Misty gets 25 years - Are you happy with the St. John's verdict? ***POLL***

[Lanie]

I agree with you, but I don't. The problem started with Ron having an under aged live in. I don't care what her parents thought, Ron did it. Yeah, legally she was old enough to babysit, but considering Ron's lifestyle, he shouldn't have left those 3 alone late at night. He was worried enough to give Misty a gun, but not worried enough to take his kids to GGS...like Misty killing an intruder in front of the kids, was A OK. Ron giiving the gun to Misty, to sleep with, says he anticipated serious problems, & that's exactly what he got. But, that's the life of a drug dealer. Their #1 priority, is to avoid being robbed.

BBM
I'm not sure how much credence I give this story, since I've only seen it posted in here, and don't know where it came from. But for the sake of this discussion, I'll take this as fact, and I agree, this was IMO massive negligence on Ron's part to put his children at risk this way.

The thing is, though, if this is actually fact, Misty could very easily have done something to Haleigh, and then used Ron's fear of someone coming after him to explain to him how she had nothing to do with what happened, and in this story, it would make sense for her to claim she was threatened, or even attacked in some way, which explains Ron, TN, and GGMS all protecting Misty if they believed this is what happened. This explains how Ron was able to make a plea deal, if LE was able to convince him Misty lied. He then would have the information about these people it's possible he's been lying about in an attempt to protect Haleigh and get her back. LE getting that info would help in the investigation.

And this is what I have been trying and trying to figure out, to me what is the missing piece, why would Ron think people were after him enough to be willing to take his daughter? To me, that is the only thing that makes sense enough to explain most of what has happened in the last year and a half.

 

[dodie20]

1st of all, Misty wasn't a woman. She was a 16/17 year old kid during this time, & Ron had no business giving her a gun, to sleep with...in the same bed as his kids. & I doubt very seriously the problem was Misty being spooked. Their problem, IMO, was drugs & dealing. (backed up by their bust). If Ron was that scared for their safety, he should've taken some of his drug & gun money, & hired a security gaurd, or moved back in with his GM, or let somebody else have custody. My daughter was a very mature & sensible 16 year old, (didn't drink or do drugs), & I would have never given her a gun to sleep with. As a matter of fact, when she was growing up, I was my 20's, like Ron, & I would have NEVER, not in a million years, slept with a gun in the same bed as us. simple, common sense parenting, & I can't believe this is an issue.

 

[djdj247]

A lot of women get spooked if their partner works late hours. I know I do when my hubby has to work late.

I have a loaded handgun too and I live in one of the safest neighborhoods in my county yet that does not protect me from crime because crime can happen anywhere to anyone no matter where they live.

Now I have heard of some keeping their firearm under their pillow at night but I don't do that but mine is very close and accessible if I should ever need it.

Millions of people have firearms in their homes so I don't think that means Ron expected trouble. Home invasions have been on the rise in the recent years.

There is no evidence that Ron was dealing drugs when Haleigh went missing.
IMO

BBM

How do you know?

LE could have mountains of evidence that Ronald was dealing drugs on the night Haleigh vanished. "Assumption, assumption... what's your function?"

I'm sure you're convinced that he wasn't dealing at the time of her disappearance, but anyone new to the case and/or these forums trying to gather information would be misled by that sentence. It's pure speculation presented as fact.

...of course MOO!!!

 

[Lanie]

1st of all, Misty wasn't a woman. She was a 16/17 year old kid during this time, & Ron had no business giving her a gun, to sleep with...in the same bed as his kids. & I doubt very seriously the problem was Misty being spooked. Their problem, IMO, was drugs & dealing. (backed up by their bust). If Ron was that scared for their safety, he should've taken some of his drug & gun money, & hired a security gaurd, or moved back in with his GM, or let somebody else have custody. My daughter was a very mature & sensible 16 year old, (didn't drink or do drugs), & I would have never given her a gun to sleep with. As a matter of fact, when she was growing up, I was my 20's, like Ron, & I would have NEVER, not in a million years, slept with a gun in the same bed as us. simple, common sense parenting, & I can't believe this is an issue.

I'm not sure I understand this post, but here's what I think. IMO, since this case is not about your child or my child being missing for over a year and a half, what you did/would do, and what I did/would do is irrelevant. There are so many things Ron, Misty, and even Tommy do as a normal part of their lives I wouldn't even consider doing, so thinking like myself does nothing, IMO, to help figure out and make sense of what happened. Trying to get into their heads, and understand their mindset of what they consider okay and not okay is what I am trying to do, and that has absolutely nothing to do with me condoning or excusing their lifestyle.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM

How do you know?

