Misty Failed Polygraph Test

[s1rebecca]

I watched the video, it's still hard for me to believe that Misty is guilty she just does not seem very smart. She comes across very genuine answering the questions. I have a very smart 17 YO and I just could not see her being smart enough to pull something like this off, let alone be able to be questioned without cracking. She cried when she got a speeding ticket. I think Misty has told what she knows. I just feel like we are back to square one and we still don't know what happend to Haleigh. I actually feel kind of sad for her, sounds like she had a pretty crappy life and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. IMO

 

[MADJGNLAW]

:waitasec: So, Misty is now pointing the finger at her brother and Crystal? And LE now says that Misty is their POI. I would like to know what is going to happen next? If LE feels she is the POI why have they not arrested her? She has been free for six months and has not given LE the information they need, maybe they need to lock her up so that she will talk. :behindbar

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office says Misty is their person of interest right now
Updated: Friday, 28 Aug 2009
"Snip" TRACY JACIM
(WOFL FOX 35) - A man who recently gave Misty a lie detector test says she “failed miserably.” He says Misty is hiding something.


During a couple hours of voice analysis, a polygraph and even hypnosis; Misty again and again points the finger at other people. Tim Miller says the polygraph test was not effective, adding that Misty was not cooperative, even though she was the one who requested it be conducted.

"If it's her mother's side of the family... they came in and took her because they didn't want to pay child support.... or if it was somebody else.... I keep hearing things about my brother... I have no idea if he took her," said Misty.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office says Misty is their person of interest right now adding that her only consistency is her inconsistency.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news...n_Haleigh_case

At this link you see her voice analysis and part of the poly several videos at this link. Take look and listen closely, she now claims she does not know why she woke, just that she woke up.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video...d0b7d36168356&maven_referralObject=1229703739

 

[Emeralgem]

Well certainly most likely the child was not murdered there. Let's hope she wasn't murdered at all. But I am saying that Misty is not sophistocated enough to think about putting a cinder block to prop open the door. That block is evidence that someone brought it with them IMO unless you susbscribe to the theory that Ron is involved as well.

Excuse me, but what does sophistication have to do with someone being capable of knowing how to prop open a door with a cinder block?
And I do subscribe to the theory that not only is Ron C involved, but most likely responsible for whatever it is that happened to Haleigh. I also subscribe to the belief the bed,door,cinder block and alleged abduction was all staged.JMO

 

[SuziQ]

I watched the video, it's still hard for me to believe that Misty is guilty she just does not seem very smart. She comes across very genuine answering the questions. I have a very smart 17 YO and I just could not see her being smart enough to pull something like this off, let alone be able to be questioned without cracking. She cried when she got a speeding ticket. I think Misty has told what she knows. I just feel like we are back to square one and we still don't know what happend to Haleigh. I actually feel kind of sad for her, sounds like she had a pretty crappy life and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. IMO

Really? DP, LWOP, and your boyfriend now husband, finding out you killed his daughter is a great motivator to be smart. Probably in ways she's never had to be before. She hasn't been smart or pulled anything on anyone. LE has had her number from the get go. All they lack is a body.

ETA: and Misty has cried, thrown temper tantrums and walked out, just like a typical 17 year old. Doesn't mean much to me. Except she's acting her age and has nothing to do with what she did. IMO of course.

 

[SuziQ]

And I'll take this further. Why would Ron marry Misty after his daughter supposedly was kidnapped on her watch and can't give a straight answer? I can't overlook that he was involved as well.

 

[kamky]

:waitasec: So, Misty is now pointing the finger at her brother and Crystal? And LE now says that Misty is their POI. I would like to know what is going to happen next? If LE feels she is the POI why have they not arrested her? She has been free for six months and has not given LE the information they need, maybe they need to lock her up so that she will talk. :behindbar

Has LE has officially come out and said that Misty is POI?? Or do we just have a foxorlando reporter/writer who used this as a descriptive about Misty (although they should know better)? I may have missed something...

