Misty gets 25 years - Are you happy with the St. John's verdict? ***POLL***

[cluciano63]

The law seems harsh, I just saw a special called "Meth in the City" and a major meth distributor was complaining because he was sentenced to 10 years. He supplied a large portion of the Atlanta area with meth.

I guess I don't understand why the laws vary so much from state to state. I think meth is the worst of the worst, as far as drugs go, what it does to the user, what happens to the families and children of users, the crimes they commit to get the drug, etc.

Of course Misty needs to serve time. I just think 25 years is too much, when you see violent sex offenders (John Gardner) serving 5-6 years for attacking a young girl.

 

[Crosby87]

Mixed feelings here but I'll explain if I can.

Maybe I need a beer first hahaha

I was kinda feeling somewhat going wow 25 yrs and ouch $500,000 fine. Not what I really expected but I also thought the sentence would reflect her cooperation and thought nope, she's not cooperating.
I'm one who thinks Misty has had several chances to come clean about Haleigh and what happened and it's just been one lie atop another.

So early this morning I listened to the Levi-JVM show with Chelsa and Chelsa made the statement that when she talked last to Misty on the phone she asked about Ronald or was he involved and Misty told Chelsa I can't talk about it now.

Well I think the same question has bee asked and answered the same way. I've come to the conclusion Misty won't or hasn't talked about it.

So I'm not feeling real sympathetic for her because I think she's withholding info.

Now with her future sentencing upcoming, I hope Fields is working a deal real hard with the SA for Misty's truthful testimony, verified by poly. Otherwise she may have a beard by the time she gets out of prison. I think after awhile Fields could ask for an reduction of sentence. I think Misty's future is in her own hands now.

Yes I know this was sentencing for a drug charge and not a homicide but I think it's all geared to making Misty talk and depending on the details, the law can sort it out later.

Misty could have possibly cut her losses significantly if she had taken her case to trial. When you are handed a choice, it is better to have a panel of at least three people make a decision rather than one. Apparently Misty's attorney doesn't know this or he does and chose to ignore it; so in reality the odds were stacked against Misty at her sentencing hearing when she appeared before a Judge.

Misty and Junior were both in the bedroom when Junior saw a man dressed in black take HaLeigh, yet Misty and Junior are the ones LE don't believe. Junior knows if Misty was sleeping when HaLeigh was taken and this is the information Misty needs to get out there in order to defend herself and get LE and all the other skeptics off her back. But instead, Misty took the focus off herself and began defending herself against abuse allegations saying 'ask Junior he'll tell you I was very good to them kids'. Misty made the mistake of fighting Ron's battle rather then her own and she went looking to Ron for answers which messed her up. That is definitely a 'no no' in the game of life if one hopes to win and survive.

MC has no say in whether NG or JVM play her conversations with family on TV so that's why she is refusing to talk. NG is on Ron’s side so who can blame Misty for saying no.

Ron lied to Misty and his mother about his involvement in his daughter's disappearance. Ron foresaw the possibility Misty wouldn't lie for him down the road if he shared knowledge of the crime he committed against HaLeigh with her and therefore he prevented her from knowing anything. Only Junior has information and Ron silenced him and unfortunately what Junior knows isn't enough but it is helpful.

Ron knows where HaLeigh is and he must feel quite empowered knowing he alone has information everybody else is desperate for. TN said she was proud of her son because he got Misty locked away but if she only knew.

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KIM PICAZIO: And Levi at one point he was crying on Nancy Grace, and then he had all the guys leave the HaLeighBug Centre that were going to go pick him up to go mud bogging, and so he got off the Nancy Grace Show with his mother crying about his missing child, and within seconds after that show ended, he is going right by us giving all of us the finger, hooting and hollering going mud bogging. This guy, it was weird, he almost was empowered, it was this cocky, I&#8217;ve got a secret, I&#8217;ve got control of these people, he was empowered after this, it was really quite sick, and we had very heavy surveillance on him, his friends, it was really very disturbing to everyone.

TJ Ward who conducted one of Misty's LVA tests said along time ago he would analyze Ron Cumming's interviews and didn't need permission to do so but still no word on whether he did.