LE could have mountains of evidence that Ronald was dealing drugs on the night Haleigh vanished. "Assumption, assumption... what's your function?"

I'm sure you're convinced that he wasn't dealing at the time of her disappearance, but anyone new to the case and/or these forums trying to gather information would be misled by that sentence. It's pure speculation presented as fact.

...of course MOO!!!

Do we have evidence he was dealing drugs at the time Haleigh went missing?

We don't have any evidence that Ron wasnt at work either or that he killed Haleigh but that sure hasn't stop numerous posters from assuming or speculating. So it seems sort of selective on your part for you to single me out when this case is filled with speculations and opinions just like any other case.

I am just going by what is known by the public and there has been no evidence that Ron was dealing drugs when Haleigh was killed.

I highly doubt he was dealing drugs though since LE did not arrest him at the time and only arrested him when the 5 started drug trafficking in December 09.
IMOO

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I'm more upset about RC's sentencing than I am Misty's, but I think neither of them got what they deserved. Considering all the circumstances (dealing when Haleigh was missing, and still having R Jr depending on them), I think the judges would have been within legal rights to give them both much, much longer, consecutive sentences on the drug charges. It was time to send messages all the way around (dealing drugs, child neglect) and let people know that this kind of behavior would no longer be tolerated in society. But, no, the judge caved in RC's case, and the one in Misty's St. Johns case didn't go far enough.

All the way around, it's disgraceful. Yes, it was about the drugs, but the extenuating circumstances were well known and there was no legal reason for these two creatures not to get tougher sentences which were well within the law.

As usual, the poll doesn't have my choice. Both RC and Misty should have gotten much longer sentences.

 

[djdj247]

Do we have evidence he was dealing drugs at the time Haleigh went missing?

We don't have any evidence that Ron wasnt at work either or that he killed Haleigh but that sure hasn't stop numerous posters from assuming or speculating. So it seems sort of selective on your part for you to single me out when this case is filled with speculations and opinions just like any other case.

I am just going by what is known by the public and there has been no evidence that Ron was dealing drugs when Haleigh was killed.

I highly doubt he was dealing drugs though since LE did not arrest him at the time and only arrested him when the 5 started drug trafficking in December 09.
IMOO

(first BBM) As we all are...

There is no evidence that Ron was not dealing drugs either... so to make a statement using a term such as "no evidence" to describe your opinion... see "I highly doubt" (second BBM)... seems intentionally misleading. I apologize for my selectiveness, it was not my objective to offend you. In fact, I probably should not have said anything at all. Again, my apologies. Press on.

JMHO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

(first BBM) As we all are...

There is no evidence that Ron was not dealing drugs either... so to make a statement using a term such as "no evidence" to describe your opinion... see "I highly doubt" (second BBM)... seems intentionally misleading. I apologize for my selectiveness, it was not my objective to offend you. In fact, I probably should not have said anything at all. Again, my apologies. Press on.

JMHO

You did not offend me djdj and there is no need to apologize. I am a very easygoing laid back person who has been on message boards for many years. I don't have thin skin.

I can only go by what has been released for none of us knows what LE knows. LE has never mentioned Ron dealing drugs when Haleigh disappeared nor was he ever arrested for dealing drugs back then. So I have no reason to believe he was nor do I have anything to base it on. IMO he was randomly drug tested when he was employed at PDM so I don't think he was even using drugs right before Haleigh went missing.

If you or anyone else believes he was dealing then of course you are entitled to those opinions but I am still entitled to mine.

As far as me saying "I highly doubt" well I just don't have a clue why that would upset you since that was my opinion.:waitasec:

Anyone that has posted here with me for 6 years knows full well I do not try to mislead anyone.

IMO

 

[Baznme]

Do we have evidence he was dealing drugs at the time Haleigh went missing?

We don't have any evidence that Ron wasnt at work either or that he killed Haleigh but that sure hasn't stop numerous posters from assuming or speculating. So it seems sort of selective on your part for you to single me out when this case is filled with speculations and opinions just like any other case.

I am just going by what is known by the public and there has been no evidence that Ron was dealing drugs when Haleigh was killed.

