Misty Failed Polygraph Test

[texasmommy39]

Please anyone tell me what the motive would be for Misty Croslin to have murdered Haleigh? And in addition to that motive, where or what did she do with the body?

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You are asking alot of good questions today! I wish they could be answered instead of debated.

 

[kamky]

We have done this in the past for the Ramsey case and I don't really feel like spending time searching on the web but there are other cases, many in fact that show suspects who were deceptive on lie detector tests who later proved to be innocent. It is not uncommon especially in a younger person to fail a lie detector test.

Also, there are some people who have, at an early age, learned to say and believe what they wish to be the truth instead of it necessarily being the truth. I would have to think that polygraph tests and voice analysis results for such a person would be unreliable or, at the least, inconsistent.
I am not talking about an occasional lier; I'm talking about someone for which lying has become so ingrained that they, themselves, can't/don't always distinguish it from what's true. IMO, someone like this wouldn't have the same physical reactions as a normal person.

I don't think the results of these tests are most significant part of these events. She apparently has failed previous LDT's, so this is more of the same. But 1) it brings renewed attention to this case, and 2) She talked a lot and some of her statements may be useful to LE in that they may reveal new angles for them to pursue. So, all in all, this may be a very good development.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

:bandhead: There are alot of things Misty should have done and did not. She should tell the truth and give up the perp.

Just curious, what sort of things should Misty have done? She put the kids to bed, went to sleep. Said she locked the door. I always find it amazing that people out there cannot grasp the notion that intruders really DO break-in to places and take children. We went through this in the van Dam case where posters were absoultely defiant about how Westerfield got into that house until i went over there myself and documented the whole event photos and all. Posters went as far out as making up ridiculous theories on how Danielle got into Westerfield's home and RV right down to having her mother Brenda sleeping in his bed with him that night. If it quacks like a duck then it's a duck. Usually crime scenes are what they seem. Little to NO evidence here in this case. Door blocked open for someone who went in with the intention of taking that child. Pedophile. Misty Croslin is not sophistocated enough to think of these things. Sorry not at 17. She is VERY clear about that door being open. The fact that she said she looked under the bed when the bed was on the floor is just linguistics. Teenager talk. And who knows if ALL the beds were on the floor? There is absoultely NO motive for Misty to have done anything to Haleigh. None at all

 

[stilettos]

My understanding of the political unrest within the PCSO could have a lot to do with the results to date on this case. IMVHO I have took that step back and have seen LE covering there inability to solve this crime. Tight lipped, or gramatic gymnastics LE has failed in narrowing this down to the truth because they where not lead or looked towards the truth from the begining and now 6 months later we are still at the same cross road. TM and MN gave us nothing with the release of their findings other than to allow more speculations than results. Are we looking for a live child or not? LE has suggested they had evidence to suggest she is alive and they have cleared the A/C man and RON (so conversation could of been verified) and Crystal (I do believe she was not the one that took HaLeigh because she was available for that phone call at 3:49 am.)
Misty is a key because LE has no clue (what!) and since Misty was asleep and has stated that consistantly; NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE WHO DID IT. No one has been able to find HaLeigh in 6 months!!!!! TM and MN have shown them selves to be no better than others or concerned with looking for HaLeigh!!! Why wait to look ,but have a press release 6 weeks in advance? Why share with the world something that we already know (Have been lead to believe) if it was of no help in searching for HaLeigh? How did that release of information allow the public to gain anything to be of some help other than the opportunity to slander Misty some more with no factual evidence. I have stated this before, it seems this case is already at trial and misty has already been convicted. The PCSO has to knows she did not harm HaLeigh and She did not stage that MH and she did not allow someone to come in and take HaLeigh, because she would be in jail. LE knows someone else not a stranger came into that home and took HaLeigh and so does the Cummings Family (the investigators and the innocent grief stricken family) now what everyone else believes has been guided by the rumor mill and media. (that report and write the news that sell a paper or to recieve traffic.) LE did not respond to this revelation that leads me to believe it is a potential lead to Misty's arrest but informitive and consistant with her inconsistancies. LOL The fact is this case was not properly handled from the begining and who is to blame could be many ,but, IMVHO Misty did not do it heck
Question: Do you know who took Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 42% deception
42% was the result of the deception of do you know who took HaLeigh,but the headlines and TM and T.J Ward is stateing she knows. And that makes sence?http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=144024&catid=3
Lie detector tests are not submissable for a reason and I would bet all of these other tool used to clear Misty are insubmissable as well. The facts are based on the evidence that was collected at the crime scene and family members, neighbors, friends and associates statements and alibis that have to be proven and to date no one has been arrested. Tips have been a mix of rumors and lies because very little has been revealed that would indicate that someone else outside of the investigated circle has come forward with a tip or information to find HaLeigh or identify a POI.

