer to the truth. I hope we can find it.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

This was likely PLANNED. The perps knew what they were doing and got the girls out of there ASAP to a secure location. I think too much emphasis is put on Janelle and Mike.

Detective Asher is saying niceties all over their facebooks. Is he playing some game with her deep into his retirement? I doubt it.

Again, the behavior of Janelle is odd, just like the grave robber behavior is odd. None of them exhibit the capacity to pull off this crime. Not of this magnitude.

 

[k-mac]

Much ado about who the girls were last with...

This was likely PLANNED. The perps knew what they were doing and got the girls out of there ASAP to a secure location. I think too much emphasis is put on Janelle and Mike.

Detective Asher is saying niceties all over their facebooks. Is he playing some game with her deep into his retirement? I doubt it.

well good ol detective asher didn't solve it now ......did he?????????

 

[Betty P]

This was likely PLANNED. The perps knew what they were doing and got the girls out of there ASAP to a secure location. I think too much emphasis is put on Janelle and Mike.

Detective Asher is saying niceties all over their facebooks. Is he playing some game with her deep into his retirement? I doubt it.

Again, the behavior of Janelle is odd, just like the grave robber behavior is odd. None of them exhibit the capacity to pull off this crime. Not of this magnitude.

While they may not be capable of committing this crime, its possible they know more than they're saying.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Springfield is a town known to generate rumors about people. Are there any rumors out there about bad cops on the force? Were there a lot of unsolved rapes, murders, peeping toms by a very experienced perp leading up to the 3MW disappearance?

LE seemed to do a pretty thorough job, even though they bungled some things. They seemed pretty open with the public about many of the details of the crime and events leading up to it. They put out photos of the crime scene, let the news media film video. They discussed the timeline clearly, they didn't try to stop witnesses from talking to the news media.

If you want to see a case where LE absolutely locked down every single detail of a major crime, kept the media and public from even viewing ambulances removing bodies from the scene, refused to release much of anything about the causes of death of victims and hauled away the crime scenes, locking them in a warehouse, check out the massacre of 8 members of the Rhoden family in Pike County, OH. LE even went to the trouble of taking a legal case to the Ohio Supreme Court to prevent releasing information from the autopsies to the news media.

Pike County, Ohio, shootings - Wikipedia

UNSOLVED - Oh - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #33

Oh yeah, and they also discouraged anyone from contributing to a reward fund and allowed their "persons of interest - or "laser focus" to pack up and move to Alaska a year later before they named them publicly and searched their property.

Yes. That was diligence applied to the investigation and the proper action.

Not spray painted vans and psychic tips and buzzards. I have talked to a few psychologists about this case. As well as former and current cops. They thought this case was ran extremely suspicously, FWIW.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

While they may not be capable of committing this crime, its possible they know more than they're saying.

100% in agreement with this.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

well good ol detective asher didn't solve it now ......did he?????????

So you can't have it both ways. Asher did a good job or he didn't do a good job. Which is it?

Because if Asher didn't do a good job, then the red herrings, bad police investigative work, etc. that I brought up make sense to explore.

If Asher and SPD did their job correctly, then WHY is he saying congratulations to Janelle on achievements her and Mike's children have done on their Facebook page?

 

[Betty P]

Yes. That was diligence applied to the investigation and the proper action.

Not spray painted vans and psychic tips and buzzards. I have talked to a few psychologists about this case. As well as former and current cops. They thought this case was ran extremely suspicously, FWIW.

I'm just basing my opinion of following the Rhoden Family Massacre for 2 yrs, a case that's been handled far more suspiciously in an area where police solve very few murders and have a massive problem with major drug trafficking. Makes Springfield look quaint. Seriously.

Police handling of the 3MW case seems wide open in comparison. JMO.

 

[k-mac]

So you can't have it both ways. Asher did a good job or he didn't do a good job. Which is it?

Because if Asher didn't do a good job, then the red herrings, bad police investigative work, etc. that I brought up make sense to explore.

If Asher and SPD did their job correctly, then WHY is he saying congratulations to Janelle on achievements her and Mike's children have done on their Facebook page?

I never said asher did a good job.
think you have your posters confused.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

I never said asher did a good job.
think you have your posters confused.

My apologies. :-(

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

I mostly wanted to present a new angle. I've seen the same rehash for years. I've seen Janis McCall make amends with Mike Clay and Dusty Recla on public forums. I've seen Asher and other SPD comment on Janelle's pictures as if they're long time friends.

I just don't see all those things happening if these were serious suspects. Janis wouldn't give those guys the time of day if she suspected them of murdering her own daughter. Especially with the police in her ear as most assume.

 

[k-mac]

I mostly wanted to present a new angle. I've seen the same rehash for years. I've seen Janis McCall make amends with Mike Clay and Dusty Recla on public forums. I've seen Asher and other SPD comment on Janelle's pictures as if they're long time friends.

I just don't see all those things happening if these were serious suspects. Janis wouldn't give those guys the time of day if she suspected them of murdering her own daughter. Especially with the police in her ear as most assume.

I welcome and enjoy your contributions just think it unreasonable to judge and dismiss the importance of why others keep Janelle mike grave robbers etc in the picture.
you don't have to agree but the relevance is there...absolutely.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

I welcome and enjoy your contributions just think it unreasonable to judge and dismiss the importance of why others keep Janelle mike grave robbers etc in the picture.
you don't have to agree but the relevance is there...absolutely.

Fair enough!

 

[Talullah]

I’d be suspicious of the grave robbers if Suzie’s ex boyfriend did what Mike and Janelle did but I think they were in enough trouble and were more worried about themselves than abducting and murdering 3 women.
I don’t think Janelle and Mike did this by themselves. I believe they know what happened and were possibly part of whatever it was that set this in motion. I’ve entertained the idea that police told Mike and Janelle not to talk or what to say but that doesn’t change botching the crime scene and acting weird before an actual investigation began.
There’s a lot we can’t know since we’re not privy to the thousands of pages in the case file, so we discuss possibilities.

 

[asyousay]

This was likely PLANNED. The perps knew what they were doing and got the girls out of there ASAP to a secure location. I think too much emphasis is put on Janelle and Mike.

Detective Asher is saying niceties all over their facebooks. Is he playing some game with her deep into his retirement? I doubt it.

Again, the behavior of Janelle is odd, just like the grave robber behavior is odd. None of them exhibit the capacity to pull off this crime. Not of this magnitude.

I find it incredibly weird that a cop once involved in this case is friends with some of the people involved in the crime.

Also we don’t know enough about any of the players to say that nobody could pull this off. Let’s not forget that the crime scene was destroyed that morning.

 

[Ozoner]

+1.

One reason I hinge on Wright's assessment so much, is because I've read about the cases he's worked. He's very very thorough and diligent. He had access to all the case files leading up to his profile.

It's interesting people don't hold it in high regard but stick by tips like the porch lady and paperboy ones.

Nothing is more important to a profiler than crime scene photos, and Wright didn't have those to work with because the crime scene was disturbed by numerous people. Therefore his profile, while competent considering what he had to work with, can't be treated as the be-all, end-all of the case. It has limited value due to the lack of meaningful crime-scene photos.

It's interesting that you would attempt to discredit the porch lady's very solid eyewitness account even though her account does not conflict with Wright's profile.