Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[MooseMeMuch]

Yeah, why is that? I wonder........

Seriously?

 

[Missouri Mule]

Suzie would have become acquainted with some investigators and some beat cops as a result of being asked to testify against her ex-boyfriend. Maybe a married cop paid a little attention to her in order to seduce her. If that happened and she got pregnant, we'd have our explanation.

Women of Springfield should ask themselves whether they remember any cops who were known to cozy up to young women back in the early 90's.

I read of a similar theory and it can’t be ruled out of hand.

For a cop to impregnate a young woman while working a case would be terribly scandalous for the police department.

Having said that, I tend to doubt that is what happened. I believe it was more of a demented young male unable to control his hormones.

A cop would have had to cover this up and that would be difficult unless he did everything himself. Unlikely.

But it can’t be summarily ruled out. It would be prudent to look into that earlier order of protection to see who handled that case.

One thinks that would have been looked at from the very beginning and ruled out,

 

[Talullah]

I believe it very well be that simple. His hormones overrode his ability to envision the consequences.

Once he committed the crime he has had to endure 26 years of intense scrutiny. Eventually he will come unglued and make a mistake that will cost him his freedom and eventually his life on death row.

After all the police said from the very outset that it was a sexual assault.

During your investigation did you find out why police said this was a sexual assault?

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Women of Springfield should ask themselves whether they remember any cops who were known to cozy up to young women back in the early 90's.

I like your thinking.

I agree with Mule that this person was likely skilled in the analyzing of crime scenes and forensics.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

During your investigation did you find out why police said this was a sexual assault?

Can you point me to this quote? I've heard multiple potential motives.

 

[Missouri Mule]

During your investigation did you find out why police said this was a sexual assault?

I have never seen anything, written or spoken that would answer that question. I more or less assumed it was a fall back position since there were no other obvious motives.

It is one of the most common motives.

 

[Betty P]

I find it hard to believe that someone would try to discredit key pieces of evidence in a case like this. Both the paperboy and the FPL saw a van..

The street the FPL lived on was about a mile away from the Delmar home. Because the street appeared to lead to the interstate, it was also common to see vehicles turning around on this road, but to see a young girl that looked like Suzie crying/upset, and to hear a man yelling at her from the back of the van, if we consider the time frame, and the paperboy, then we know the FPL saw something.

Lets not make wild speculation without any sort of evidence to back up the claims while ignoring key evidence which makes it impossible.

If you look at photos of the Delmar house, you will see an alleyway to the right that runs behind a strip mall. It appears to me that the perps could have been parked in this alleyway while watching the Delmar house.

Don't forget the Garage Sale lady. She gave a very good description of the van and the man driving it.

 

[Talullah]

Suzie would have become acquainted with some investigators and some beat cops as a result of being asked to testify against her ex-boyfriend. Maybe a married cop paid a little attention to her in order to seduce her. If that happened and she got pregnant, we'd have our explanation.
Women of Springfield should ask themselves whether they remember any cops who were known to cozy up to young women back in the early 90's.

I’m not sure Suzie would’ve been into cops if she liked bad boys. I think she was probably pretty street smart.

 

[Talullah]

Can you point me to this quote? I've heard multiple potential motives.

I’m pretty sure I can google it.
Jefferson City News Tribue
June 9, 2002
It’s in the media links thread too!

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

The thing with these tips... is how do you know they aren't whack jobs? Every Tom, Dick, and Harry wanted to feel important during that time. I wonder how validity of tips were weighed...

 

[k-mac]

Taking both cars seems silly since they were going to the same place.

which is very much a red flag for me that suzie and stacy were leaving janelles but leaving so they didn't have to return there.
if the girls are just heading off for a nap before the water park which they are hooking up with Janelle again in the morning (like in 4 hours) why take BOTH cars???
something is hinky about this.

 

[Talullah]

which is very much a red flag for me that suzie and stacy were leaving janelles but leaving so they didn't have to return there.
if the girls are just heading off for a nap before the water park which they are hooking up with Janelle again in the morning (like in 4 hours) why take BOTH cars???
something is hinky about this.

I agree something is hinky and they didn’t plan to return to Janelle’s. Most people ride together to rehash events, and I’m sure they had plenty to discuss-especially after drinking all night at parties.

 

[k-mac]

I had many contentious contacts with Mike both on and off the internet. I first got the impression he believed there was a connection to one of the “Grand Jury 3”. But as time went on he backed away and finally said he thought it was some mysterious unknown predator.

I have also gone round and round with Bartt to no avail.

I often wondered if Mike wasn’t pulling my leg. I concluded after literally hundreds of contacts that his last opinion was the more likely of the scenarios.

When all the likely perps are eliminated we are left with this one last possibility. I truly believe we are looking at a mentally unstable homicidal maniac.

after literally hundreds of contacts with mike ( a person of interest in a triple homicide abduction) you come to his conclusion of a mysterious unknown predator...……..

your disclosure shows us the bias you carry about this case.

mikes not involved...because he told you so???????????????

anyone personally involved with any of these people should have to state in their post the connection.

its a bit of a joke what rolls around here.

