Misty gets 25 years - Are you happy with the St. John's verdict? ***POLL***

[kant]

I know this is confusing. Flora Hollars Granny Hollars broke the story about Misty sleeping with a gun under her pillow every night Ron was at work except for Monday, Feb 9/09 on Issues with JVM on August 20, 2010.

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FLO HOLLARS, MISTY CROSLIN`S GRANDMOTHER: Yes, ma`am.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you know that Misty, your granddaughter, slept with a gun under her pillow?

HOLLARS: Yes, ma`am.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tell me about that. Why?

HOLLARS: I really can`t say why. All I know is she said she had to sleep with a gun under her head every night in case anybody came in to shoot them.

LEVI PAGE: Why would somebody come in --

ART HARRIS: As you said, Flo, I believe you told me she would have shot Joe that night if she had had the gun but she didn`t have it.

HOLLARS: Yes, she did.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So Misty told you she would have shot Joe that night?

HOLLARS: Yes, ma`am.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/20/ijvm.01.html

IF Junior's story is correct, Misty would not have shot any intruder Monday night because according to Misty, she slept through the ordeal. Why hasn't anyone asked Junior if Misty was asleep when HaLeigh was abducted and if they were all at home that evening? These are simple questions that only require a 'yes' or 'no' for an answer. It's because Ron doesn't want anyone to believe Junior's story.

Granny Hollers said Misty didn't have the gun Monday evening but according to the Police Report, Ron showed him a handgun that was in the house when they arrived after the 911 call; so AFAIKT, the handgun did not go missing after HaLeigh vanished. I assume the reason Misty didn't have it was because Ron took it away so she wouldn't shoot him. FH didn't say why Misty didn't have it and unless Misty talks and reveals what she knows, what FH said is hearsay. I believe Misty named Joe as a POI because Ron lied to her when he said he didn't take HaLeigh. I assume LE are satisfied with Joe's alibi for Monday evening.

No one on JVM's panel asked if LE knew Misty kept the handgun under her pillow every night but it was gone on Monday, and the officer Ron showed his handgun to didn't seemed concerned about the gun being in a home occupied by two young children and a 16-year-old female. It is hard for me to believe Misty would have the courage to shoot a handgun at an intruder or would agree to sleep with a handgun under her pillow in a bed which was occupied by a three-year-old. That is way beyond my comfort level and I would never be content living in that fearful situation; installing a security system in the home is my cup of tea. Gee, I wonder why Ron didn't do that? :waitasec:

Maybe Misty didn't think it was important to tell LE the gun was taken from her Monday evening and if it's true it is very likely Ron didn't want her talking about it; just like Ron didn't want Jr talking about the man dressed in black who came in and took HaLeigh. IMO Ron, a violent man with a history of abusing women and children doesn't want Junior and Misty to talk and he took steps to prevent them from doing so. Maybe information about the handgun was one reason Ron stopped Misty's interviews with LE after he lawyered up. :waitasec:

Ron drove the purple Altima to pickup HaLeigh from the bus stop and to work Monday evening didn't he? Ron apparently gave Misty this vehicle on her
17th Birthday before she had her license.

When Ron's next door neighbor woke up and heard the commotion going on, he didn't mention a loud noise; but it is my understanding a car was briefly parked behind the wooded area by a senior's complex after midnight. I do not have a link.

One child's footprint was noted in the police report which doesn't make much sense but it could prove HaLeigh left by the back door if it matched hers. Is the only way LE can determine whether it belonged to HaLeigh is if her footprint was recorded at birth? LE never investigated the footprint and it was news to Sherriff Hardy when he was told about it.

According to Chelsea, the only evening Ron went into work late was on Monday which meant the yard he was working in would have been vacated by the majority of his coworkers after their shift ended. Does anyone know if the security guard at PDM Bridge worked 24/7? People wondered why Ron didn't go home to check on his children if he couldn't reach Misty on the phone and MO is he had a hidden agenda and I personally see a purpose in his actions leading up to daughter's disappearance.

Ron kept his daughter under close surveillance Monday. He drove her to school in the morning, picked her up at the bus stop, wouldn't let her socialize with friends, made Misty and Junior stay home so he could talk privately to HaLeigh in the car, and told her he would see her later than night when he got home from work.

I believe Ron called Tommy's to check if HaLeigh was where she was supposed to be; at home in bed. HaLeigh was to go to school the next day so she was to be in bed by 8 pm and according to Misty she was.

Tommy said HaLeigh usually visited at his place everyday but not Monday.

My :twocents: FWIW.

bbm

I know this is technically a, "Tommy said," but I find it significant and odd.

