Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #9

[SpringfieldMan341]

Joe's bond was for 10,000 and his is June 22,1992. I agree his was higher for skipping town.

It was actually $100,000. Or was at one point.

NL, Missing, Day 24:
"The 21 year old man, JR, is jailed in Illinois awaiting extradition to Springfield on a fugitive warrant for institutional vandalism. The fugitive was believed to be in town when the three disappeared from Levitt's home. The fugitive is held in Lake County,IL jail on a fugitive bond of $100,000. He was arrested in Mundlein, IL, about 50 miles north of Chicago. Officials would not say if he lives there, nor would they explain the $100,000 bond. A June 22 Greene County warrant placed a $10,000 bond on him for the vandalism charge."

Officials say a lot about Joe that isn't adding up. Was he an informant for not only the vandalism case, but for something else? He was a thief and drug user....was there any other things he did we aren't aware of?

What I want to know is, did he come back to Springfield? I know Mike does not think he would have a reason and, unless eyes were on him, and with cops saying he WAS in town post-case file date.....he is still a suspect. IMO.........

 

[asyousay]

<modsnip - no source provided>

Garrison is obviously capable of a lot of things. He was convicted of rape. I wouldn’t put anything past him.

Thanks for the reply

What do you think happened to them?

Did the town gossip about what had happened?

I am from London, UK so I have no idea on what small towns in American are like. But I’m assuming it was the talk of the town for awhile and everybody had there own ideas on what had happened.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Lake County IL

Joseph P Riedel
Joseph P Vocke
Joseph P Reidel
Joesph P Riedel
Case Number: 92MR00000289
Case Title: PEOPLE RIEDEL
Case Type: MISCELLANEOUS REMEDY
Case SubType: FUGITIVE FROM JUSTICE
Case Status: CLOSED
Filed Date: 1992-06-29

Michael K Clay
Case Number: 91CM00004125
Case Title: PEOPLE CLAY
Case Type: CRIMINAL MISDEMEANOR
Case Status: CLOSED
Filed Date: 1991-10-09

Case Number: 91CM00003565
Case Title: PEOPLE CLAY
Case Type: CRIMINAL MISDEMEANOR
Case Status: CLOSED
Filed Date: 1991-09-06

Mundelein

----------------------------

Note the "File Date" with Joe versus the one with Mike? Notice difference in case types?

Mike, I don't want to make this about your dirty laundry from 1991, so no need to comment on those things. But I have to wonder about people you may have had in your friend group, that may have been linked to something more criminal...

If you and Joe got in trouble in IL, did any of that carry over into Springfield? Those same friends?

Attn: Websleuths, I am assuming SantaChrist is MC, if he needs to be verified first, I understand that..........I am aware of the rules.

 

[Santachrist]

Thanks for the reply

What do you think happened to them?

Did the town gossip about what had happened?

I am from London, UK so I have no idea on what small towns in American are like. But I’m assuming it was the talk of the town for awhile and everybody had there own ideas on what had happened.

I think someone Sherrill knew found out she was going to be alone that night and took advantage. When the girls came home unexpectedly and interrupted things, the situation spiraled out of control.

 

[flute4peace]

I listened to the The Generation Why Podcast on this case yesterday and something really jumped out at me. If Jenelle started calling the house looking for them at 7:30 AM, why were there no messages from her on the answering machine? You would think that if she were so concerned about finding them, there would have been multiple messages. Or even if she didn’t actually speak a nessage, most people will let a phone ring until an answering machine picks up before they hang up. I remember the answering machine we had during that time and we got dialtone messages from hangup calls all the time. It just struck me as odd.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

I think someone Sherrill knew found out she was going to be alone that night and took advantage. When the girls came home unexpectedly and interrupted things, the situation spiraled out of control.

Reasonable.

But then why was Sherrill spotted at APCO, seemingly in a panic?

