Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[MooseMeMuch]

Is it that solid? Have you stood on that porch at 4:30am using a similar van with actors to see if a positive ID of a woman could be made let alone one you’d have to remember about a week later?

I hope LE is reading THIS post....I've never seen any mention of any 'testing' or re-enacting of anything. Why couldn't LE report on something like that? Vs. playing close to the vest on everything. I can't see something like that interfering with prosecution. I hope they re-enacted EVERY sighting, such as that lady (IMO scoffing) who said the APCO cashier got it wrong.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Asher drove a wedge b/t McCalls and Streeters? Personally, I could very much seeing the Kirby's helping out with slamming the Streeters. Wouldn't take a whole lot.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Maybe you would if you found out your mother was concerned and driving around town looking for you.
There's a reason the police don't report who called at 11:15pm. JBO called at 9pm. There's no mention of who made the 11:15 call. The 11:15pm call is mentioned on the SPD website's official case description.
There's a reason in the "Vanished" video that Ms. McCall says "Suzie needed a friend." She's telegraphing inside knowledge with this statement, IMO.

So I DID read about another call. phew! I need to copy SPD's report....
With Janis's statement...I took that as "Suzie needed a friend." so she suckered my sweet daughter into going home with her...
I accept your view could very well be the correct one.

 

[asyousay]

Asher drove a wedge b/t McCalls and Streeters? Personally, I could very much seeing the Kirby's helping out with slamming the Streeters. Wouldn't take a whole lot.

In anger and grief I could see why the McCalls would be bitter over the Streeters a few months down the line BUT it seems like from the get go Stacey’s mum had issues with Stacey being with Suzie that night which is what I don’t like.

At the end of the day Stacey was a adult and she made a decision and Suzie didn’t hold a gun to her head that night. Whatever happened was horrific and it was just unfortunate that Stacey was in the wrong place at the wrong time. But that isn’t Suzie or Sherrills fault.

IMO

 

[Ibiz]

Nothing is more important to a profiler than crime scene photos, and Wright didn't have those to work with because the crime scene was disturbed by numerous people. Therefore his profile, while competent considering what he had to work with, can't be treated as the be-all, end-all of the case. It has limited value due to the lack of meaningful crime-scene photos.

It's interesting that you would attempt to discredit the porch lady's very solid eyewitness account even though her account does not conflict with Wright's profile.

I find it hard to believe that someone would try to discredit key pieces of evidence in a case like this. Both the paperboy and the FPL saw a van..

The street the FPL lived on was about a mile away from the Delmar home. Because the street appeared to lead to the interstate, it was also common to see vehicles turning around on this road, but to see a young girl that looked like Suzie crying/upset, and to hear a man yelling at her from the back of the van, if we consider the time frame, and the paperboy, then we know the FPL saw something.

Lets not make wild speculation without any sort of evidence to back up the claims while ignoring key evidence which makes it impossible.

If you look at photos of the Delmar house, you will see an alleyway to the right that runs behind a strip mall. It appears to me that the perps could have been parked in this alleyway while watching the Delmar house.

 

[flute4peace]

Shane Appleby is quoted as saying Suzie just wanted to go home. She had a stomach ache. So yep, 2 different reasons to consider. Suzie sounds more like me esp. if I'm feeling puny. However, I wouldn't invite a friend to stay with me.

This is partly why I think Suzie may have been pg. It just makes a lot of sense. Pg girls are at high risk of dv/homicide from the father. She could have been afraid of the father or nervous about telling Sherrill & wanted someone with her. Maybe she had told the father that night & it didn’t go well. It just seems like a very plausible motive.

Do we know if she was drinking that night?

 

[flute4peace]

That's what the police liked so much.

But Garrison never had time to develop an interest in the women. He was out 3 weeks and Suzie and Sherrill never came up on his radar. Garrison hung out at a bar on the north side and mostly with friends around the Hillcrest apartments. Dusty and Mike bought weed off him once because Dusty was dating JW while Garrison dated JR.

It's not clear if Dusty even met Garrison before the disappearance. I believe he bought weed from him well after June 7th 1992.