I will have to go find a link...unless someone has it handy...didn't NG say on the air that these tests were admissible when both parties agree to them? Not to debate the issue...I just remember hearing that. We can all talk both sides of the issue. To me it is apparent that Misty is lying, and protecting someone. Too many different stories about exactly the same moment in time and too many different people thrown under the bus. Pick one, Misty...just one story.

 

[kamky]

:banghead: is all I can say once again.

If Misty's brother did something to Haleigh, then why wouldn't she just tell LE that? She has no problem insinuating he may have done something.

Good question. At first I thought that she may have gone along with whatever he did, and didn't want Ron to find out that she was a willing participant. But since she brought it up in the LDT/voice analysis discussion, it's now out of the bag. It's certainly something that LE should dig into.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Also, there are some people who have, at an early age, learned to say and believe what they wish to be the truth instead of it necessarily being the truth. I would have to think that polygraph tests and voice analysis results for such a person would be unreliable or, at the least, inconsistent.
I am not talking about an occasional lier; I'm talking about someone for which lying has become so ingrained that they, themselves, can't/don't always distinguish it from what's true. IMO, someone like this wouldn't have the same physical reactions as a normal person.

I don't think the results of these tests are most significant part of these events. She apparently has failed previous LDT's, so this is more of the same. But 1) it brings renewed attention to this case, and 2) She talked a lot and some of her statements may be useful to LE in that they may reveal new angles for them to pursue. So, all in all, this may be a very good development.

100% agreed. Whatever it takes to keep the case alive. I am just afraid that Ron may not be educated enough to understand this. This polygrapher could have unwittengly put Misty in danger. Ron doesn't seem like the kind of guy that things about things before reacting. I think Misty needs a good lawyer.

 

[impatientredhead]

Just curious, what sort of things should Misty have done? She put the kids to bed, went to sleep. Said she locked the door. I always find it amazing that people out there cannot grasp the notion that intruders really DO break-in to places and take children. We went through this in the van Dam case where posters were absoultely defiant about how Westerfield got into that house until i went over there myself and documented the whole event photos and all. Posters went as far out as making up ridiculous theories on how Danielle got into Westerfield's home and RV right down to having her mother Brenda sleeping in his bed with him that night. If it quacks like a duck then it's a duck. Usually crime scenes are what they seem. Little to NO evidence here in this case. Door blocked open for someone who went in with the intention of taking that child. Pedophile. Misty Croslin is not sophistocated enough to think of these things. Sorry not at 17. She is VERY clear about that door being open. The fact that she said she looked under the bed when the bed was on the floor is just linguistics. Teenager talk. And who knows if ALL the beds were on the floor? There is absoultely NO motive for Misty to have done anything to Haleigh. None at all

This is absolutely not true.
There is no motive that makes sense to you.
Possibly because she has not been truthful about her activities leading up the disappearance.

I don't think she harmed Haleigh with her own hands but I do think she spent the weekend do things she doesn't want to admit to with people she doesn't want to implicate.

Self preservation is always a valid motive.