 

[asyousay]

I listened to the The Generation Why Podcast on this case yesterday and something really jumped out at me. If Jenelle started calling the house looking for them at 7:30 AM, why were there no messages from her on the answering machine? You would think that if she were so concerned about finding them, there would have been multiple messages. Or even if she didn’t actually speak a nessage, most people will let a phone ring until an answering machine picks up before they hang up. I remember the answering machine we had during that time and we got dialtone messages from hangup calls all the time. It just struck me as odd.

I wonder if she deleted some of the messages of the phone. She did a lot of stuff that doesn’t add up but answering the phone is top of the list so maybe she was busy deleting messages she had left in anger and that’s why she answered the phone when whoever called as it was instant as she was by it.

I am still convinced the phone call was as grotesque as she claimed as it’s not in the original report from the first responder and if it was as nasty as she claimed then she would of reported it strange away.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

I wonder if she deleted some of the messages of the phone. She did a lot of stuff that doesn’t add up but answering the phone is top of the list so maybe she was busy deleting messages she had left in anger and that’s why she answered the phone when whoever called as it was instant as she was by it.

I am still convinced the phone call was as grotesque as she claimed as it’s not in the original report from the first responder and if it was as nasty as she claimed then she would of reported it strange away.

Didn't the user Hurricane show that the cops nailed the prankster that was calling multiple houses in the area? It's in one of the other threads. Same one believed to have called Levitt's house.

I think the obscene calls mean very little to the case. Just like Detective Allen Neal said on Disappeared.

The perps leaving money and all the items in the house tell me that they were in a hurry to get rid of the women. They wouldn't play games likely, they wanted to get the women, and immediately to a remote location. I doubt they wanted to leave any more traces....which is proven with time and how this case remains unsolved, unfortunately.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Do we know how many people took polygraphs?

I believe Bartt, Mike, Dusty, cocaine dealer from Joplin and apparently Joe, though no public info on his passing of it.

21 polygraphs administered before July 23, 1992 (News-Leader)

# NAME (SOURCE)[STATUS]
01. Bartt Streeter (News-Leader)[PASSED]
02. Dustin Recla (News-Leader)[PASSED]
03. Michael Clay (News-Leader)[PASSED]
04. Mike Kovac (News-Leader)[PASSED]
05. "Joplin Man" (48 Hours)[PASSED]
06. Laclede County Suspect #1 (News-Leader)[PASSED]
07. Laclede County Suspect #2 (News-Leader)[PASSED]
08. <modsnip - not allowed source>
09.?????[PASSED]
10.?????[PASSED]
11.?????[PASSED]
12.?????[PASSED]
13.?????[PASSED]
14.?????[PASSED]
15.?????[PASSED]
16.?????[PASSED]
17.?????[PASSED]
18.?????[PASSED]
19.?????[PASSED]
20.?????[PASSED]
21.?????[FAILED]

After July 23, 1992
- Joseph Riedel (<modsnip - not allowed source>)[PASSED] (Unverified)

Refused Polygraph
- Robert Cox **
- Steve Garrison ***

It's possible some 10 or so of the ones polygraphed were the teens at the time. Either Mike and Dusty's party pals and/or Janelle/Joy/Henson crowd.

 

[asyousay]

I believe Bartt, Mike, Dusty, cocaine dealer from Joplin and apparently Joe, though no public info on his passing of it.

21 polygraphs administered before July 23, 1992 (News-Leader)

# NAME (SOURCE)[STATUS]
01. Bartt Streeter (News-Leader)[PASSED]
02. Dustin Recla (News-Leader)[PASSED]
03. Michael Clay (News-Leader)[PASSED]
04. Mike Kovac (News-Leader)[PASSED]
05. "Joplin Man" (48 Hours)[PASSED]
06. Laclede County Suspect #1 (News-Leader)[PASSED]
07. Laclede County Suspect #2 (News-Leader)[PASSED]
08. <modsnip - not allowed source>
09.?????[PASSED]
10.?????[PASSED]
11.?????[PASSED]
12.?????[PASSED]
13.?????[PASSED]
14.?????[PASSED]
15.?????[PASSED]
16.?????[PASSED]
17.?????[PASSED]
18.?????[PASSED]
19.?????[PASSED]
20.?????[PASSED]
21.?????[FAILED]

After July 23, 1992
- Joseph Riedel (<modsnip - not allowed source>)[PASSED] (Unverified)

Refused Polygraph
- Robert Cox **
- Steve Garrison ***

It's possible some 10 or so of the ones polygraphed were the teens at the time. Either Mike and Dusty's party pals and/or Janelle/Joy/Henson crowd.

