Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[cherrymeg]

Yes, sounds correct-o. Poor shlep.

And that video looks 'live' to me...if it was a re-enactment.... IMO it would be instigated by LE to cover their tails. Otherwise, waste of time and resources.

I also believe it's a live taping b/c it's so......90s Midwest......Our image was not helped by interviewing 'Asher' aka goat farmer at his double-wide home. Or was it sheep....either way. Didn't help the ol' image.

So the thought of a LIVE broadcast of said lie detector testing....very possible. It's how we rolled in the 90s.

I watched that episode of 48 hours. I think one scene shows cops pulling over a guy possibly drinking a beer, his friend is barely conscious in his truck bed. They were let off with a "drive safe" and with the cop suggesting truck bed guy not get that smashed at his wedding or show up like that lol. The Joplin man's polygraph looked live to me too. A person asks if he feels okay.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

One of the areas that has always intrigued me is the report that the cars had been moved that night from where they had been previously first seen. This morning it occurred to me what probably happened.

When the girls came home it is highly probable that Suzie initially drove in from the east side of the house, coming off Glenstone Avenue. After Stacy followed her in I’m speculating that Suzie realized they would likely be blocking Sherrill’s exit that morning since her car was in the carport and Stacy’s car was likely blocking Sherrill from leaving without waking them up.

She went back to Stacy and asked they move their cars to the west side of the driveway and they could sleep in late since that was one of the longest days of the years. There was no rush since Branson was a short drive of 40-45 miles from there. Nigel, said to be Suzie’s best friend has, I believe, was her best friend said that Suzie always parked in the carport next to her bedroom.

If one looks at the photos of the cars one will see that Suzie’s right front tire is off the amply wide driveway. It suggests it was not her usual method of driving directly into the carport. If she did it would have required her to make a sharp left turn into the carport. It is logical she pulled straight into the carport.

The fly in the ointment is that it was reported that Sherrill took the side door key from her as she had left unlocked at one time. Suzie would have been required to walk around to the front door. Supposedly Suzie was provided only with the front door key. It has also been asserted that Sherrill had the doors rekeyed not once but twice. That is not an established fact to my knowledge.

But we can be certain that Suzie only had the front key as one of the officers working the case tole me personally that Suzie only had the front door key and not the carport door key. For a long time I had posited the view the kidnapper kept the side door key to come and go as he prepared the crime scene. That was eventually cleared up when a good friend of Sherrill said that due to her safety concerns she wanted only to come and go through the front door.

For what it is worth, my understanding is that Sgt. Scott Hill is or was the lead detective. I thought perhaps someone might have later information.

I have read where you have stated that Sherrill had taken the key to the side door away from Susie, but I have NEVER read this anywhere in any news story I've read. Can you provide a citation for the source of this claim? I've read every news article I have been able to dig up, including microfich archives of news papers from back when this crime occurred, but I've never ever seen this statement made. Help us out by posting the source of this information please.

 

[SAMS]

Finding out what happened that night at the different parties might lead to a motive. I think they need to reinterview classmates and friends.

I agree with you entirely on this.

 

[SAMS]

The crime scene was changed as the various visitors came and went from the house. I think it is entirely logical to consider that a visitor(s) was looking through the purse for clues or phone numbers to call.

We don’t know if a photograph was in the photo frame or the frame was just laying there to place a new photograph, possibly taken just that night. Certainly if there was a photograph was in there it would have been somewhat to remove without leaving some DNA behind.

I use the time honored rule that we don’t know what we don’t know. As has been said, there are known knowns, unknown knowns and then unknown unknowns.

The missing photo would fall into the category of unknown knowns. All we know as laymen is that it was an empty photo frame. We don’t know if it ever had a photo.

I've always thought that the "missing photo" was simply an empty frame that couldve been that way since they had just recently moved in and perhaps was going to have a grad photo put in.

 

[Talullah]

The empty frame could’ve been a graduation gift.

 

[SAMS]

The empty frame could’ve been a graduation gift.

Yes!

 

[flute4peace]

The only person I have suspected was Cox.

Who are you referring to?

You've been pretty adamant lately that you have a POI that hasn't been named publicly. Are you now saying that your POI is Cox?

 

[MooseMeMuch]

It is interesting isn't it. I mean, all we have to really go on to gauge what they did, is by what is in the news papers, but the more I read, the more I think the investigation was a cluster #$%@, and maybe that's why it hasn't been solved yet. JMO

Yes. The cluster *&^% label has been used before. Lol
So has Keystone Cops......

 

[MooseMeMuch]

You've been pretty adamant lately that you have a POI that hasn't been named publicly. Are you now saying that your POI is Cox?

"Hasn't been named publicly" ? WTH? Does not compute with Cox. He's SPDs "Poster Boy"....