This has been talked about ad-nauseum on Topix and other forums, and I put very little in the connection there. The grand jury called all of them for questioning and it produced nothing.

Maybe you would if you found out your mother was concerned and driving around town looking for you.

There's a reason the police don't report who called at 11:15pm. JBO called at 9pm. There's no mention of who made the 11:15 call. The 11:15pm call is mentioned on the SPD website's official case description.

There's a reason in the "Vanished" video that Ms. McCall says "Suzie needed a friend." She's telegraphing inside knowledge with this statement, IMO.

Ok now I think the pg theory is even more plausible. Suzie “needed a friend”. Why would she need a friend? What if she had just found out she was pg by guy she was testifying against. He’s already mad about the court case then she tells him she’s pg. he tells buddies, Recla says “hey I know a guy” and boom = motive, opportunity & criminal knowledge/background . It seems more plausible than any other theory I’ve come across.

 

[asyousay]

Ok now I think the pg theory is even more plausible ible. Suzie “needed a friend”. Why would she need a friend? What if she had just found out she was pg by guy she was testifying against. He’s already mad about the court case then she tells him she’s pg. he tells buddies, Recla says “hey I know a guy” and boom = motive, opportunity & criminal knowledge/background . It seems more plausible than any other theory I’ve come across.

Why wouldn’t she just have a abotion if the father wasn’t happy?

Unless it was a married man I don’t see why you would murder 3 women over being pregnant.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Ok now I think the pg theory is even more plausible ible. Suzie “needed a friend”. Why would she need a friend? What if she had just found out she was pg by guy she was testifying against. He’s already mad about the court case then she tells him she’s pg. he tells buddies, Recla says “hey I know a guy” and boom = motive, opportunity & criminal knowledge/background . It seems more plausible than any other theory I’ve come across.

Have to prove it.

And it doesn't hold up once you read where Recla was. He has three people besides Clay's sister vouch for him. I've spoken to personally two of the people at that Cyanide Rainbow show. One is seen briefly on 48 Hours being taken in for a lie detector test.

Grave robbers passed their lie detector tests. Two former FBI agents cleared them. A former chief of police cleared them. A jury also cleared them. Not sure what else you need on this angle? I'm sure it's possible that one or both of Recla and Clay know something they aren't sharing, but I do not believe for a second any of them had a hand in kidnapping or murdering. It's easy to let our imaginations run wild because the media loves that "Satanic Panic" angle so much for ratings.

 

[flute4peace]

Why wouldn’t she just have a abotion if the father wasn’t happy?

Unless it was a married man I don’t see why you would murder 3 women over being pregnant.

With respect, not everyone sees that as a viable option. And statistics show that women are killed over pregnancies. If Sherrill knew about it she would have to go, too. Stacy was collateral damage (especially if she also knew).

 

[asyousay]

With respect, not everyone sees that as a viable option. And statistics show that women are killed over pregnancies. If Sherrill knew about it she would have to go, too. Stacy was collateral damage (especially if she also knew).

Yes but you would have to prove she didn’t see it as a viable option if she was indeed pregnant. It’s a huge jump IMO

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

I find it easier to believe that the van theory is a convenient red herring since many, many, MANY vans were pulled over that summer and investigated all over town and none of them amounted to jack. Nerver mind that the town of 120k people were calling 911 over any van they saw.

I think because it's been 26 years, it could almost be safe to say a van, or at least a panel van, may have not been used.

It's possible they were taken in multiple cars.

 

[flute4peace]

Have to prove it.

And it doesn't hold up once you read where Recla was. He has three people besides Clay's sister vouch for him. I've spoken to personally two of the people at that Cyanide Rainbow show. One is seen briefly on 48 Hours being taken in for a lie detector test.

Grave robbers passed their lie detector tests. Two former FBI agents cleared them. A former chief of police cleared them. A jury also cleared them. Not sure what else you need on this angle? I'm sure it's possible that one or both of Recla and Clay know something they aren't sharing, but I do not believe for a second any of them had a hand in kidnapping or murdering. It's easy to let our imaginations run wild because the media loves that "Satanic Panic" angle so much for ratings.