MOO

 

[stilettos]

Just curious, what sort of things should Misty have done? She put the kids to bed, went to sleep. Said she locked the door. I always find it amazing that people out there cannot grasp the notion that intruders really DO break-in to places and take children. We went through this in the van Dam case where posters were absoultely defiant about how Westerfield got into that house until i went over there myself and documented the whole event photos and all. Posters went as far out as making up ridiculous theories on how Danielle got into Westerfield's home and RV right down to having her mother Brenda sleeping in his bed with him that night. If it quacks like a duck then it's a duck. Usually crime scenes are what they seem. Little to NO evidence here in this case. Door blocked open for someone who went in with the intention of taking that child. Pedophile. Misty Croslin is not sophistocated enough to think of these things. Sorry not at 17. She is VERY clear about that door being open. The fact that she said she looked under the bed when the bed was on the floor is just linguistics. Teenager talk. And who knows if ALL the beds were on the floor? There is absoultely NO motive for Misty to have done anything to Haleigh. None at all

The bed was made according to RC. According to RC he believes that Misty did not go to sleep. I have personal experience with 10-26 year olds that have been abused. Their coping mechanisms can be quite similar to Misty's and you might be quite surprised at the sophistication of their manipulation and lies. The fact that she said she actually looked under the bed for HaLeigh is NOT linguistics, it is an outright lie or the bed was up off the floor. It's logistically impossible for HaLeigh to be hiding under a bed that is on the floor. Unless someone suffocated her under it.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Ned....we can all start jamming the thread with links surropting our belief's about the polygraph........but I don't want to kill it..........lol. There are tons of reports supporting both sides, can we just agree to that?

Actually I didn't come here to debate. I am usually right. Actually I haven't been wrong in a case yet that I know of. My gut instinct and years of exerience around LE tell me that Misty is telling the truth. The crime scene speaks for itself. Misty is not clever or experienced enough to have placed a cinder block (that no one had seen prior to this crime) to block open the door). Why would she have needed to have done that? Without transporation, where did Misty take this child? why? how?

The son is also a key he said he saw a man in black in the trailer home. The block in the door shows the intent to remove something from the home, not to cover a murder if Misty were the perpetrator. Doesn't add up that Misty is involved. But I had my say, we will see how it plays out......

 

[tehcloser]

Actually I didn't come here to debate. I am usually right. Actually I haven't been wrong in a case yet that I know of. My gut instinct and years of exerience around LE tell me that Misty is telling the truth. The crime scene speaks for itself. Misty is not clever or experienced enough to have placed a cinder block (that no one had seen prior to this crime) to block open the door). Why would she have needed to have done that? Without transporation, where did Misty take this child? why? how?

The son is also a key he said he saw a man in black in the trailer home. The block in the door shows the intent to remove something from the home, not to cover a murder if Misty were the perpetrator. Doesn't add up that Misty is involved. But I had my say, we will see how it plays out......

There's a first time fer' everything...............:crazy: It's always interesting to read your thoughts Ned........enjoyed seeing you today.

 

[kamky]

The bed was made according to RC. According to RC he believes that Misty did not go to sleep. I have personal experience with 10-26 year olds that have been abused. Their coping mechanisms can be quite similar to Misty's and you might be quite surprised at the sophistication of their manipulation and lies. The fact that she said she actually looked under the bed for HaLeigh is NOT linguistics, it is an outright lie or the bed was up off the floor. It's logistically impossible for HaLeigh to be hiding under a bed that is on the floor. Unless someone suffocated her under it.

I just want to point out that Haleigh's actual bed in her bedroom has legs on it. If there was a sheet or spread on it at the time, which we don't know, it could have hidden the area between the legs. We also haven't seen the bed in Jr's room. If it has a frame and there were any coverings under it at the time, then the underbed area could have provided a hiding place.
I'm not saying that this was the case nor am I offering an excuse for Misty. I just wanted to point out that we can't be 100% sure that her statement, in this case, is false.

 

[stilettos]

Actually I didn't come here to debate. I am usually right. Actually I haven't been wrong in a case yet that I know of. My gut instinct and years of exerience around LE tell me that Misty is telling the truth. The crime scene speaks for itself. Misty is not clever or experienced enough to have placed a cinder block (that no one had seen prior to this crime) to block open the door). Why would she have needed to have done that? Without transporation, where did Misty take this child? why? how?