I stiil think that whatever happened to haleigh did not happen in the wee hours of the morning as Ron and Misty would have us believe per the 911 call, police report, etc

moo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

When Flora Hollers appeared on JVM I believe, she said Misty slept with Ron&#8217;s handgun under her pillow when Ron worked evenings and Ron removed it the day HaLeigh went missing. I figured the reason Ron removed it that particular day was to prevent Misty from shooting him if she woke up and found an intruder inside the house. FWIW, the police report indicates Ron did own and keep a 9 mm handgun in the house so if Misty confirms Ron took it away from her and hide it from her on Monday, that punches another hole in Ron's alibi.

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&#8220;Ronald repeatedly said that someone had taken his child and also said, "When I find him, I'll kill him." Ronald was referring to a 9 mm Beretta hand gun which he owned inside of his residence and that if law enforcement found whoever had this child, he would shoot them through the back window of the patrol car.&#8221; Maybe Ron did take the gun away from Misty, and hid it somewhere in the house.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

It sounds like the officer first got this information from Ron about the gun. Not Misty. At the time he had only talked with Ron and then went on to talk to Misty.

If he was threatening to shoot the person that took his child then LE knew he had to have a gun.

With Ron so upset and threatening to shoot someone LE would have made sure they took Ron's 9mm with them to protect others and to prevent him from hurting himself.



IMO

 

[Crosby87]

For those who are interested, here are pics Ger took of River Villa&#8217;s senior community that is next to 116 Tyler

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[justus4all]

For those who are interested, here are pics Ger took of River Villa’s senior community that is next to 116 Tyler

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thanks so much!!!

The dumpster would be the ideal place to temp place a body and near both residences....
and had hits from dogs...it would convince me...that is is possibly the place Haleigh was for a short time...
She had to be hidden...

Question is to anyone...looking at the sides of the dumpster, could a body be placed easily over the side...or would require several people? thanks moo

 

[4Jacy]

Misty got the 25 yrs. because she is involved in the HC case. They wanted to put the squeeze on her. If the HC case hadn't happened Misty would have gotten far less time.
JMHO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If we completely take Haleigh's case out of the equation ,and look at who do what in the drug cases, then I don't understand how some can say that Misty should have gotten the same amount of time that Ron Cummings did.

Misty Croslin has more charges than Ron Cummings did even if you take off two since Ron got two removed. That still makes her the leading drug trafficker in this case. It is evident to me that the FLDE had the goods on Misty and knew from the start that she was the "go to" drug dealer in the entire group.

And this Judge considered Misty's other multiple charges of drug trafficking because Misty had already pleaded 'no contest' to the other multiple charges.

IMO

 

[dodie20]

If we completely take Haleigh's case out of the equation ,and look at who do what in the drug cases, then I don't understand how some can say that Misty should have gotten the same amount of time that Ron Cummings did.

Misty Croslin has more charges than Ron Cummings did even if you take off two since Ron got two removed. That still makes her the leading drug trafficker in this case. It is evident to me that the FLDE had the goods on Misty and knew from the start that she was the "go to" drug dealer in the entire group.

And this Judge considered Misty's other multiple charges of drug trafficking because Misty had already pleaded 'no contest' to the other multiple charges.

IMO

Because of Ron's record. He has showed a pattern of criminal behavior, & is a menace to society. Misty, on the other hand, had no record. Now, the judge could guess & say that Misty wouldn't have stopped dealing, if not arrested, but that's just a guess. No guess work was necessary with Ron. It's all laid out in a legal paper trail. Also, Ron had kids, & chose the criminal lifestyle over them. Misty didn't. not saying that she wouldn't, but again that's just guess work. No assumption necessary with Ron.

 

[Eileen730]

If he DID remove the gun the day Haleigh went missing, why then? Why not before she went missing? In Fla., if you are negligent and leave a gun within a child's reach and the worst happens, you are held responsible. Could that be why the gun disappeared? Hmmmmmmmmmmm..............

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a claim that someone in the neighborhood heard something like a car backfire that night?

Could Jr have gotten the gun and shot Haleigh? Could Misty not have been at home with the children? Maybe she went out for a bit and left them alone.
Came home and found Haleigh Dead! Calls ron they panic have to get rid of Haleigh or they will be charged Misty calls her brother they come and help
dispose of Haleigh.

then they make up the kidnapping story!

Just a thought!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Because of Ron's record. He has showed a pattern of criminal behavior, & is a menace to society. Misty, on the other hand, had no record. Now, the judge could guess & say that Misty wouldn't have stopped dealing, if not arrested, but that's just a guess. No guess work was necessary with Ron. It's all laid out in a legal paper trail. Also, Ron had kids, & chose the criminal lifestyle over them. Misty didn't. not saying that she wouldn't, but again that's just guess work. No assumption necessary with Ron.