So there are a ton of suspects we have no idea about?

Do you think Janelle or Mike took one?

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Grand Jury 3 Article

"Grand Jury convenes
Aug 26, 1994 2:00 PM
A federal grand jury reviewed evidence in the missing women's case. Police sources said they had three suspects at the time.

One was a 36-year-old man from Springfield with a long criminal record dating to 1978. He's spent most of his adult life in jail or prison, including sentences for stealing, burglary, theft, robbery and harassment. He had escaped from prison and, most recently, was arrested for raping and sodomizing a woman in Springfield after breaking into her home. On this date, he was behind bars.

The second suspect was a 28-year-old man from Kansas. He, too, has a criminal record dating to 1984, including convictions for burglary, aggravated assault, escape and various parole violations. He also was behind bars at this time.

The third suspect was a 28-year-old man who was originally from Cedar County, Mo., near Stockton. He was first arrested in 1985 and has done time for burglary, stealing and parole violation. He escaped from prison with the first suspect in 1990 but was in custody as of this date.

These three men were moved around the Kansas prison system for years and often did time together in the same facility. When the three women disappeared, all three of the men were on the street.

The federal grand jury issued no indictments."

The first man is Garrison, the other two, his buddies, were Kansas prison inmates. Both are known. But not believed to have been involved. Only to have knowledge of some that maybe were. Allegedly.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Reasonable.

But then why was Sherrill spotted at APCO, seemingly in a panic?

I had not heard of this until recently on this page. Where is this from? I’ve heard other rumors of spottings, but all were ruled out.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

I had not heard of this until recently on this page. Where is this from? I’ve heard other rumors of spottings, but all were ruled out.

Apco is the only one that seems credible. George's sighting was ruled out. Apco wasn't officially ruled out, someone on 48 Hours suggest the clerk was wrong,they were across the street and not close enough to see anyways, but he only had 10-12 customers a night. I am pretty sure this was a legit identification.

Irish, please see some of the media link pages on Websleuths. Another user posted the Apco Newspaper clippings.

 

[Blue Girl1991]

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[Blue Girl1991]

I believe Bartt, Mike, Dusty, cocaine dealer from Joplin and apparently Joe, though no public info on his passing of it.

21 polygraphs administered before July 23, 1992 (News-Leader)

# NAME (SOURCE)[STATUS]
01. Bartt Streeter (News-Leader)[PASSED]
02. Dustin Recla (News-Leader)[PASSED]
03. Michael Clay (News-Leader)[PASSED]
04. Mike Kovac (News-Leader)[PASSED]
05. "Joplin Man" (48 Hours)[PASSED]
06. Laclede County Suspect #1 (News-Leader)[PASSED]
07. Laclede County Suspect #2 (News-Leader)[PASSED]
08. <modsnip - source not allowed>
09.?????[PASSED]
10.?????[PASSED]
11.?????[PASSED]
12.?????[PASSED]
13.?????[PASSED]
14.?????[PASSED]
15.?????[PASSED]
16.?????[PASSED]
17.?????[PASSED]
18.?????[PASSED]
19.?????[PASSED]
20.?????[PASSED]
21.?????[FAILED]

After July 23, 1992
- Joseph Riedel (<modsnip - source not allowed>)[PASSED] (Unverified)

Refused Polygraph
- Robert Cox **
- Steve Garrison ***

It's possible some 10 or so of the ones polygraphed were the teens at the time. Either Mike and Dusty's party pals and/or Janelle/Joy/Henson crowd.