The son is also a key he said he saw a man in black in the trailer home. The block in the door shows the intent to remove something from the home, not to cover a murder if Misty were the perpetrator. Doesn't add up that Misty is involved. But I had my say, we will see how it plays out......

But Ned...how do we actually know that was the crime scene? LE has said they do not even know what crime was committed. The whole thing could have been staged. I do not care whether I am right or wrong. I just want the truth, justice and HaLeigh found. We have not yet seen transcripts of JR's interview with LE. We do not know for sure that he actually said that.

 

[stilettos]

I just want to point out that Haleigh's actual bed in her bedroom has legs on it. If there was a sheet or spread on it at the time, which we don't know, it could have hidden the area between the legs. We also haven't seen the bed in Jr's room. If it has a frame and there were any coverings under it at the time, then the underbed area could have provided a hiding place.
I'm not saying that this was the case nor am I offering an excuse for Misty. I just wanted to point out that we can't be 100% sure that her statement, in this case, is false.

OK kamky, if the sheets/comforter/spread were on the beds in the children's rooms...I can see that. there are other things...but I tire, I have a headache. BBL.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Just a point of contention. Early on I pointed out the cousin that is until I found out about the brother. I always had the Air conditioner man on my radar as well, but NEVER Misty. When I saw Susan Smith crying on TV I hadn't known enough about the case to form an opinion, but felt her sobs were fake. The best way for LE to prove one way or another if Misty MIGHT be involved without evidence is to have a criminal profiler come in and do a profile on Misty considering her abusive past. This may help them eliminate her or zero in on some things in her past that could connect them to a killer. Maybe not. But it's something a little more reliable then a polygraph test. However I think the same sort of scruitney should be going on with her brother's cousin and AC man. I lean toward someone that was watching Haleigh play outside that day. Someone with sick fantasies who then went back to take the child. Again, all just my opinion. I felt the same way in the case of Jessica in Florida where many posters felt it was her grandfather. Immediately that case had pedophile written all over it, so does this one.

 

[kamky]

OK kamky, if the sheets/comforter/spread were on the beds in the children's rooms...I can see that. there are other things...but I tire, I have a headache. BBL.

I hear you! This case is so crazy that it can make a headache 1000X worse. I hope it feels better soon - headaches are the worst!

 

[Nedthan Johns]

But Ned...how do we actually know that was the crime scene? LE has said they do not even know what crime was committed. The whole thing could have been staged. I do not care whether I am right or wrong. I just want the truth, justice and HaLeigh found. We have not yet seen transcripts of JR's interview with LE. We do not know for sure that he actually said that.

Well certainly most likely the child was not murdered there. Let's hope she wasn't murdered at all. But I am saying that Misty is not sophistocated enough to think about putting a cinder block to prop open the door. That block is evidence that someone brought it with them IMO unless you susbscribe to the theory that Ron is involved as well.

 

[stilettos]

Well certainly most likely the child was not murdered there. Let's hope she wasn't murdered at all. But I am saying that Misty is not sophistocated enough to think about putting a cinder block to prop open the door. That block is evidence that someone brought it with them IMO unless you susbscribe to the theory that Ron is involved as well.

LOL, Ned..you know that I do. I also think that any 17 year old who smokes and does not have a key to the house is quite sophisticated enough to prop a door to get back in...IIRC they said they never smoked in the house. Which could be a lie too, just saying. We are dealing with RC who has a longrap sheet and someone who lived with him. I think they have both been exposed to enough to be much more wily than most give credit for....even a moderately intelligent 17 year old.

 

[kamky]

~SNIP~ However I think the same sort of scruitney should be going on with her brother's cousin and AC man. I lean toward someone that was watching Haleigh play outside that day. Someone with sick fantasies who then went back to take the child. Again, all just my opinion. I felt the same way in the case of Jessica in Florida where many posters felt it was her grandfather. Immediately that case had pedophile written all over it, so does this one.