Sorry to have offended your expertise. I clearly don’t know all of the facts in this case and was just tossing out something that had clicked for me and made sense. People beat polygraphs and GJs all the time, and you yourself have said multiple times that you felt LE was ineffective in investigating this case. I apologize for my ignorance.

(I don’t believe I mentioned anything about a satanic angle)

 

[scadagirl28]

I wish we knew 100 percent what was the entry point . It does look like they were looking for something if Sherrill's clothes and shoes were on the floor . Also Susie's stuffed animals keeps getting mentioned as being all over the bedroom. It wouldn't surprise me if a couple of dumb bubbas heard the same rumors we have .

 

[asyousay]

I find it easier to believe that the van theory is a convenient red herring since many, many, MANY vans were pulled over that summer and investigated all over town and none of them amounted to jack. Nerver mind that the town of 120k people were calling 911 over any van they saw.

I think because it's been 26 years, it could almost be safe to say a van, or at least a panel van, may have not been used.

It's possible they were taken in multiple cars.

The problem is why would different people all say they saw a van?

The van colour may vary but I don’t see why different witnesses would all say the same thing.

I believe the paper boy/girl and it definitely fits into the time line and it makes sense to me it would of parked up a street over so as not to alarm the house IMO

 

[scadagirl28]

I find it easier to believe that the van theory is a convenient red herring since many, many, MANY vans were pulled over that summer and investigated all over town and none of them amounted to jack. Nerver mind that the town of 120k people were calling 911 over any van they saw.

I think because it's been 26 years, it could almost be safe to say a van, or at least a panel van, may have not been used.

It's possible they were taken in multiple cars.

If it was planned , why take multiple cars ? Seems even more risky .

 

[flute4peace]

Yes but you would have to prove she didn’t see it as a viable option if she was indeed pregnant. It’s a huge jump IMO

As you would have to prove that she did. That subject matter is off- limits here and irrelevant at this point in the conversation, IMO.

How many threads do we see here that involve a pg woman missing or killed? It happens. A lot. In fact, a lot more than many of the other theories being floated around.

 

[asyousay]

As you would have to prove that she did. That subject matter is off- limits here and irrelevant at this point in the conversation, IMO.

How many threads do we see here that involve a pg woman missing or killed? It happens. A lot. In fact, a lot more than many of the other theories being floated around.

Can you point me to cases where 3 women have been killed because a teenager is pregnant as I have only only ever followed about 5 cases on this forum. I have never come across another such case and it seems extreme so it would be interesting to gage how common such a crime is.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

If it was planned , why take multiple cars ? Seems even more risky .

I am not sure--but certainly plausible. Just saying, it could have been a big Suburban. A Chevy Blazer. Two sedans. Anything. Vans always look suspicious to people because PSAs on TV always talk about a stranger giving you candy from them. They look "scary" to the collective consciousness. Paperboys aren't going to notice a guy sitting in a car as much as he notices the moving van guys in jump suits. Just saying, these tips are very, very weak. And the cause for wild speculation.

I think FBI agent Wright is correct in his assumption that the perps knew the comings and goings. And that a witness the police seek may have been part of an unplanned abduction.

I think the goal wasn't to murder at first--just my opinion. I think Stacy being a surprise led the perps to expedite whatever sick plan they had with the women.

 

[Ibiz]

I am not sure--but certainly plausible. Just saying, it could have been a big Suburban. A Chevy Blazer. Two sedans. Anything. Vans always look suspicious to people because PSAs on TV always talk about a stranger giving you candy from them. They look "scary" to the collective consciousness. Paperboys aren't going to notice a guy sitting in a car as much as he notices the moving van guys in jump suits. Just saying, these tips are very, very weak. And the cause for wild speculation.

I think FBI agent Wright is correct in his assumption that the perps knew the comings and goings. And that a witness the police seek may have been part of an unplanned abduction.

I think the goal wasn't to murder at first--just my opinion. I think Stacy being a surprise led the perps to expedite whatever sick plan they had with the women.

I was a morning paperboy when I was a kid. I can say without doubt, that any vehicle unfamiliar in the neighborhood where you work would stick out like a sore thumb. At 3-4 or 5 AM you don't see many vehicles driving around, but the ones you do see, you will recognize.