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Hello Nedthan Johns,
I was wondering if you might share your theory here or direct me to a post that would enlighten me? IMO the crime scene was staged to look like many things to confuse LE from the begining. It worked I have to say and who ever was the mastermind behind this did think of a few more elements to gain more from this crime than HaLeigh. (The very date she was abducted!!! the various players who became involved and showed themselves to be liars in the claim they where looking for Haliegh and this is about finding HaLeigh. It was apparent from the begining there was personal agendas being persued by many and It was not to find and recover HaLeigh. Ron has undergone the most horrifice life experiance that any individual much less a father has had to endure and live through and I imagine the Cummings Family will never be the same even if HaLeigh is found and returned. My heart goes out to HaLeigh and those that truelly love her, because untill she is returned everones heart remains broken and stolen and HaLeigh will never be forgotten.

This is just my preliminary theory based on the little that I know. You all probably know a lot more then I do and this theory may change some as time goes on but the motive always will be the same. This was an abduction by a pedophile. Evidence as we know it please feel free to add:


1. There is no motive for Misty to have hurt Haleigh
2. The Croslin's were new to the neighborhood
------------------------------------------------
According to Misty:
3. Cousin was a known pedophile, history in Misty's past of sexual abuse
4. Brother acted suspecious and sold automobile shortly after abduction
5. Brother was afraid to speak to police
6. Brother slept in same clothes he wore all night
-------------------------------------------------
7. Trailor door was proped open with cinder block not recognized by family
8. Brother saw man in black
9. Scent of Haleigh was picked up by dogs not leading any further then a pond a short distance from the home
10. dog hit on a shed or make shift cover near tracks by home
11 An AC repair man was in the home the night before Haleigh was abducted
12. Haleigh's shirt she wore to bed was found in a hamper near the front door.
13 Haleigh's biological mother was too far to have abducted her daughter
14. The immediate family, Ron, Misty, Haleigh's real mother, GP's etc. have been cooperative with LE
15 Ron was arrested for battery against his brother in-law
16 Cousin stole gun from home
17 Several convicted sex offenders lived within close proximity of the home
18 No unknown fingerprints were found at the crime scene

My theory:

Sometime during the day prior to Haleigh's disappearnce her abductor saw her playing and decided he was going to take her that evening. This is someone who had been in or near the home before. Knew where the child was or would be sleeping. This was a planned abduction. He thought far enough ahead that he knew he had to prop the door open as to not make noise. The intruder was dressed in black as collaborated by Jr. Haleigh was removed from the home on foot for some time before her abductor removed her from the area with his vehicle which was parked out of view from the mobile home. She was raped, murdered and dumped most likely within 20 miles of her home. I at one time believed her abductor may have been the cousin and he drove out of state. Only 1 person abducted the child i.e. due to the door having been propped open, but I do believe 1 other person knows who this abductor is and is helping to hide or conceal evidence. This person is not Misty.

I won't go as far as to say whether her body will be found or not because on that one I was wrong in the Anthony case. I think the clues to this case are connected with the family and or person's around the family the day prior to the abduction. I sadly do not believe Haleigh is alive. I do believe the perpetrator is a sex offender/pedophile and that was the motive for taking the child.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Excuse me, but what does sophistication have to do with someone being capable of knowing how to prop open a door with a cinder block?
And I do subscribe to the theory that not only is Ron C involved, but most likely responsible for whatever it is that happened to Haleigh. I also subscribe to the belief the bed,door,cinder block and alleged abduction was all staged.JMO

Because a 17 year old is not sophisticated enough to stage a crime scene using a cinder block. She wouldn't have even of thought of it IMO. She wouldn't have needed it. If she was going to stage she would have done more. However a perpetrator would not have stopped to kick or move that cinder block out of the way.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Has LE has officially come out and said that Misty is POI?? Or do we just have a foxorlando reporter/writer who used this as a descriptive about Misty (although they should know better)? I may have missed something...