Please HaLeigh give us a sign telling us where you are.

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[my_tee_mouse]

We must remember that a drug dealer's crimes affect many people and many lives...many innocent people and many innocent lives. That makes it an incredibly serious crime in my book. I think more states should up their penalties rather than Florida lower theirs.

 

[Lanie]

The law seems harsh, I just saw a special called "Meth in the City" and a major meth distributor was complaining because he was sentenced to 10 years. He supplied a large portion of the Atlanta area with meth.

I guess I don't understand why the laws vary so much from state to state. I think meth is the worst of the worst, as far as drugs go, what it does to the user, what happens to the families and children of users, the crimes they commit to get the drug, etc.

Of course Misty needs to serve time. I just think 25 years is too much, when you see violent sex offenders (John Gardner) serving 5-6 years for attacking a young girl.

Here where I live, we had a county prosecutor that was always pushing for the max in drug sentencing. I can remember reading many times about drug dealers in this county getting 99 year sentences.

Regarding the BBM, and I know you're not saying the 5-6 years is good enough for violent sex offenders, IMO, this is something that people need to get loud and vocal about. If some small-time, penny-ante teenage drug dealer rates a 25 year sentence, then these violent sex offenders need to be getting at least 35 to 50 years.

 

[dodie20]

The law seems harsh, I just saw a special called "Meth in the City" and a major meth distributor was complaining because he was sentenced to 10 years. He supplied a large portion of the Atlanta area with meth.

I guess I don't understand why the laws vary so much from state to state. I think meth is the worst of the worst, as far as drugs go, what it does to the user, what happens to the families and children of users, the crimes they commit to get the drug, etc.

Of course Misty needs to serve time. I just think 25 years is too much, when you see violent sex offenders (John Gardner) serving 5-6 years for attacking a young girl.

& when you factor in that meth labs BLOW UP, (bomb charge?), & kill people, I don't get it either. At least government regulated pills are relatively safe, compared to homemade drugs that call for things like paint thinner & propane. & speaking of regulation...Misty was called a mid level dealer. I don't agree. Because if she was mid level, then where is the arrest of her superior? the high level dealer? He should've been easy to get, since they were all flitting from here to there, to find pills. Mid level dealers, from what I've seen, have lots of drugs, that they mete out in bulk, to their 'employees', to sell for them, who in turn, mete it out in smaller portions. Misty wasn't doing this.

 

[Peliman]

Misty could have possibly cut her losses significantly if she had taken her case to trial. When you are handed a choice, it is better to have a panel of at least three people make a decision rather than one. Apparently Misty's attorney doesn't know this or he does and chose to ignore it; so in reality the odds were stacked against Misty at her sentencing hearing when she appeared before a Judge.

I don't disagree but it is what it is, she plead no-contest and apparently LE doesn't believe she's being truthful. Wasn't it Misty who told LE she saw JO put Haleigh in a suit case, then just recently recanted and said Tommy did it.

Misty and Junior were both in the bedroom when Junior saw a man dressed in black take HaLeigh, yet Misty and Junior are the ones LE don't believe. Junior knows if Misty was sleeping when HaLeigh was taken and this is the information Misty needs to get out there in order to defend herself and get LE and all the other skeptics off her back. But instead, Misty took the focus off herself and began defending herself against abuse allegations saying 'ask Junior he'll tell you I was very good to them kids'. Misty made the mistake of fighting Ron's battle rather then her own and she went looking to Ron for answers which messed her up. That is definitely a 'no no' in the game of life if one hopes to win and survive.

I don't think LE has said they don't believe Junior, they just don't believe Misty's version yet, she's had many.

MC has no say in whether NG or JVM play her conversations with family on TV so that's why she is refusing to talk. NG is on Ron’s side so who can blame Misty for saying no.

It was the JVM show, not NG and Chelsea spoke about the conversation she had, we didn't hear the recording. Several phone calls we never heard including Ron's

Ron lied to Misty and his mother about his involvement in his daughter's disappearance. Ron foresaw the possibility Misty wouldn't lie for him down the road if he shared knowledge of the crime he committed against HaLeigh with her and therefore he prevented her from knowing anything. Only Junior has information and Ron silenced him and unfortunately what Junior knows isn't enough but it is helpful.