 

[MooseMeMuch]

No one is trying to blame them. A lot of people have implied or said Suzie and Sherrill attracted danger and brought this on themselves because Sherrill was a single mom, and Suzie had a degree of freedom like living with her brother. The brother was a suspect for a time. If the 3 women weren't together that night would any of them have disappeared? It depends on the perpetrator. It's about looking at everyone the girls saw that night. Finding out who was at what party, what kind of stuff happened at them. Also maybe reconsider any sighting of Sherrill that night.

Thank you cherrymeg, very sweet of you

May I add.......Mrs. McCall stated on at least one of the broadcasts, that if the girls had participated in Project Graduation....things would have turned out differently. Was she blaming Stacy?

Not meaning to blame the victims even though it could be interpreted as such. My apologies.

 

[Missouri Mule]

You've been pretty adamant lately that you have a POI that hasn't been named publicly. Are you now saying that your POI is Cox?

There is someone(s) not in the news. But Cox can’t be ruled out as someone who was somehow involved.

I decline to provide those name(s) except to the police.

It is a virtual certainty, however, that he/they have posted here and elsewhere.

As I have said elsewhere it is easy to post something that is proven fact as they can’t be argued. There are also certain posts that are very similar to previous posts by someone who used different names.

As an example, someone says the only way the case can be solved. is through a confession. If the perp or perps know that he/they would not confess and know that there isn’t evidence to indict he can’t be disproven.

There is or was a poster even here who used at least two names but denies it and says only a confession can solve it I question everything he has to say. I’m sure he has covered his tracks well as he is a computer wizard. He has not posted in years, however.

As to my previous post I should have said an additional unnamed person OTHER than Cox.

 

[cherrymeg]

There is someone(s) not in the news. But Cox can’t be ruled out as someone who was somehow involved.

I decline to provide those name(s) except to the police.

It is a virtual certainty, however, that he/they have posted here and elsewhere.

As I have said elsewhere it is easy to post something that is proven fact as they can’t be argued. There are also certain posts that are very similar to previous posts by someone who used different names.

As an example, someone says the only way the case can be solved. is through a confession. If the perp or perps know that he/they would not confess and know that there isn’t evidence to indict he can’t be disproven.

There is or was a poster even here who used at least two names but denies it and says only a confession can solve it I question everything he has to say. I’m sure he has covered his tracks well as he is a computer wizard. He has not posted in years, however.

As to my previous post I should have said an additional unnamed person OTHER than Cox.

Mentally unstable people confess to all sorts of crimes. That does not make them credible. If you suspect someone call the Springfield PD. You don't have to have proof of their guilt or innocence let the police or FBI handle that. Circumstantial evidence isn't a joke it gets people convicted. Cold cases often are solved this way.

 

[flute4peace]

"Hasn't been named publicly" ? WTH? Does not compute with Cox. He's SPDs "Poster Boy"....

I know, that's why I was confused, because MM has been talking about an un-named POI lately.

 

[flute4peace]

There is someone(s) not in the news. But Cox can’t be ruled out as someone who was somehow involved.

I decline to provide those name(s) except to the police.

It is a virtual certainty, however, that he/they have posted here and elsewhere.

As I have said elsewhere it is easy to post something that is proven fact as they can’t be argued. There are also certain posts that are very similar to previous posts by someone who used different names.

As an example, someone says the only way the case can be solved. is through a confession. If the perp or perps know that he/they would not confess and know that there isn’t evidence to indict he can’t be disproven.

There is or was a poster even here who used at least two names but denies it and says only a confession can solve it I question everything he has to say. I’m sure he has covered his tracks well as he is a computer wizard. He has not posted in years, however.

As to my previous post I should have said an additional unnamed person OTHER than Cox.

Thanks for the explanation.

Just for the sake of full disclosure, didn't you also post under two usernames at one time? I was thinking you were Richrd. (not accusing, obviously, just wanting to make sure I have all my facts straight)

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

There is someone(s) not in the news. But Cox can’t be ruled out as someone who was somehow involved.

I decline to provide those name(s) except to the police.

It is a virtual certainty, however, that he/they have posted here and elsewhere.

As I have said elsewhere it is easy to post something that is proven fact as they can’t be argued. There are also certain posts that are very similar to previous posts by someone who used different names.

As an example, someone says the only way the case can be solved. is through a confession. If the perp or perps know that he/they would not confess and know that there isn’t evidence to indict he can’t be disproven.

There is or was a poster even here who used at least two names but denies it and says only a confession can solve it I question everything he has to say. I’m sure he has covered his tracks well as he is a computer wizard. He has not posted in years, however.

As to my previous post I should have said an additional unnamed person OTHER than Cox.