Did he have any felony convictions before this?

When was the last time he was convicted on drug charges before the ones in 2010?

A Judge wouldn't consider Ron's ability to parent as a factor when determining the drug charges.

If that were the case the Judge could have held it against Misty because she let a little five year old go missing on her watch and LE has declared the case a homicide.

I think it is logical for the Judge to think by looking at Misty's repeating pattern of multiple drug trafficking charges she would have continued to wheel and deal until caught.

IMO

 

[dodie20]

Did he have any felony convictions before this?

When was the last time he was convicted on drug charges before the ones in 2010?

A Judge wouldn't consider Ron's ability to parent as a factor when determining the drug charges.

If that were the case the Judge could have held it against Misty because she let a little five year old go missing on her watch and LE has declared the case a homicide.

I think it is logical for the Judge to think by looking at Misty's repeating pattern of multiple drug trafficking charges she would have continued to wheel and deal until caught.

IMO

Yes, a good judge would factor in the parenting, because the drugs & dealing affected his children. no doubt about it. just like Tommy's judge factored in him dealing during a missing child investigation. Ron was no better than Tommy, IMO. He was just as irresponsible & unconcerned. As for logical...who says somebody has to be convicted of felonies to qualify as a criminal? Ron is what he is ...a career criminal & a menace to society. & his record proves it. Misty didn't have a record, & all the fortune telling in the world, doesn't prove anything. just guess work. As for Haleigh coming up missing on Misty's watch? IMO, that was RON's watch. Those were his kids to take care of, not some teenaged druggie who didn't want to babysit. & he knew better than that or should have, & he showed how negligent he truly was, with that decision. There comes a time, when adults have to well, just grow up, or face the consequences, & that's what Ron has been forced to do...face some hefty consequences. He's lost his daughter forever, lost custody of his son, & won't share in his growing up, & he has a 15 year prison sentence. That's a sorrowful life, by any standards. So what if Misty gets more time than Ron? What does that matter, in Ron's world? Comparing Ron's life to Misty's is pointless. Maybe by comparrison, his looks a little better, (to some), but when did Misty Croslin become the standard for any comparrison?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes, a good judge would factor in the parenting, because the drugs & dealing affected his children. no doubt about it. just like Tommy's judge factored in him dealing during a missing child investigation. Ron was no better than Tommy, IMO. He was just as irresponsible & unconcerned. As for logical...who says somebody has to be convicted of felonies to qualify as a criminal? Ron is what he is ...a career criminal & a menace to society. & his record proves it. Misty didn't have a record, & all the fortune telling in the world, doesn't prove anything. just guess work. As for Haleigh coming up missing on Misty's watch? IMO, that was RON's watch. Those were his kids to take care of, not some teen aged druggie who didn't want to babysit. & he knew better than that or should have, & he showed how negligent he truly was, with that decision. There comes a time, when adults have to well, just grow up, or face the consequences, & that's what Ron has been forced to do...face some hefty consequences. He's lost his daughter forever, lost custody of his son, & won't share in his growing up, & he has a 15 year prison sentence. That's a sorrowful life, by any standards. So what if Misty gets more time than Ron? What does that matter, in Ron's world? Comparing Ron's life to Misty's is pointless. Maybe by comparison, his looks a little better, (to some), but when did Misty Croslin become the standard for any comparison?

Not really. Now if any children had been in the vehicle with any of them when they made their drug deals they could all have extra charges lobbed against them. Unless Ron had been charged with child endangerment and pleaded guilty then the Judge wouldn't take into account. A good Judge never goes out of the realm of the laws.

No it wasnt Ron's watch. The person on watch was the person there in the home with the children.........not the one at work. If that were the case then all parents of missing children would be guilty simply because they were at work or somewhere else and not with their children at the time. The people totally responsible for what happened to Haleigh were the ones who were there in the home that night.

And with 25 million people in our country addicted to prescription drugs a whole heck of a lot of them are parents. So children everyday are in the homes with someone who takes narcotics that clouds the parent's judgments.

Tommy is a suspect in Haleigh's disappearance.

I don't think Ron was a career criminal. Career criminals do not go for years on end without committing crimes and it had been years since Ron's last drug conviction. Once police knows that someone deals drugs they have snitches that watch them and tell them what is going on. If Ron had been doing drugs all those years the narcs would have known it.

Misty didn't sound drugged out in the 911 call so there is no evidence Misty was stoned when all this happened.