Actually I totally agree and don't think this case is over, there is no statute of limitations concerning Haleigh.

Ron knows where HaLeigh is and he must feel quite empowered knowing he alone has information everybody else is desperate for. TN said she was proud of her son because he got Misty locked away but if she only knew.

I'm still waiting to find out if TN and GGMS have taken a poly and the results. I don't buy the I'm the Grandmother so you best believe me routine, not in this case.

Ron Ron, you bring up Ron. The truth of what happened to Haleigh is not known yet. Yes I believe Ron is somehow involved.

 

[kant]

LE is putting pressure on all involved via the drug case. The judge did not pull the sentence from thin air. The time sentenced fell within the sentencing guidelines for the crimes committed. Was it on the harsher end of the scale? Yes. Could the judge had sympathy and gone lighter? Yes.

Bottom line, the judge did not just arbitrarily or through some malice towards Misty over Haleigh pull this number out of butt. The sentence was a possible consequence for any person caught doing that crime. To imply the judge was out of line is well . . . out of line IMOO

bbm

I think what folks were referring to was the possible reason for opting for the, "harsher end of the scale" - or the possible reason for opting for the harsher end of the scale for one case compared to seemingly similar cases. (I say seemingly bc i dont know the exact details in full.)

Maybe some of the attorneys/legal eagles here can elaborate, but when there is a range of options for a sentence, one being a, "harsher end of the scale," on what factors do judges base the decision and how much weight is a particular factor to be given, if any. I think people were addressing and questioning a fairness ac ross the board type of issue. Again, I cant quote the charges verbatim, but 25 years vs 15 is a very significant difference.

What are the considerations for one person doing 40% more time than another? Did Misty and Ron have the same judge? And even if people do not have the same judge, the question is, as far as lighter end vs harsher end of an applicable sentence, are there parameters that judges must follow? If so I wonder what they are. Or is it the luck of the draw on who one gets for a judge? yikes.

 

[krkrjx]

bbm

I think what folks were referring to was the possible reason for opting for the, "harsher end of the scale" - or the possible reason for opting for the harsher end of the scale for one case compared to seemingly similar cases. (I say seemingly bc i dont know the exact details in full.)

Maybe some of the attorneys/legal eagles here can elaborate, but when there is a range of options for a sentence, one being a, "harsher end of the scale," on what factors do judges base the decision and how much weight is a particular factor to be given, if any. I think people were addressing and questioning a fairness ac ross the board type of issue. Again, I cant quote the charges verbatim, but 25 years vs 15 is a very significant difference.

What are the considerations for one person doing 40% more time than another? Did Misty and Ron have the same judge? And even if people do not have the same judge, the question is, as far as lighter end vs harsher end of an applicable sentence, are there parameters that judges must follow? If so I wonder what they are. Or is it the luck of the draw on who one gets for a judge? yikes.

BBM:

Not only did Misty and Ron not have the same judge, they didn't even have the same charge.

Ron was sentenced in Putnam and his minimum mandatory was 15 years. He got that minimum sentence.

Misty in St. Johns had a charge with a minimum mandatory of 25 years. She got that minimum sentence.

It seems, according to the judge, that the only discretion she [the judge] had in Misty's sentencing was: Mandatory minimum of 25 years, or YO status with a maximum of 6 years. The judge made a statement to the effect of not wanting to allow YO status for Misty because she [the judge] had no discretion for a sentence longer than 6 years, and she believes 6 years is not enough time for Misty to serve.

The thing that stands out most to me is that the judge's options were either 6 years or 25 years for Misty; there was no option to sentence Misty more than 6 but less than 25. She could not by the laws in Florida, have been given only 15 years. I believe if the law allowed it, the judge would have opted for YO status for Misty for more than 6 years, but less than 25 years.

 

[kant]

BBM:

Not only did Misty and Ron not have the same judge, they didn't even have the same charge.

Ron was sentenced in Putnam and his minimum mandatory was 15 years. He got that minimum sentence.