I have not seen any statements directly from LE only what I read on Fox. Now, why would they say such a thing if it were not true is the question, that is a hard statement to report? You are right, you would think they would know better than to report something false of this magnitude.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

Hands up if you were surprised by this result...anyone...anyone at all???

I am surprised. First I would like to say that I have tried to stay out of this one because KC is already enough to drive me nuts without dealing with Misty as well. I have always thought that Misty was not home. My question has always been "What was she wearing when Ron came home? PJs or Make up?" I see the experts on NG talk about how extraordinary the circumstances would have to be that someone just happened along the trailer and the kids when no one was home and thought that they just weren't looking at the bigger picture. I have always thought that she was not just not home that night but it was a regular thing and some SO in the trailer park knew when she did these things and then knew how to plan when to best strike.

Hearing that she failed with 95% deception the question of whether she knows where the baby is blows my theory out of the water. If she weren't home, she would still be able to answer that question with a sparkling crystal clean. Now I'm worried that she isn't alive anymore and she figures that Caylee was so far gone at 6 months that she was safe to have Tim look now.:furious:

 

[Capri]

Can someone save me reading 7 pages of posts and tell me why they are releasing this now? Instead of months ago? Am I missing something?

 

[Muffet]

Nedthan, I'm open to listening to minds more experienced than mine, and you may well be right. But a few things are troubling me about how you're supporting your deductions.

The biggest one is that you continue to put so much emphasis on Misty's not having a motive to kill Haleigh, as though that (even if known to be true) were support for your conclusion that she is being truthful.
This isn't a logical deduction, IMO, but a leap that skips over the strong possibilities that there was an accident, or that she is covering for someone who did have a motive to harm or take Haleigh.

Secondly, if the only thing we had was the LDT's, I too wouldn't put so much faith in them. But it isn't. e.g., the police say there was evidence at the scene that was inconsistent with her story, and even her husband said she never went to bed that night.

I'll stop there with non-LDT evidence, but I will add, with the utmost respect, that these things I've mentioned appear to be blind-spots for you, in this case. When combined with your post about your personal failure of a LDT, the comments about the Ramsey's money, and personally liking Misty, I wonder if possibly you're (albeit in honesty and good faith, and uncharacteristically for you) not seeing things as objectively this time...?

 

[Emeralgem]

Because a 17 year old is not sophisticated enough to stage a crime scene using a cinder block. She wouldn't have even of thought of it IMO. She wouldn't have needed it. If she was going to stage she would have done more. However a perpetrator would not have stopped to kick or move that cinder block out of the way.

Perhaps she may not have thought of the idea herself, but I highly suspect forces were called in and rallied round that night to HELP fabricate a story and stage the scene for the alleged abduction...JMOOTS

 

[debs]

Because a 17 year old is not sophisticated enough to stage a crime scene using a cinder block. She wouldn't have even of thought of it IMO. She wouldn't have needed it. If she was going to stage she would have done more. However a perpetrator would not have stopped to kick or move that cinder block out of the way.

And yet, from Misty's own mouth comes the information regarding her cousin having committed crimes before by "bricking the door" as she puts it in one of her early interviews. When staging a scene, one often doesn't quite need the props used for the staging; that's how LE can tell when something is staged. A perp wouldn't have used that door in the first place, given the open exposure to the neighbor's house, no cover, and having to make a mad dash to do any of the prep-work to get into the house. A real perp would have used the front door with the covered screen, taken out the porch light if it was on, and gotten into the house fairly easily and unseen.

But all this has been gone through. I'm sure if you search the threads, you'll find great debates on it.

 

[Jolynna]

Misty's motive could be as simple as a wet bed. Misty wouldn't be the first or last caretaker to lose it over bed wetting.