I highly doubt he was dealing drugs though since LE did not arrest him at the time and only arrested him when the 5 started drug trafficking in December 09.
IMOO

Wow, OBE........BBM

First of all, no evidence of RC not being at work is questionnable at best. We know that PDM did not install the fingerprint security system until after Haleigh went missing so there is great probability that there is no way to prove that RC was there for his entire shift. Going one step further, what there is absolutely no evidence of so far is that Haleigh was killed. IMO, there is still a possibility she is alive. Not probable, but possible. That's why LE has no case where Haleigh is concerned..........yet.

I do however agree there was no evidence he was involved in drugs at the time of Haleigh's disappearance but, if we go by what is known to the public and if we look at the years prior to this incident, we know he was before then and we know he was afterwards. The time in between does not convince me that he was not involved just because he didn't get caught. It is crystal clear to most of us that you stand firm on believing RC to be innocent of any wrongdoing where Haleigh is concerned. I get it but, just because other posters do not agree with you doesn't make them filled with speculations and opinions for no reason. We have our reasons just as you do yours. My reasons are different in that I lived with an abuser and an addict for 12 years. I can read them pretty darn good.

 

[cyberborg]

Wow, OBE........BBM

First of all, no evidence of RC not being at work is questionnable at best. We know that PDM did not install the fingerprint security system until after Haleigh went missing so there is great probability that there is no way to prove that RC was there for his entire shift. Going one step further, what there is absolutely no evidence of so far is that Haleigh was killed. IMO, there is still a possibility she is alive. Not probable, but possible. That's why LE has no case where Haleigh is concerned..........yet.

I do however agree there was no evidence he was involved in drugs at the time of Haleigh's disappearance but, if we go by what is known to the public and if we look at the years prior to this incident, we know he was before then and we know he was afterwards. The time in between does not convince me that he was not involved just because he didn't get caught. It is crystal clear to most of us that you stand firm on believing RC to be innocent of any wrongdoing where Haleigh is concerned. I get it but, just because other posters do not agree with you doesn't make them filled with speculations and opinions for no reason. We have our reasons just as you do yours. My reasons are different in that I lived with an abuser and an addict for 12 years. I can read them pretty darn good.

BBM. Well said!

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

IMO Opinions are priceless and interesting, I love to read the different viewpoints but when they are written so passionately, powerfully and forcefully they come across more as facts not opinions. We know little.

 

[azwriter]

Do we have evidence he was dealing drugs at the time Haleigh went missing?

We don't have any evidence that Ron wasnt at work either or that he killed Haleigh but that sure hasn't stop numerous posters from assuming or speculating. So it seems sort of selective on your part for you to single me out when this case is filled with speculations and opinions just like any other case.

I am just going by what is known by the public and there has been no evidence that Ron was dealing drugs when Haleigh was killed.

I highly doubt he was dealing drugs though since LE did not arrest him at the time and only arrested him when the 5 started drug trafficking in December 09.
IMOO

oceanblueeyes, I don't see the part I bolded as being of sound reasoning. Just because Ron and company weren't arrested, does not mean they (or Ron) were not dealing drugs when Haleigh went missing. There is an equal chance they just were not caught at that time.

And I do believe it's not 100 percent correct to say the five "started" drug trafficking in December 09. What I believe is that an undercover sting was set up for the very reason that Ron, Misty and whoever else in the group, were dealing and the cops knew it.

If not, the cops would have been wasting their time trying to get any of them so readily involved in the sting. There had to been suspicion on LE's part that Misty and Ron and the others were involved in dealing drugs.
JMO.

 

[dodie20]

oceanblueeyes, I don't see the part I bolded as being of sound reasoning. Just because Ron and company weren't arrested, does not mean they (or Ron) were not dealing drugs when Haleigh went missing. There is an equal chance they just were not caught at that time.

And I do believe it's not 100 percent correct to say the five "started" drug trafficking in December 09. What I believe is that an undercover sting was set up for the very reason that Ron, Misty and whoever else in the group, were dealing and the cops knew it.

If not, the cops would have been wasting their time trying to get any of them so readily involved in the sting. There had to been suspicion on LE's part that Misty and Ron and the others were involved in dealing drugs.
JMO.