Misty in St. Johns had a charge with a minimum mandatory of 25 years. She got that minimum sentence.

It seems, according to the judge, that the only discretion she [the judge] had in Misty's sentencing was: Mandatory minimum of 25 years, or YO status with a maximum of 6 years. The judge made a statement to the effect of not wanting to allow YO status for Misty because she [the judge] had no discretion for a sentence longer than 6 years, and she believes 6 years is not enough time for Misty to serve.

The thing that stands out most to me is that the judge's options were either 6 years or 25 years for Misty; there was no option to sentence Misty to 15 years. I believe if the law allowed it, the judge would have opted for YO status for Misty for more than 6 years, but less than 25 years.

Thank you for that.

It almost makes you wonder why folks who want to enter into drug deals like this dont do a bit of county/ minimum sentencing homework. Yeah, I know how that sounds. so nevermind

hugs

 

[Dr. Know?]

It would interesting to read Misty's scoresheet. Heck, all of their scoresheets would. They are public record, I believe.

http://www.floridabar.org/DIVCOM/JN...690f5826284b3b748525760b004729aa?OpenDocument

 

[bessie]

When considering whether or not Misty has received fair treatment, one has to consider:

What has Misty done?

• Willfully engaged in eight illegal drug transactions over the course of a month
• Concealed her knowledge of the circumstances surrounding Haleigh's death
• Not only concealed her knowledge but lied repeatedly about the circumstances
• Accused an innocent man, her cousin Joe Overstreet, of raping and murdering Haleigh
• Cost the state of Florida hundreds of thousands of dollars in manpower hours and other expenses incurred in the process of chasing her lies
• Caused valuable time to be wasted in the investigation
• Cost Tim Miller and TES thousands of dollars incurred for the same reason, i.e., the lie detector/LVA/hypnosis tests, the wild goose chase to find "the rose"
• Caused injury to other parties who spent time and money assisting in the effort to find Haleigh
• Exacerbated Crystal's grief and agony with her lies, i.e., the dock search
• Brought pain and anguish to her family, including her young nieces and nephews
• And, possibly, even prolonged the agony for the Cummings

Secondly, what has Misty done to make amends?

• Nothing

And finally, what has Misty done to help herself?

• Again, nothing

Granted, her background has left her with an impaired ability to make sound moral judgments, but the same could be said for a vast majority of criminals. Further, in our society, emotional instability and lack of education are not excuses for criminal behavior. I heard a heartwrenching story yesterday about a young, mentally challenged inmate at Orleans Parish Prison who, after sentencing told an OPP staff member that he "thought" he got five years. As it turns out, he was sentenced to 65 years but didn't comprehend what took place in court. Sadly, his story is not all that uncommon, and Misty is not at the low end of the spectrum in terms of learning disability and faulty upbringing.

Having said that, would I like to see Misty obtain counseling and rehabilitation? Most definitely. I wish that for all young offenders. But rehabilitation requires effort on both sides. It can only occur if the one who needs it has a desire to attain it, and the first step is always acknowledging one's own wrongdoing. Misty has yet to take that step.

That, imo, is what the judge considered when she passed the sentence, and personally, I can't find fault with her decision. If Misty's parents didn't teach her that actions receive consequences, society is left to do the job for them.

 

[tiredofthis]

The law seems harsh, I just saw a special called "Meth in the City" and a major meth distributor was complaining because he was sentenced to 10 years. He supplied a large portion of the Atlanta area with meth.

I guess I don't understand why the laws vary so much from state to state. I think meth is the worst of the worst, as far as drugs go, what it does to the user, what happens to the families and children of users, the crimes they commit to get the drug, etc.

Of course Misty needs to serve time. I just think 25 years is too much, when you see violent sex offenders (John Gardner) serving 5-6 years for attacking a young girl.

My nephew went to prison for selling meth and only served two years of a seven year sentence. The laws must vary a lot from state to state because a seven year sentence is a far cry from 25.

I also have to add that my nephew was a repeat offender.

 

[pufnstuf]

My opinion is that she shouldn't have received such a severe sentence, that she should have received the same sentence as Ron.