I don't think there is a comparison. Misty has steadfastly thwarted Haleigh's investigation for going on 20 months. Misty is not going to testify against those who harmed Haleigh because imo she is involved up to her eyeballs.

Misty sold drugs with ease and according to FDLE she was the kingpin and imo FLDE would know. SO the main dealer always gets more time and there is nothing showing she would have ever stopped until they made her stop. I think she learned to be a drug pusher very early in her life from her parents.

Anyone that thinks just because they are poor that selling drugs is okay will never stop what they have done for a very long time. Misty just didn't get caught until now.

I think it matters a lot to Ron what he has lost. Some family members who have lost a child to homicide can rise to the occasion and be strong. Others can spiral down and do things they will come to regret. I know Ron wishes Haleigh was alive and that he was in Jr.s life too but he made bad decisions and will have to pay his debt to society for that just like all of this motley crew is going to do.

imo

 

[lonetraveler]

For Ron to be free of suspicion, in my mind anyway, too many excuses have to be made, & too much benefit of the doubt given. None of these people deserve that. IMO, that many calls are unusual. & then add the calls to him admitting that cops were questioning how he got from work to the store & then home so fast, & Kim P saying he wasn't upfront about his work hours, & I see a problem for Ron. & IMO, he lied about picking Haleigh up from the bus stop, & now his lawyer has gotten kind of hedgy about that. Ron made a deal in exchange for truthful information, & because of Shoemaker's wording, I don't see an attempt at 100% truthfulness. Either Ron picked her up or not. no need to beat around the bush. & a very believable, (IMO), witness put Misty at the bus stop. & Ron has finally admitted to a fight over a gun...after all of this time. He had been lying for how long? So, from where I sit, Ron looks like the liar, not all of the witnesses with stories to tell. What else has he been holding back? & regardless of what some think, 15 years isn't sweet. That's an awful long time, for a little pill dope. If he didn't share at least some kind of culpability, in Haleigh's case, I believe LE would've just allowed him to drive off, like they did with whoever was with Misty & her purse...or if not, dropped his charges. IMO, LE has been hard on Ron, & I think they have good reason. He might not be a murderer, but he is involved. MOO.

Good post, very observant! I don't think Ron can be 100% truthful. All the media have been spouting off about Misty's lying, but they ignored the elephant in the room, Ron. He has lied and lied about lying the entire time and every media network has ignored it. IMo, since it is very evident to me that Misty was sentenced for Haleigh's disappearance, 15 years for Ron is not even close to being adequate. Ron is guilty, up to his lying eyes.

 

[lonetraveler]

Yes, a good judge would factor in the parenting, because the drugs & dealing affected his children. no doubt about it. just like Tommy's judge factored in him dealing during a missing child investigation. Ron was no better than Tommy, IMO. He was just as irresponsible & unconcerned. As for logical...who says somebody has to be convicted of felonies to qualify as a criminal? Ron is what he is ...a career criminal & a menace to society. & his record proves it. Misty didn't have a record, & all the fortune telling in the world, doesn't prove anything. just guess work. As for Haleigh coming up missing on Misty's watch? IMO, that was RON's watch. Those were his kids to take care of, not some teenaged druggie who didn't want to babysit. & he knew better than that or should have, & he showed how negligent he truly was, with that decision. There comes a time, when adults have to well, just grow up, or face the consequences, & that's what Ron has been forced to do...face some hefty consequences. He's lost his daughter forever, lost custody of his son, & won't share in his growing up, & he has a 15 year prison sentence. That's a sorrowful life, by any standards. So what if Misty gets more time than Ron? What does that matter, in Ron's world? Comparing Ron's life to Misty's is pointless. Maybe by comparrison, his looks a little better, (to some), but when did Misty Croslin become the standard for any comparrison?

:clap::clap::clap: Very well said. Never seen this case discussed in this way. Very interesting!

 

[lonetraveler]

Not really. Now if any children had been in the vehicle with any of them when they made their drug deals they could all have extra charges lobbed against them. Unless Ron had been charged with child endangerment and pleaded guilty then the Judge wouldn't take into account. A good Judge never goes out of the realm of the laws.

No it wasnt Ron's watch. The person on watch was the person there in the home with the children.........not the one at work. If that were the case then all parents of missing children would be guilty simply because they were at work or somewhere else and not with their children at the time. The people totally responsible for what happened to Haleigh were the ones who were there in the home that night.

And with 25 million people in our country addicted to prescription drugs a whole heck of a lot of them are parents. So children everyday are in the homes with someone who takes narcotics that clouds the parent's judgments.

Tommy is a suspect in Haleigh's disappearance.