Have you reported the person who used the name Monkeyman to the police as a potential suspect? I've seen on other forums that you've accused this person many different times of being involved in the crime? Yes or no? And if yes, then why? Or if no, then why? You've accused this person of being involved in the crime many times, but not provided one ounce of proof, even though this person has given you their alibi time and time again. Do you have proof of this individuals involvement, or is it pure unfounded speculation on your part. Or were you just being vindictive in accusing this person, just because they didn't agree with you. I personally feel the right thing for you to do, is admit that you were wrong, and publicly recant your accusation, as well as, apologize to them here for falsely accusing them. Don't you?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Thanks for the explanation.

Just for the sake of full disclosure, didn't you also post under two usernames at one time? I was thinking you were Richrd. (not accusing, obviously, just wanting to make sure I have all my facts straight)

Missouri Mule IS Richard. He admitted this in numerous posts over the years. Just for the sake of full disclosure. No one outed him, he outed himself years ago.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Mentally unstable people confess to all sorts of crimes. That does not make them credible. If you suspect someone call the Springfield PD. You don't have to have proof of their guilt or innocence let the police or FBI handle that. Circumstantial evidence isn't a joke it gets people convicted. Cold cases often are solved this way.

Well, from what I have observed over the years, and what I have seen accusation wise posted on the internet by Mule, against many different people, just because they didn't agree with his theory, this is a pattern of behavior that needs to cease. Just because people don't agree with anyone's given theory, and end up butting heads over it, by no means makes them a suspect, and by extension they should never be accused of such just based on differing opinions. That is just not right and no one deserves to be falsely accused based on differing opinions. No one. As I've said, I have had a couple private conversations with this person, and they have a iron clad alibi. A public recantment and formal apology would be the right thing for Mule to do. Continuing to falsely accuse people, only destroys Mules credibility. Fact!

 

[cherrymeg]

Well, from what I have observed over the years, and what I have seen accusation wise posted on the internet by Mule, against many different people, just because they didn't agree with his theory, this is a pattern of behavior that needs to cease. Just because people don't agree with anyone's given theory, and end up butting heads over it, by no means makes them a suspect, and by extension they should never be accused of such just based on differing opinions. That is just not right and no one deserves to be falsely accused based on differing opinions. No one. As I've said, I have had a couple private conversations with this person, and they have a iron clad alibi. A public recantment and formal apology would be the right thing for Mule to do. Continuing to falsely accuse people, only destroys Mules credibility. Fact!

I did ask two people on this site if they were involved in the crime. They seemed to have details and presented as facts not theory. The one person took it badly. I asked and then dropped it. You can't just accuse people and insist they are a suspect. If you really suspect someone you call crimestoppers or the Springfield PD with tips. Insisting someone is a criminal on this forum isn't helping anyone. Three women vanished our goal should be to help, not point fingers at people we don't agree with. There is a difference between trying to get attention for a case and pointing out flaws or asking questions, suggesting theories and acting like detectives when we aren't trained and are possibly putting ourselves at risk or crossing the line into stalkerville.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Thanks for the explanation.

Just for the sake of full disclosure, didn't you also post under two usernames at one time? I was thinking you were Richrd. (not accusing, obviously, just wanting to make sure I have all my facts straight)

I have always posted here with the same name. If you can point to somewhere you believe I have posted with another name I would like to see it and let you know.

On the other site at one occasion my registered account was hacked. If someone hacks an account it is impossible to get back in but to reregister. Although I have posted as Richard, my true name, it is not registered, and others have come along and used my name. It is a losing battle there which is largely unregulated.

Here that is generally not a problem but I am 99% certain certain people have stopped using their registered name but have come back with another name. In one case I know that is true 100%.

I will not deceive anyone by playing that game. I believe my account allows private emails if they choose. So this can be taken off the board. There are also the PM option but that doesn’t really work well in thorough explanations and I believe does not offer edits.

 

[Deleted member 227458]

I read that too. So it begs the question, why did they treat the house like they lived there, when they had NEVER been there. And yes, good catch, there was mention of JK's clothes, buy never any of MH's clothes. So many questions have gone unanswered. So many questions remain left to be sorted out. Ugggggg.

THIS, Scoob! IMO, it defies belief.

Also, linking the YT Vid of the Springfield Three Disappeared Episode, which includes JK's version of events:

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JK picked up the phone at the residence when it rang.
Question: Who picks up the phone at someone else's house? Who does that? Has anyone here ever done that? I'm genuinely interested to know. That baffles me.
Question: Has LE ever indicated if they traced the phone number the call came from?
It was reported by LE in the Disappeared episode to be "a brief call."
JK states it was an obscene phone call.

JMO and speculation only: when JM listened to the answering machine later on that day and inadvertently erased a message, might it have been a cryptic message left for "other individuals" who had been in the house earlier that day?