I feel sorry for this child. She's had no chance in life. Look at her parents. They let her quit school and shack up with Ron. She's seen nothing but substance abuse in all of the people who surround her. Her role model is a 40-something-year-old woman who looks 80 because of her drug abuse. Her parents treated her as a peer instead of as their child. The way they talked to her on the recorded videos and stuff--sickening.

She never had a chance. And this girl who had no role models, no idea what normalcy is, was handed the responsibility of caring for two young children. Regardless of who is responsible for Haleigh's death, the fact that Ron's clan thought this girl fit to care for the children, in my opinion, makes them guilty of recklessness that resulted in Haleigh's death.

Whole situation is disgusting.

 

[dodie20]

When considering whether or not Misty has received fair treatment, one has to consider:

What has Misty done?

• Willfully engaged in eight illegal drug transactions over the course of a month
• Concealed her knowledge of the circumstances surrounding Haleigh's death
• Not only concealed her knowledge but lied repeatedly about the circumstances
• Accused an innocent man, her cousin Joe Overstreet, of raping and murdering Haleigh
• Cost the state of Florida hundreds of thousands of dollars in manpower hours and other expenses incurred in the process of chasing her lies
• Caused valuable time to be wasted in the investigation
• Cost Tim Miller and TES thousands of dollars incurred for the same reason, i.e., the lie detector/LVA/hypnosis tests, the wild goose chase to find "the rose"
• Caused injury to other parties who spent time and money assisting in the effort to find Haleigh
• Exacerbated Crystal's grief and agony with her lies, i.e., the dock search
• Brought pain and anguish to her family, including her young nieces and nephews
• And, possibly, even prolonged the agony for the Cummings

Secondly, what has Misty done to make amends?

• Nothing

And finally, what has Misty done to help herself?

• Again, nothing

Granted, her background has left her without an impaired ability to make sound moral judgments, but the same could be said for a vast majority of criminals. Further, in our society, emotional instability and lack of education are not excuses for criminal behavior. I heard a heartwrenching story yesterday about a young, mentally challenged inmate at Orleans Parish Prison who, after sentencing told an OPP staff member that he "thought" he got five years. As it turns out, he was sentenced to 65 years but didn't comprehend what took place in court. Sadly, his story is not all that uncommon, and Misty is not at the low end of the spectrum in terms of learning disability and faulty upbringing.

Having said that, would I like to see Misty obtain counseling and rehabilitation? Most definitely. I wish that for all young offenders. But rehabilitation requires effort on both sides. It can only occur if the one who needs it has a desire to attain it, and the first step is always acknowledging one's own wrongdoing. Misty has yet to take that step.

That, imo, is what the judge considered when she passed the sentence, and personally, I can't find fault with her decision. If Misty's parents didn't teach her that actions receive consequences, society is left to do the job for them.

all true, but here's where I have a problem. Ron. The judge didn't ask him if he loved his drug sale money, & he wasn't chastized for dealing during the Haleigh investigation. & the only thing he's done to help himself, is talk. finally. & if somebody else's pain is alleviated because of the fallout, then so be it, but I doubt that was his motive. He didn't say whatever it was he had to say, until he got his deal, so I believe he played a big part in prolonging Crystal's & everybody else's agony. Evidently, him admitting to that gun fight was a big deal, or he would've admitted to it a long time ago. & who knows, maybe that information would've been enough to void that last search. & when it's all said & done, Ron was Haleigh's father. & I don't care what any of them said about those kids loving Misty or her loving them, or how much Haleigh wanted Misty to be her mother, she was just the babysitter. Misty was there because Ron wanted her there. & if it turns out that she killed Haleigh, there is no way I'll ever believe that Ron didn't actively cover for her. & IMO, that's been just as detrimental to this case being solved, as Misty covering for herself. probably more, because Misty alone, couldn't have pulled this off. MOO.

 

[1Chump]

FWIW, Donna was not sentenced on the same charge as Misty. Donna pled to a lesser charge.

The judge said she could not consider YO for Misty because it has a maximum of six years and she felt that was not enough. I have to agree six years for Misty is not enough. But 25 is outrageous!