I don't think Ron was a career criminal. Career criminals do not go for years on end without committing crimes and it had been years since Ron's last drug conviction. Once police knows that someone deals drugs they have snitches that watch them and tell them what is going on. If Ron had been doing drugs all those years the narcs would have known it.

Misty didn't sound drugged out in the 911 call so there is no evidence Misty was stoned when all this happened.

I don't think there is a comparison. Misty has steadfastly thwarted Haleigh's investigation for going on 20 months. Misty is not going to testify against those who harmed Haleigh because imo she is involved up to her eyeballs.

Misty sold drugs with ease and according to FDLE she was the kingpin and imo FLDE would know. SO the main dealer always gets more time and there is nothing showing she would have ever stopped until they made her stop. I think she learned to be a drug pusher very early in her life from her parents.

Anyone that thinks just because they are poor that selling drugs is okay will never stop what they have done for a very long time. Misty just didn't get caught until now.

I think it matters a lot to Ron what he has lost. Some family members who have lost a child to homicide can rise to the occasion and be strong. Others can spiral down and do things they will come to regret. I know Ron wishes Haleigh was alive and that he was in Jr.s life too but he made bad decisions and will have to pay his debt to society for that just like all of this motley crew is going to do.

imo

My response in blue.
Not really. Now if any children had been in the vehicle with any of them when they made their drug deals they could all have extra charges lobbed against them. Unless Ron had been charged with child endangerment and pleaded guilty then the Judge wouldn't take into account. A good Judge never goes out of the realm of the laws.
Oh, what if Ron had left Jr. alone while he was dealing drugs like he wanted to do in some of the drug deals he made with Misty along?No it wasnt Ron's watch. The person on watch was the person there in the home with the children.........not the one at work. If that were the case then all parents of missing children would be guilty simply because they were at work or somewhere else and not with their children at the time. The people totally responsible for what happened to Haleigh were the ones who were there in the home that night.

It is always the custodial parent who is the ultimate responsible party. He is responsible for whoever he leaves the children with, especially when he knows that they are not only underage but not competent to keep children at the time.

And with 25 million people in our country addicted to prescription drugs a whole heck of a lot of them are parents. So children everyday are in the homes with someone who takes narcotics that clouds the parent's judgments.
So, does this make it OK????????? Ron’s judgment has been compromised since his early twenties and his record shows this to be true.Tommy is a suspect in Haleigh's disappearance.

Although it is true that the DA stated this in Tommy’s drug sentencing, Tommy has not been charged.

I don't think Ron was a career criminal. Career criminals do not go for years on end without committing crimes and it had been years since Ron's last drug conviction. Once police knows that someone deals drugs they have snitches that watch them and tell them what is going on. If Ron had been doing drugs all those years the narcs would have known it.

Ron has arrest records multiple pages long, he slid right past the conviction part, that doesn’t mean he didn’t commit them. It is very obvious that he did indeed commit them. He just got a “free pass”.

Misty didn't sound drugged out in the 911 call so there is no evidence Misty was stoned when all this happened.

You are correct, she most likely wasn’t stoned since, IMO, she had just arrived at Ron’s MH. She arrived just in time to get her script and to rehearse it.

I don't think there is a comparison. Misty has steadfastly thwarted Haleigh's investigation for going on 20 months. Misty is not going to testify against those who harmed Haleigh because imo she is involved up to her eyeballs.

IMO, Ron killed Haleigh and therefore he is the one who has thwarted the investigation. If Misty killed Haleigh, she would have been arrested and charged in 2009. Even the Keystone cops would have arrested her by now if she was the one who had harmed Haleigh.

Misty sold drugs with ease and according to FDLE she was the kingpin and imo FLDE would know. SO the main dealer always gets more time and there is nothing showing she would have ever stopped until they made her stop. I think she learned to be a drug pusher very early in her life from her parents.

Yeah, a seventeen year old girl is a “Kingpin” while working with a much older, more drug seasoned adult male who has been using and dealing drugs for many years………sure, when pigs fly.

Anyone that thinks just because they are poor that selling drugs is okay will never stop what they have done for a very long time. Misty just didn't get caught until now.

Someone with Misty’s upbringing and with the influence of a much older drug dealer who she fancied to be in love with, it was only a matter of time before he turned her on to dealing for him. I mean after-all she was so young, if she got caught, she wouldn’t have to serve time, he knew this and told her so…………..yeah, right!

I think it matters a lot to Ron what he has lost. Some family members who have lost a child to homicide can rise to the occasion and be strong. Others can spiral down and do things they will come to regret. I know Ron wishes Haleigh was alive and that he was in Jr.s life too but he made bad decisions and will have to pay his debt to society for that just like all of this motley crew is going to do.