 

[k-mac]

I wouldn’t be stunned if an unwanted pregnancy set off whatever happened. It makes sense. I think the key to all of this isn’t nearly as complex as it seems after all of these years.

agree totally

 

[Talullah]

If there’s nothing to the sightings of Sherrill, Suzie and Stacy, the fumes Officer Bookout noted at Delmar present another option. Odors are a common trigger for migraine sufferers and we know Stacy had migraines. Sherrill was refinishing furniture just hours before Suzie and Stacy allegedly arrived-and the fumes would’ve been stronger than Bookout noted. If odors triggered Stacy’s migraines she would’ve needed fresh air. Opening windows and running a fan might’ve made it more tolerable as well as given an intruder an additional option. The same goes for sleeping in a room with an open door.

 

[chestnut&bypass]

which is very much a red flag for me that suzie and stacy were leaving janelles but leaving so they didn't have to return there.
if the girls are just heading off for a nap before the water park which they are hooking up with Janelle again in the morning (like in 4 hours) why take BOTH cars???
something is hinky about this.

I agree something is hinky and they didn’t plan to return to Janelle’s. Most people ride together to rehash events, and I’m sure they had plenty to discuss-especially after drinking all night at parties.

These are very valid points....however, could it maybe have just been that too many of the visitors at Janelle's house had driven and there wasn't enough room for everybody's cars?

One more thing to consider is something I noticed when I was in highschool, and that is teenage girls are weird about their cars, especially if mom & dad bought it. I knew several girls who had strict rules about where the car could be taken, who could ride in the car, etc, and they usually played by the rules. Us guys just did whatever we wanted.

Anyone know if Stacy bought her car? We know she worked, but was that just for spending money, or was she made to pay her own way? May or may not make a difference in finding a reason for her to need to follow Suzie home instead of riding with her.

MOO of course, and I do have to consider if there was a conscious decision made not to return to Janelle's the next day....

 

[chestnut&bypass]

If there’s nothing to the sightings of Sherrill, Suzie and Stacy, the fumes Officer Bookout noted at Delmar present another option. Odors are a common trigger for migraine sufferers and we know Stacy had migraines. Sherrill was refinishing furniture just hours before Suzie and Stacy allegedly arrived-and the fumes would’ve been stronger than Bookout noted. If odors triggered Stacy’s migraines she would’ve needed fresh air. Opening windows and running a fan might’ve made it more tolerable as well as given an intruder an additional option. The same goes for sleeping in a room with an open door.

Good point, that house wouldn't have been tolerable to anyone who suffers headaches....not by a long shot.

 

[Missouri Mule]

after literally hundreds of contacts with mike ( a person of interest in a triple homicide abduction) you come to his conclusion of a mysterious unknown predator...……..

your disclosure shows us the bias you carry about this case.

mikes not involved...because he told you so???????????????

anyone personally involved with any of these people should have to state in their post the connection.

its a bit of a joke what rolls around here.

The Chief of Police personally ruled the grave robbers early on among others.

I was picking his brains for ideas not that we were good friends.

Please don’t characterize what I said as an endorsement of their behavior.

Information often comes from those who run in the circles of those who would know.

He is not a person of interest.

 

[k-mac]

The Chief of Police personally ruled the grave robbers early on among others.

I was picking his brains for ideas not that we were good friends.

Please don’t characterize what I said as an endorsement of their behavior.

Information often comes from those who run in the circles of those who would know.

He is not a person of interest.

but he was a person of interest.

and you do support his perspective.....

so maybe not endorsing his behaviour but supporting his perspective is bias.

no matter what way you wanna slice it

 

[thrivegirl]

I’m not saying 3 women are frequently killed by an angry baby-daddy. I’m saying that it’s a theory that makes a lot of sense to me in this particular case.

One of the big questions in this case is motive, and it’s frequently mentioned that one of the women may have been the target with the other two as collateral damage. Well, if Suzie was indeed pg (upset stomach, needing a friend etc), that could have pushed the already-angry ex over the edge. Double motive - solve both his criminal & personal problem birds with one stone. It’s a known fact that women are at highest risk for DV- related homicides when pg and/or trying to leave. And the theory that she may have been targeted due to the criminal case has been around since day one. So, it fits.

Another big discussion is that the “amateur “ criminal couldn’t pull this off alone. Enter the fresh-from-prison, experienced felon family friend and you’ve got that question answered, as well.

Hi, I'm new here, but have been following the case and reading threads.
I think Suzie possibly pg is a good consideration. I'm wondering if Any of the girls, especially Sherrill and Suzie kept a diary?? If so were they found? Otherwise I'm thinking along the lines that perhaps the Perpetrator/s wanted to confiscate diaries, so to remove information that perpetuates him as the father of child. Hence the bedroom having a searched for item appearance, and their handbags being looked into. A process of eliminating any information about the perpetrator .
Just some of my thinking