Since Misty already has a 25-year sentence, what purpose will be served by adding more time in Putnam County court later this month? Whether this all came about as LE strategy to squeeze Misty or is only to punish her, I believe 25 years she now faces is more than enough to accomplish both.

I vote for sentencing Misty to the absolute minimum allowable by law on her Putnam charges, and have it run concurrent with her sentence from St. Johns.

Donna may have been sentenced on a lessor charge but it was the same crime. 155 oxycodone.

IMO, Donna had more responsibility. Donna is old enough to be Misty's Mother. Donna does not seem to have a lifelong drug history. Donna is the one who obtained a prescription for 155 oxycodone.

I feel differently about Misty being sentenced as a YO. For me, it isn't about the 6 years as much as everything that Youthful Offender Program has to offer.

"F.S. 958 requires that enhanced program services be provided to youthful offender inmates. In response, the Extended Day Program was developed. This is a 16-hour daytime program at youthful offender institutions that is designed to provide at least 12 hours of activities. The program is structured to include work assignments, education (vocational and academic) programs, counseling, behavior modification, military style drills, systematic discipline and other programmatic opportunities that will reduce inmate idleness and enhance the young inmate's chance at becoming a law abiding citizen upon re-entry into the community. "

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/youthful/

Misty didn't just fall throught the cracks, she was buried under a pile a rubble. Most kids who have parents like Misty's have school to help see there is a different life possible. But even the schools did not miss Misty.

IMO, the Youthful Offender Program was created for kids like Misty. I know that with the other charges, it doesn't really matter. But I just cannot see how locking her up for 25 years after the life she has had will do anything other than reinforce the message she was given her entire life. She doesn't matter and will never result to anything.

 

[krkrjx]

When considering whether or not Misty has received fair treatment, one has to consider:

What has Misty done?

• Willfully engaged in eight illegal drug transactions over the course of a month
• Concealed her knowledge of the circumstances surrounding Haleigh's death
• Not only concealed her knowledge but lied repeatedly about the circumstances
• Accused an innocent man, her cousin Joe Overstreet, of raping and murdering Haleigh
• Cost the state of Florida hundreds of thousands of dollars in manpower hours and other expenses incurred in the process of chasing her lies
• Caused valuable time to be wasted in the investigation
• Cost Tim Miller and TES thousands of dollars incurred for the same reason, i.e., the lie detector/LVA/hypnosis tests, the wild goose chase to find "the rose"
• Caused injury to other parties who spent time and money assisting in the effort to find Haleigh
• Exacerbated Crystal's grief and agony with her lies, i.e., the dock search
• Brought pain and anguish to her family, including her young nieces and nephews
• And, possibly, even prolonged the agony for the Cummings

Secondly, what has Misty done to make amends?

• Nothing

And finally, what has Misty done to help herself?

• Again, nothing

Granted, her background has left her without an impaired ability to make sound moral judgments, but the same could be said for a vast majority of criminals. Further, in our society, emotional instability and lack of education are not excuses for criminal behavior. I heard a heartwrenching story yesterday about a young, mentally challenged inmate at Orleans Parish Prison who, after sentencing told an OPP staff member that he "thought" he got five years. As it turns out, he was sentenced to 65 years but didn't comprehend what took place in court. Sadly, his story is not all that uncommon, and Misty is not at the low end of the spectrum in terms of learning disability and faulty upbringing.

Having said that, would I like to see Misty obtain counseling and rehabilitation? Most definitely. I wish that for all young offenders. But rehabilitation requires effort on both sides. It can only occur if the one who needs it has a desire to attain it, and the first step is always acknowledging one's own wrongdoing. Misty has yet to take that step.

That, imo, is what the judge considered when she passed the sentence, and personally, I can't find fault with her decision. If Misty's parents didn't teach her that actions receive consequences, society is left to do the job for them.

I signed on just for the purpose of saying THANKS to your post, bessie.

While I think 25 years for Misty is overkill, I am glad she did not get YO and the paltry six years that would have allowed. I am not unhappy that Misty will be off the streets for a good long while.