I completely agree with that. It's not logical to assume that Misty was out doing her thing, but Ron got involved when? the day he got arrested? That goes back to TN saying that Misty dragged his butt into this, & I just can't buy into that. Geraldo questioned him about being a NARK, & that might explain how he went so long undetected. Ron did deny it, but admitting it wouldn't have been smart, so who really knows. But really, after thinking about it, I'm glad all of these guys are either in or on their way to the pen. I don't like the way they were set up, but it's their own fault for being so danged arrogant, stupid & greedy. &, if nothing else, that bust forced them all to remember Haleigh.

 

[twall]

I'm more upset about RC's sentencing than I am Misty's, but I think neither of them got what they deserved. Considering all the circumstances (dealing when Haleigh was missing, and still having R Jr depending on them), I think the judges would have been within legal rights to give them both much, much longer, consecutive sentences on the drug charges. It was time to send messages all the way around (dealing drugs, child neglect) and let people know that this kind of behavior would no longer be tolerated in society. But, no, the judge caved in RC's case, and the one in Misty's St. Johns case didn't go far enough.

All the way around, it's disgraceful. Yes, it was about the drugs, but the extenuating circumstances were well known and there was no legal reason for these two creatures not to get tougher sentences which were well within the law.

As usual, the poll doesn't have my choice. Both RC and Misty should have gotten much longer sentences.

Why do you think the judge in SJC didn't go far enough on Misty's sentence? She had 1 charge with a maximum prison sentence of 30 yrs.

Judge Berger sentenced her to:

10/8/2010 CF COST OF PROSEC STATE ASSESSED $100.00 DUE ON 10/8/2035

10/8/2010 COMPLIANCE CREATED : PAY FNE REQUIRED BY: 10/08/2035

10/8/2010 CF FINE/COSTS ASSESSED $525418.00 DUE ON 10/8/2035

10/8/2010 COMPLIANCE CREATED : PAY FNE REQUIRED BY: 10/08/2035

10/8/2010 CHARGE CNT 1 SENTENCING NOTES: $500,000.00 FINE $800 REST TO FDLE JOINT AND SEVERAL W/CO-DEFENDANT

10/8/2010 CASE# 10000141CFMA - SENTENCED: IMPOSED: 10/8/2010 EFFECTIVE DATE: 10/8/2010 - MAX CONF - PRISON FOR 25 YEARS - CHRG 001 MIN CONF - PRISON FOR 25 YEARS - CHRG 001 CREDIT FOR TIME SERVED - 206 DAYS - CHRG 001 DL SUSPENDED - FOR 2 YEARS - CHRG 001 PROBATION - DRUG OFFENDER () - FOR 5 YEARS - CHRG 001 SENTENCE PROVISION - OTHR CRT RESTRICTION - CHRG 001 SENTENCE PROVISION - SENTENCING GUIDLINES - CHRG 001 - $500,000.00 FINE $800 REST TO FDLE JOINT AND SEVERAL W/CO-DEFENDANT

http://doris.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/...croslin,+misty&ps=50&m=name&s=4&caseid=192668

25 yrs. in prison, fines over half a million dollars, dl suspension, probation, restitution after she is released. What more did you want her to sentence Misty to? The judge has to impose a sentence that is within the sentencing statute of the charge.

 

[Patty G]

I received notice this morning at 5: 21 AM EDT that Misty is no longer in custody at St. John's County Jail.

The inmate for whom you registered, MISTY CUMMINGS with offender number SJSO10MNI002273, is no longer in the custody of the ST. JOHNS COUNTY JAIL as of 10/20/2010.

Since it is possible that this offender has been transferred to the Department of Corrections, please call the jail for more information. The telephone number is (904)824-8304.

 

[krkrjx]

I received notice this morning at 5: 21 AM EDT that Misty is no longer in custody at St. John's County Jail.

The inmate for whom you registered, MISTY CUMMINGS with offender number SJSO10MNI002273, is no longer in the custody of the ST. JOHNS COUNTY JAIL as of 10/20/2010.

Since it is possible that this offender has been transferred to the Department of Corrections, please call the jail for more information. The telephone number is (904)824-8304.

Misty is in Lowell Annex, which is the reception area. However, she could just stay there. Donna went to the Annex for reception and stayed; Hope went from the Annex to Lowell C.I.

No photo of Misty is available yet.

 

[little lulu]

Misty is in Lowell Annex, which is the reception area. However, she could just stay there. Donna went to the Annex for reception and stayed; Hope went from the Annex to Lowell C.I.