Ron is upset because Ron was caught, period. IMO, Ron didn’t worry about the children or how his actions would affect them. He was all for Ron and still is. Too bad for the innocent children who have had to suffer for his arrogance, and self-centered attitude. He was already spiraled down before Haleigh died.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

My response is in arial black.

My response in blue.
Not really. Now if any children had been in the vehicle with any of them when they made their drug deals they could all have extra charges lobbed against them. Unless Ron had been charged with child endangerment and pleaded guilty then the Judge wouldn't take into account. A good Judge never goes out of the realm of the laws.

Oh, what if Ron had left Jr. alone while he was dealing drugs like he wanted to do in some of the drug deals he made with Misty along?No it wasnt Ron's watch. The person on watch was the person there in the home with the children.........not the one at work. If that were the case then all parents of missing children would be guilty simply because they were at work or somewhere else and not with their children at the time. The people totally responsible for what happened to Haleigh were the ones who were there in the home that night.

I don't go by 'what ifs." As far as I am aware Ron didn't leave the kids alone nor has he ever been charged with child endangerment.

It is always the custodial parent who is the ultimate responsible party. He is responsible for whoever he leaves the children with, especially when he knows that they are not only underage but not competent to keep children at the time.

True, but I am not talking about moral responsibility. I am talking about being criminally responsible and those persons are the ones who harmed Haliegh. Misty had cared for those children for months. Both sides of Haleigh's family seemed very pleased with Misty looking after the children. Lots of teenager Misty's age take care of children and do a very good job. Her being a teenager doesn't mean she is inept. Her family said she had taken care of younger kids a lot.

And with 25 million people in our country addicted to prescription drugs a whole heck of a lot of them are parents. So children everyday are in the homes with someone who takes narcotics that clouds the parent's judgments.

So, does this make it OK????????? Ron&#8217;s judgment has been compromised since his early twenties and his record shows this to be true.Tommy is a suspect in Haleigh's disappearance.

It absolutely is not okay but it is a sad reality that cant be dismissed. I hate drugs of any kind and I think no parent should go around in an altered state of mind high on legal or illegal drugs.
I don't know what Ron's life was like during the years he gained and retained custody of his children. Lots of young people nowadays seem to make mistakes especially when it comes to drugs unfortunately.

Although it is true that the DA stated this in Tommy&#8217;s drug sentencing, Tommy has not been charged.

He has been labeled by the DA as a suspect though and Ron hasn't

I don't think Ron was a career criminal. Career criminals do not go for years on end without committing crimes and it had been years since Ron's last drug conviction. Once police knows that someone deals drugs they have snitches that watch them and tell them what is going on. If Ron had been doing drugs all those years the narcs would have known it.

Ron has arrest records multiple pages long, he slid right past the conviction part, that doesn&#8217;t mean he didn&#8217;t commit them. It is very obvious that he did indeed commit them. He just got a &#8220;free pass&#8221;.
When was the last Misty didn't sound drugged out in the 911 call so there is no evidence Misty was stoned when all this happened.

When was Ron's last arrest for drugs?

You are correct, she most likely wasn&#8217;t stoned since, IMO, she had just arrived at Ron&#8217;s MH. She arrived just in time to get her script and to rehearse it.Can't answer speculation.

I don't think there is a comparison. Misty has steadfastly thwarted Haleigh's investigation for going on 20 months. Misty is not going to testify against those who harmed Haleigh because imo she is involved up to her eyeballs.

IMO, Ron killed Haleigh and therefore he is the one who has thwarted the investigation. If Misty killed Haleigh, she would have been arrested and charged in 2009. Even the Keystone cops would have arrested her by now if she was the one who had harmed Haleigh.

Cant answer since this part is just speculation and opinion with nothing to back it up.

Misty sold drugs with ease and according to FDLE she was the kingpin and imo FLDE would know. SO the main dealer always gets more time and there is nothing showing she would have ever stopped until they made her stop. I think she learned to be a drug pusher very early in her life from her parents.

Yeah, a seventeen year old girl is a &#8220;Kingpin&#8221; while working with a much older, more drug seasoned adult male who has been using and dealing drugs for many years&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;sure, when pigs fly.

I believe FLDE knows more than I do about who was the kingpin and they say Misty was the main dealer. Misty had hung around guys older than Ron.

Someone with Misty&#8217;s upbringing and with the influence of a much older drug dealer who she fancied to be in love with, it was only a matter of time before he turned her on to dealing for him. I mean after-all she was so young, if she got caught, she wouldn&#8217;t have to serve time, he knew this and told her so&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..yeah, right!