Thank you for the list
SpringfieldMan341
, I posted the list before I saw your post/
When I think about 3 19 years old guys,
Dustin ,Michael ,Riedel
nervous from the investigation and from the situation when they considered suspects... and still each one of them passed the polygraph test. I would expect that if they were involved then at least one of them will fail but all of them passed, for me it means that it's happened because they said the truth to the questions

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I listened to the The Generation Why Podcast on this case yesterday and something really jumped out at me. If Jenelle started calling the house looking for them at 7:30 AM, why were there no messages from her on the answering machine? You would think that if she were so concerned about finding them, there would have been multiple messages. Or even if she didn’t actually speak a nessage, most people will let a phone ring until an answering machine picks up before they hang up. I remember the answering machine we had during that time and we got dialtone messages from hangup calls all the time. It just struck me as odd.

Good Call!!! I have thought the exact same thing. And, when they talked about "A Call" being accidentally erased, they spoke in the singular tense, implying that it was "One Call" that got erased.
And you know that JK would have left more than one message. Remember she said, "I called, and called, and called, but no one answered". Certainly she would have left at at least one message. Although it could be a possibility that she did, and they just never mentioned anything about it in the news, or in the things the police said publicly.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Thank you for the list
SpringfieldMan341
, I posted the list before I saw your post/
when I think about 3 19 years old guys,
Dustin ,Michael ,Riedel
nervous from the investigation and from the situation when they considered suspects... and still each one of them passed the polygraph test. I would expect that if they were involved then at least one of them will fail but all of them passed, for me it means that it happened because they said the truth to the questions

The news did say that one person failed their polygraph, but never stated who it was. I wonder who failed?? And that's one person out of all of the people who took the polygraph. I'm saying that because I don't want to imply that it was one of the grave robbers, because we just don't know who it was and I don't want and more rumors or false information to get perpetuated.

 

[Blue Girl1991]

The news did say that one person failed their polygraph, but never stated who it was. I wonder who failed?? And that's one person out of all of the people who took the polygraph. I'm saying that because I don't want to imply that it was one of the grave robbers, because we just don't know who it was and I don't want and more rumors or false information to get perpetuated.

The unknown person and the only one who failed was asked by the police to take the test for some reason which known by the police and unfortunately not by us , did they asked him because he was familiar with Suzie or Sherrill ?or he was a known criminal? if we knew all the answers to these questions it might help a lot.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Apco is the only one that seems credible. George's sighting was ruled out. Apco wasn't officially ruled out, someone on 48 Hours suggest the clerk was wrong,they were across the street and not close enough to see anyways, but he only had 10-12 customers a night. I am pretty sure this was a legit identification.

Irish, please see some of the media link pages on Websleuths. Another user posted the Apco Newspaper clippings.

I’ll try and find, but honestly I don’t take the news articles seriously at all. Have seen too many errors over the years.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

The reason I do not suspect the Teen Cleanup Crew (Janelle/Mike) and the Battlefield folks is because there's no one with the criminal capability in their background and because the cops leaned on Garrison for this for two whole years. There's something to do the Garrison connection (he knows who did it).

If Battlefield Teens did this, then Sherrill's involvement only works if you force the theory. And there's no rhyme or reason she would suspect trouble because the time she was spotted at Apco, the girls were at their last party still and heading back to Janelle's. Then you have the whole problem of what got Sherrill out of the house? If she suspected trouble, it takes 25 mins to get to Apco from Delmar, so that means a call was placed from the Elder's party. Michelle Elder said everything was fine outside of some strangers she didn't know attending the party. You're telling me 20-30 kids can keep a secret for all these years? Plus why stop at Sherrill? Why not call Bartt and kill him too? Why not call Janis and Stu and off them? It makes no sense to kill Sherrill. That's why that theory is bogus.

Now is it possible Henson knew or associated with the same peripheral Mike and Dusty did, yes. <modsnip - no source> Lots of fringe players that possibly connect up to the criminal crew Garrison associated with.