Another motive could be Haleigh seeing something Misty didn't want anyone to know about. Or maybe something "happened" to Haleigh accidentally and Misty didn't want Ron to blame her. Or maybe Misty wasn't in the mobile home when Haleigh disappeared?

I absolutely do not believe Misty told the truth during ANY of her tests. I think all FOUR of the polys were accurate. Different testers, same results. I think the stress test expert was accurate with his conclusions also.

Lots of reasons have been given for why Misty might lie. All of them make more sense than the polygraph giver made a mistake when he said Misty failed the test miserably. Every other conclusion also makes more sense than LE making a mistake when they said TM and TM's expert's opinion were in accord with their opinions and results.

jmo

 

[texasmommy39]

Really? DP, LWOP, and your boyfriend now husband, finding out you killed his daughter is a great motivator to be smart. Probably in ways she's never had to be before. She hasn't been smart or pulled anything on anyone. LE has had her number from the get go. All they lack is a body.

ETA: and Misty has cried, thrown temper tantrums and walked out, just like a typical 17 year old. Doesn't mean much to me. Except she's acting her age and has nothing to do with what she did. IMO of course.

If they had the evidence to support the theory Misty would of already been arrested. IMO

 

[TxLady2]

Can someone save me reading 7 pages of posts and tell me why they are releasing this now? Instead of months ago? Am I missing something?

Because these are tests that were done recently.... not the LDT's that LE did in the beginning. Is that what you are asking?
Tim Miller arranged the LDT and the voice analysis, at Misty's request, then she asked to be hypnotized as well. She failed the LDT miserably as well as the voice analysis. The hypnotism was not successful, they were not able to put her all the way under.

 

[TxLady2]

IMO, someone who fails a LDT that badly... cannot be innocent.
Misty knows more than she has told so far. She is covering for somebody. She may not be directly responsible for what happened, but she was involved.

 

[Capri]

Because these are tests that were done recently.... not the LDT's that LE did in the beginning. Is that what you are asking?
Tim Miller arranged the LDT and the voice analysis, at Misty's request, then she asked to be hypnotized as well. She failed the LDT miserably as well as the voice analysis. The hypnotism was not successful, they were not able to put her all the way under.

Thank you!

 

[TxLady2]

If you were around posting during the Ramsey, Runnion, VanDam, Smart, and Peterson case, you know i pinned them all, right down to a timeline for Westerfield. God that case sucked me in. Some vital hours of employment were lost then LOL.

Luckily for me the Anthony case has bored me to tears. Although one that should be carefully studied. I think the family magnetics is facinating. I just cannot stomach Cindy or George for that matter. I sorta like Misty. She's grown on me. Never liked the Ramsey's not for one minute. Dispised their attitude and distaste for LE. I couldn't understand people with their money wouldn't have done everything in their power to find out what happened to their daughter. IMO their guilt was apparent from the get go, right down to Patsy Ramsey wearing the same outfit the night before when police arrived. -ahhh but I am getting off topic. I learned from Lou Smit, who many of you here dispise that crime scenes are what they seem in most cases, unfortunately Lou factored in a stun gun theory that couldn't be proven, so for him, his crime scene has been obscured by the truth, that even so it wouldn't have proven there was an intruder, only that a stun gun could have been used in the crime. This case is much more simplier in the fact that there was NO elaborate cover-up, no bowls of fruit left out on the table, no duct tape, rope, ransom note, etc. This case speaks for itself. There was even less evidence in the van Dam case. No fingerprints of Westerfield's found in the home, no evidence of him being there at all. Yet Danielle's bed was empty the next morning. When an intruder enters a home to abduct or murder a child, they usually don't leave evidence, it's when things are added to a crime scene that the real murderer is trying to point to someone else. We don't have that in the Cummings case. Simplicity. Open door blocked, missing child.

Looks like you got the Ramseys wrong... LE cleared both John and Patsy a while back. Too bad Patsy didn't live long enough to see that.