Misty's LDT and voice analysis results, and her additional chatter may give LE ideas on new angles to look at or to focus on. Her comments about sexual abuse by family persons (which may or may not be true) may be helpful. Suppose there was something going on between a family member(s) and Misty, could it possibly have expanded to affect Haleigh? Was this behind the rumors that she was recently "acting up"? Could a family relation have had designs on this child or knew someone else that did? Could a family member suspected she was in danger and decided to "protect" her? All kinds of things for LE to chase down that may have not been highlighted until now.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

There's a first time fer' everything...............:crazy: It's always interesting to read your thoughts Ned........enjoyed seeing you today.

If you were around posting during the Ramsey, Runnion, VanDam, Smart, and Peterson case, you know i pinned them all, right down to a timeline for Westerfield. God that case sucked me in. Some vital hours of employment were lost then LOL.

Luckily for me the Anthony case has bored me to tears. Although one that should be carefully studied. I think the family magnetics is facinating. I just cannot stomach Cindy or George for that matter. I sorta like Misty. She's grown on me. Never liked the Ramsey's not for one minute. Dispised their attitude and distaste for LE. I couldn't understand people with their money wouldn't have done everything in their power to find out what happened to their daughter. IMO their guilt was apparent from the get go, right down to Patsy Ramsey wearing the same outfit the night before when police arrived. -ahhh but I am getting off topic. I learned from Lou Smit, who many of you here dispise that crime scenes are what they seem in most cases, unfortunately Lou factored in a stun gun theory that couldn't be proven, so for him, his crime scene has been obscured by the truth, that even so it wouldn't have proven there was an intruder, only that a stun gun could have been used in the crime. This case is much more simplier in the fact that there was NO elaborate cover-up, no bowls of fruit left out on the table, no duct tape, rope, ransom note, etc. This case speaks for itself. There was even less evidence in the van Dam case. No fingerprints of Westerfield's found in the home, no evidence of him being there at all. Yet Danielle's bed was empty the next morning. When an intruder enters a home to abduct or murder a child, they usually don't leave evidence, it's when things are added to a crime scene that the real murderer is trying to point to someone else. We don't have that in the Cummings case. Simplicity. Open door blocked, missing child.

 

[texasmommy39]

I will have to go find a link...unless someone has it handy...didn't NG say on the air that these tests were admissible when both parties agree to them? Not to debate the issue...I just remember hearing that. We can all talk both sides of the issue. To me it is apparent that Misty is lying, and protecting someone. Too many different stories about exactly the same moment in time and too many different people thrown under the bus. Pick one, Misty...just one story.

I know I know you believe the way you do and thats fine with me it still is an opinion and mine is she didn't.
I still must not get what everyone seems to see as "inconsistancies"; she has stated the same thing over and over. The questions have been worded differently I am sure, but, she still states she was visited by her brother and nephews, the A/C man stopped by she fed the children, put movies on for them washed blanket and put kids to bed at 8 and went to bed at 10:30 and woke after 3:00 am and noticed the kitchen light was on and then the backdoor ajar and screen door propped and then returned to the room to find HaLeigh gone.
What inconsistancies are you speaking of?
What movies where played and what was found in the dvd player?
What bed did HaLeigh eventually sleep in that night?
What actually woke Misty?
When did Misty wake?
What HaLeigh was wearing that night?
I find all of these questions have to be in a way a double edged sword for Misty because she may not know all of the answers that supported the evidence found. Haleigh could of put in another movie. HaLeigh could of been in the master bed at one time and was moved or she went to the toddler mattress on the floor. Ron stated it was unusual for Misty to be awake when he got home. Is it possible Misty doesn't really know what woke her? IMHO the fact that she was awoken at that particular time could be a vital indication of time frame in which the crime was commited.
The fact that Misty did identify HaLeighs night shirt after being allowed back into the home indicates to me she did know what HaLeigh to bed. Why would she tell LE about a shirt she knew she would find in the dirty clothes that she stated she put on HaLeigh that night? Is it possible that it was removed by HaLeigh or someone else before HaLeigh was removed from the MH (near the back door and placed in the pile of laundry on the floor.)
Funny Jr. statements have not been mentioned to confirm or discredit the things that he would be able to confirm about Misty's inconsistancies. about the events that took place while he was awake and what was going on when he woke.