I think she was influenced by much older adults. Her parents.

I think it matters a lot to Ron what he has lost. Some family members who have lost a child to homicide can rise to the occasion and be strong. Others can spiral down and do things they will come to regret. I know Ron wishes Haleigh was alive and that he was in Jr.s life too but he made bad decisions and will have to pay his debt to society for that just like all of this motley crew is going to do.

Ron is upset because Ron was caught, period. IMO, Ron didn&#8217;t worry about the children or how his actions would affect them. He was all for Ron and still is. Too bad for the innocent children who have had to suffer for his arrogance, and self-centered attitude. He was already spiraled down before Haleigh died.

Ron didn't seem upset he was caught. He seemed to be resigned to the fact he was going to prison for what he did.

imo

 

[Lanie]

IMO, 17, 16, and even 15 is not too young to be babysitting 2 children. IMO, while Misty taking care of 2 children that were not hers would fall under 'babysitting', she was not THE BABYSITTER, she was THE LIVE-IN GIRLFRIEND. I assume she was having sex with Ron, that doesn't make her THE PROSTITUTE, and if she indeed did any housecleaning, that doesn't make her THE MAID. I do not find it odd at all for someone in a live-in relationship with someone who has children to be the one who babysits the children while the SO parent is at work.

IMO, it is a rare luxury these days few people can afford to be able to spend every minute of every day from birth to age 18 with your child or children, and who does this anyway? People leave their children with others to go to work, to go out, the children go to school, people let their children go to friends, etc. What is a fact is almost every parent, especially single parents, in the USA has at least at one point in time left their children in someone else's care other than their own. It's not a criminal act.

I agree Misty was a poor choice to leave children with because of her drug use, however, I don't think a parent who uses drugs is going to have the same mindset about this someone like me, who doesn't use drugs, is going to have. So while still a bad decision, IMO, it wasn't a deliberate bad decision. IMO, this was a decision that cost Haleigh her life, and IMO, Ron does have responsibility for that, but IMO, there is a big difference between that and actually ending the life of your child with your own hands.

 

[Lanie]

Ron was sentenced in Putnam Co, and so far Misty has been sentenced in St. John's county. For this to be an LE coverup, that involves 2 counties right there, but wait, the drug sting was run by Florida Dept. of Law Enforcement, FDLE said Misty was the kingpin, FDLE said they were going after Misty and the rest of the bunch were a bonus (my paraphrase) and in regards to Haleigh, it was an FDLE officer that asked Misty to take him to Haleigh's body, so I guess Ron has LE all over the state of Florida in his pocket as well.

IMO, someone with that much power wouldn't be working nights running a forklift, living in a mobile home, and at times reduced to having to live with his grandma, but I guess the answer to that would be he's operating undercover.

Ron was charged with 5 counts, worked out a plea deal that involved having the 2 worst counts dropped, and was sentenced to 15 years. After the state of Florida gets Misty all tied up in a bow just like they want her, are they all going to say, "Oopsie, we made a mistake." and let Ron out with time served? 15 years is not 25 years, but it's still a long, long time to sit in prison, IMO.

Misty was charged with I don't even remember at this point how many counts, 8? 9? IIRC, she has 3 with 25 year min man. One of these counts was what she was sentenced to 25 years over. She did not work out a plea deal. At her sentencing hearing, she took the stand, and IMO, the judge gave her a lot of leeway to give some indication she had seen the error of her ways, and IMO, she failed miserably.

Misty has an attorney just like Ron does. IMO, if Misty should not have gotten 25 years, that is the fault of Misty and/or Misty's attorney, not the judge, and not a statewide LE/judicial conspiracy against Misty to protect Ron. Misty chose to follow Hope's sterling example in her attitude towards these charges, and she got just what Hope got, minimum mandatory, for what she was charged with.

Misty's sentence on the rest of her charges has been delayed until Jan. Maybe she realized she needed to change tactics, and is now working on a plea deal to get some charges dropped. IMO, that's going to work in her favor more than the entitled to deal drugs because I had a bad life attitude she displayed in court at her last sentencing hearing.

 

[dodie20]

IMO, 17, 16, and even 15 is not too young to be babysitting 2 children. IMO, while Misty taking care of 2 children that were not hers would fall under 'babysitting', she was not THE BABYSITTER, she was THE LIVE-IN GIRLFRIEND. I assume she was having sex with Ron, that doesn't make her THE PROSTITUTE, and if she indeed did any housecleaning, that doesn't make her THE MAID. I do not find it odd at all for someone in a live-in relationship with someone who has children to be the one who babysits the children while the SO parent is at work.