No photo of Misty is available yet.

So what exactly is 'reception' ?
Prison without being in the general population?

 

[krkrjx]

So what exactly is 'reception' ?
Prison without being in the general population?

All prisoners go through an intake process. In Florida they call that area the reception and medical area. It's a specific facility (or portion of a prison) where the person gets a full medical/dental/mental health check-up and, based on things that may be found during those checks, the prisoner's final placement is determined.

In Lowell, the Annex is not just a reception area; it has facilities to house prisoners, and also houses women on death row. Misty will either stay in the Annex or go to the Correctional Institution; reception/check-in is usually around a one week stay. The Annex and the C.I. are separate areas of the same prison (Lowell). Or....she could be sent out to another women's prison.

Her photo should come available to us as soon as DOC website updates their online info. We might get a glimpse into what Misty is thinking, from that photo.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Wow, OBE........BBM

First of all, no evidence of RC not being at work is questionable at best. We know that PDM did not install the fingerprint security system until after Haleigh went missing so there is great probability that there is no way to prove that RC was there for his entire shift. Going one step further, what there is absolutely no evidence of so far is that Haleigh was killed. IMO, there is still a possibility she is alive. Not probable, but possible. That's why LE has no case where Haleigh is concerned..........yet.

I do however agree there was no evidence he was involved in drugs at the time of Haleigh's disappearance but, if we go by what is known to the public and if we look at the years prior to this incident, we know he was before then and we know he was afterwards. The time in between does not convince me that he was not involved just because he didn't get caught. It is crystal clear to most of us that you stand firm on believing RC to be innocent of any wrongdoing where Haleigh is concerned. I get it but, just because other posters do not agree with you doesn't make them filled with speculations and opinions for no reason. We have our reasons just as you do yours. My reasons are different in that I lived with an abuser and an addict for 12 years. I can read them pretty darn good.

Good morning Baznme!

It is? I thought LE has said that they are satisfied with Ron's work alibi? If so, how can that be questionable? After all they are the ones that must be satisfied and not outsiders. I have never heard about LE asking the public about Ron's whereabouts like they did Misty.

I must have missed where it has been substantiated that fingerprint scanners were installed afterward at PDM. Do you have a MSM article I can read about that because I have never seen one that I can recall.

I don't believe LE would declare Haleigh's case a homicide based on no evidence to support it.

I think there is some misunderstanding somewhere Baznme. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything nor change their opinions on how they see things. I respect everyone's opinions and understand what they base their theories on. I am just posting MY point of view as I see it.

Again, Ron had not been arrested for years on drug charges before Haleigh went missing and when he gained and retained custody of his children. So while it doesn't convince you that he wasnt doing drugs ........it doesn't convince me that he was. Just a difference of opinion.

Well unfortunately I can relate to the abuse aspect. I was grossly abused by my alcoholic father all my childhood until I left home at age 18 and then I made a mistake and married another insanely jealous abuser for 10 years. He was just plain mean, violent and fanatically obsessive. He didn't drink and he didn't do drugs.

However really what happened to me in the past has nothing to do with the case and I never let my own personal biases enter into cases that I follow. That is just the way I do it though and I do understand why it can enter the minds of others.

IMO

 

[suspicious1]

All prisoners go through an intake process. In Florida they call that area the reception and medical area. It's a specific facility (or portion of a prison) where the person gets a full medical/dental/mental health check-up and, based on things that may be found during those checks, the prisoner's final placement is determined.

In Lowell, the Annex is not just a reception area; it has facilities to house prisoners, and also houses women on death row. Misty will either stay in the Annex or go to the Correctional Institution; reception/check-in is usually around a one week stay. The Annex and the C.I. are separate areas of the same prison (Lowell). Or....she could be sent out to another women's prison.

Her photo should come available to us as soon as DOC website updates their online info. We might get a glimpse into what Misty is thinking, from that photo.

Thanks for explaining that, crackerjacks. LOL

So Misty is off to prison...now? So LE is finish with her? Is this what that means?

 

[lil momma]

Thanks for explaining that, crackerjacks. LOL

So Misty is off to prison...now? So LE is finish with her? Is this what that means?

I sure hope not....i hope they are letting her get a taste of prison...let her ponder a bit.... (i really hope this) Maybe it will make her remember something.

OR Maybe LE has all they need and something is going on behind the scenes? (crossing fingers)

JMO