People like Misty do whatever they want and then whine when they get caught. If Misty had not been brought down, she would go through her whole life not accepting any responsibility for her actions. She would just play the "pity me because of my childhood" card over and over again. And worse, she would have had kids, and they would likely have grown up doing what they saw their mother doing.

When I was younger I had a similar attitude to Misty's. I grew up in the foster care system and had to fight just to survive. I graduated from high school at 17 and immediately removed myself from the state's care. Still, I was in the world alone, with no parents to talk to and siblings who had their own problems. I made some very poor choices for much the same reasons Misty did. And each time, I played the "poor me" card.

But, there comes a time in life when we have to be held accountable and we have to own our mistakes. Misty has not done that. And regardless of how she was brought up or how scared she is, or how persecuted she might feel, nothing excuses not coming forward to assist in an investigation for a missing child, and going as far as to accuse an innocent person of a violent rape and murder of a child is just unforgivable in my book.

I can understand how Misty grew into what she is, but I cannot excuse her lies, her whining, and her ongoing defiance. Misty cried real tears when she was arrested and again when she was sentenced. But those tears were for herself. Did she ever cry such tears for Haleigh? I doubt it.

 

[Crosby87]

I don't disagree but it is what it is, she plead no-contest and apparently LE doesn't believe she's being truthful. Wasn't it Misty who told LE she saw JO put Haleigh in a suit case, then just recently recanted and said Tommy did it.



I don't think LE has said they don't believe Junior, they just don't believe Misty's version yet, she's had many.



It was the JVM show, not NG and Chelsea spoke about the conversation she had, we didn't hear the recording. Several phone calls we never heard including Ron's



Actually I totally agree and don't think this case is over, there is no statute of limitations concerning Haleigh.



I'm still waiting to find out if TN and GGMS have taken a poly and the results. I don't buy the I'm the Grandmother so you best believe me routine, not in this case.

Ron Ron, you bring up Ron. The truth of what happened to Haleigh is not known yet. Yes I believe Ron is somehow involved.

According to Chelsea, Ron left for work at 2:40 pm when he worked the evening shift but on Monday he pushed back his start time by at least one hour because HaLeigh&#8217;s bus arrived at approximately 3:40 pm.. That raises a red flag for me. Ron did not show up for work 45 minutes early that day like Terry Shoemaker alleged he did, in fact he did the exact opposite. If Ron worked overtime alone in the yard, that gives him ample time to commit this crime. What was Ron's reason for going to work late that particular day? So he could be alone in the yard after his coworkers left? I say yes.

After his coworkers left Ron had an opportunity to disappear for awhile and not get caught which raises another red flag for me. The fact his coworkers saw him in the cafeteria earlier that night is meaningless. What matters is he would have been alone in the yard by himself after his coworkers left.

You have to step inside Ron's head and examine everything he said and did to understand his involvement in his daughter's disappearance and it is a very difficult and arduous task. It's comparable to separating the wheat from the chaff; his lies from the truth. Unless Ron confesses or someone finds HaLeigh, his intends to take his secret to the grave with him. The stunt he pulled in front of TM saying he would kill himself and take Junior with him is a cover-up for what he did to HaLeigh IMO. Ron intentionally twisted the truth on every detail to make himself appear innocent.

Ron did not tell anyone what he did so there is no point giving TN and AS a polygraph.

Is it not true Junior knows if Misty was sleeping when HaLeigh was taken? Has this fact ever been acknowledged?

Very few people have the knowledge and experience required to make sound decisions on legal matters especially a person like Misty. I know from personal experience a panel is the right choice.

There is no statute of limitations concerning murder. We don't know Haleigh is dead only that she disappeared and the person who took her hasn't confessed.

Thank you for sharing your insights.

 

[bessie]

My opinion is that she shouldn't have received such a severe sentence, that she should have received the same sentence as Ron.

I feel sorry for this child. She's had no chance in life. Look at her parents. They let her quit school and shack up with Ron. She's seen nothing but substance abuse in all of the people who surround her. Her role model is a 40-something-year-old woman who looks 80 because of her drug abuse. Her parents treated her as a peer instead of as their child. The way they talked to her on the recorded videos and stuff--sickening.