IMO, it is a rare luxury these days few people can afford to be able to spend every minute of every day from birth to age 18 with your child or children, and who does this anyway? People leave their children with others to go to work, to go out, the children go to school, people let their children go to friends, etc. What is a fact is almost every parent, especially single parents, in the USA has at least at one point in time left their children in someone else's care other than their own. It's not a criminal act.

I agree Misty was a poor choice to leave children with because of her drug use, however, I don't think a parent who uses drugs is going to have the same mindset about this someone like me, who doesn't use drugs, is going to have. So while still a bad decision, IMO, it wasn't a deliberate bad decision. IMO, this was a decision that cost Haleigh her life, and IMO, Ron does have responsibility for that, but IMO, there is a big difference between that and actually ending the life of your child with your own hands.

I agree with you, but I don't. The problem started with Ron having an under aged live in. I don't care what her parents thought, Ron did it. Yeah, legally she was old enough to babysit, but considering Ron's lifestyle, he shouldn't have left those 3 alone late at night. He was worried enough to give Misty a gun, but not worried enough to take his kids to GGS...like Misty killing an intruder in front of the kids, was A OK. Ron giiving the gun to Misty, to sleep with, says he anticipated serious problems, & that's exactly what he got. But, that's the life of a drug dealer. Their #1 priority, is to avoid being robbed.

 

[dodie20]

Ron was sentenced in Putnam Co, and so far Misty has been sentenced in St. John's county. For this to be an LE coverup, that involves 2 counties right there, but wait, the drug sting was run by Florida Dept. of Law Enforcement, FDLE said Misty was the kingpin, FDLE said they were going after Misty and the rest of the bunch were a bonus (my paraphrase) and in regards to Haleigh, it was an FDLE officer that asked Misty to take him to Haleigh's body, so I guess Ron has LE all over the state of Florida in his pocket as well.

IMO, someone with that much power wouldn't be working nights running a forklift, living in a mobile home, and at times reduced to having to live with his grandma, but I guess the answer to that would be he's operating undercover.

Ron was charged with 5 counts, worked out a plea deal that involved having the 2 worst counts dropped, and was sentenced to 15 years. After the state of Florida gets Misty all tied up in a bow just like they want her, are they all going to say, "Oopsie, we made a mistake." and let Ron out with time served? 15 years is not 25 years, but it's still a long, long time to sit in prison, IMO.

Misty was charged with I don't even remember at this point how many counts, 8? 9? IIRC, she has 3 with 25 year min man. One of these counts was what she was sentenced to 25 years over. She did not work out a plea deal. At her sentencing hearing, she took the stand, and IMO, the judge gave her a lot of leeway to give some indication she had seen the error of her ways, and IMO, she failed miserably.

Misty has an attorney just like Ron does. IMO, if Misty should not have gotten 25 years, that is the fault of Misty and/or Misty's attorney, not the judge, and not a statewide LE/judicial conspiracy against Misty to protect Ron. Misty chose to follow Hope's sterling example in her attitude towards these charges, and she got just what Hope got, minimum mandatory, for what she was charged with.

Misty's sentence on the rest of her charges has been delayed until Jan. Maybe she realized she needed to change tactics, and is now working on a plea deal to get some charges dropped. IMO, that's going to work in her favor more than the entitled to deal drugs because I had a bad life attitude she displayed in court at her last sentencing hearing.

& this made me wonder how much Fields prepped Misty. That's not cheating, it's doing your homework, lol. It was like he said, 'You're a great public speaker, just be yourself, & you'll do fine'. NOT!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree with you, but I don't. The problem started with Ron having an under aged live in. I don't care what her parents thought, Ron did it. Yeah, legally she was old enough to babysit, but considering Ron's lifestyle, he shouldn't have left those 3 alone late at night. He was worried enough to give Misty a gun, but not worried enough to take his kids to GGS...like Misty killing an intruder in front of the kids, was A OK. Ron giving the gun to Misty, to sleep with, says he anticipated serious problems, & that's exactly what he got. But, that's the life of a drug dealer. Their #1 priority, is to avoid being robbed.

A lot of women get spooked if their partner works late hours. I know I do when my hubby has to work late.

I have a loaded handgun too and I live in one of the safest neighborhoods in my county yet that does not protect me from crime because crime can happen anywhere to anyone no matter where they live.

Now I have heard of some keeping their firearm under their pillow at night but I don't do that but mine is very close and accessible if I should ever need it.

Millions of people have firearms in their homes so I don't think that means Ron expected trouble. Home invasions have been on the rise in the recent years.

There is no evidence that Ron was dealing drugs when Haleigh went missing.

IMO