She never had a chance. And this girl who had no role models, no idea what normalcy is, was handed the responsibility of caring for two young children. Regardless of who is responsible for Haleigh's death, the fact that Ron's clan thought this girl fit to care for the children, in my opinion, makes them guilty of recklessness that resulted in Haleigh's death.

Whole situation is disgusting.

Do you mean that she and Ron deserve exactly the same sentence, or that Misty should've have received 15 years. I'm not just addressing you, Puf, I'm questioning the way it's stated in the poll. There's an important distinction, and I'm curious what members actually mean when they vote for that selection.

Ron was facing 25 years, but the most severe charges were dropped because he agreed to cooperate with the state. We don't know if the same offer was made available to Misty, but there is no reason to believe that it was not. The problem is that she remains obstinate and uncooperative. According to Chelsea, Misty claims that she's told absolutely everything she knows but no one will listen. Well, she's made that same allegation since the very beginning, and meanwhile her story changed over and over again. Obviously, she has not at any point been completely forthcoming.

Additionally, the defendants are being prosecuted individually. Ron was sentenced for the incidents that took place in Putnam County. yesterday, Misty was sentenced for a completely separate incident. If anything, one could say Misty and Donna should have received the same sentence. To say that Misty should receive the same sentence as Ron means that if Ron had received 25 years, then would be okay that Misty was sentenced to 25 years. That's faulty reasoning, imo, because if one accepts that statement is true, the argument that Misty deserves special consideration due to her age and background goes right out the window. :waitasec:

 

[kant]

all true, but here's where I have a problem. Ron. The judge didn't ask him if he loved his drug sale money, & he wasn't chastized for dealing during the Haleigh investigation. & the only thing he's done to help himself, is talk. finally. & if somebody else's pain is alleviated because of the fallout, then so be it, but I doubt that was his motive. He didn't say whatever it was he had to say, until he got his deal, so I believe he played a big part in prolonging Crystal's & everybody else's agony. Evidently, him admitting to that gun fight was a big deal, or he would've admitted to it a long time ago. & who knows, maybe that information would've been enough to void that last search. & when it's all said & done, Ron was Haleigh's father. & I don't care what any of them said about those kids loving Misty or her loving them, or how much Haleigh wanted Misty to be her mother, she was just the babysitter. Misty was there because Ron wanted her there. & if it turns out that she killed Haleigh, there is no way I'll ever believe that Ron didn't actively cover for her. & IMO, that's been just as detrimental to this case being solved, as Misty covering for herself. probably more, because Misty alone, couldn't have pulled this off. MOO.

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yes... THIS.

'nuff said by me.

moo

 

[kant]

Do you mean that she and Ron deserve exactly the same sentence, or that Misty should've have received 15 years. I'm not just addressing you, Puf, I'm questioning the way it's stated in the poll. There's an important distinction, and I'm curious what members actually mean when they vote for that selection.

Ron was facing 25 years, but the most severe charges were dropped because he agreed to cooperate with the state. We don't know if the same offer was made available to Misty, but there is no reason to believe that it was not. The problem is that she remains obstinate and uncooperative. According to Chelsea, Misty claims that she's told absolutely everything she knows but no one will listen. Well, she's made that same allegation since the very beginning, and meanwhile her story changed over and over again. Obviously, she has not at any point been completely forthcoming.

Additionally, the defendants are being prosecuted individually. Ron was sentenced for the incidents that took place in Putnam County. yesterday, Misty was sentenced for a completely separate incident. If anything, one could say Misty and Donna should have received the same sentence. To say that Misty should receive the same sentence as Ron means that if Ron had received 25 years, then would be okay that Misty was sentenced to 25 years. That's faulty reasoning, imo, because if one accepts that statement is true, the argument that Misty deserves special consideration due to her age and background goes right out the window. :waitasec:

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I guess that's how I got confused bc i have in my mind that video in which i thought IIRC I saw Misty AND Ron in the car during the sting or whatver the correct term is, (hence the same county duh) but I could be mistaken... obviously I am.

iow, I had it in my head that Ron and Misty were together (same car, same county, same minimum sentence parameters etc) when ....whatever happened happened with the undercover LE regarding the drug exchange.