MN - Beau Shroyer, Wife of Detroit Lakes missionary killed in Angola arrested in connection to his death

[Marie A]

I mean, haven’t you ever seen 90-Day Fiance?

Seriously though, why do you (or the others who also) not believe this could be possible?

In answer to your question:
I’m not saying it’s not possible. Teachers fall in love with their students blah blah
I’m simply saying I do not believe that Jackie engaged in an extramarital affair with a native Angolan while spreading the word of God in a place that is very uncomfortable and where she and her husband repeatedly vocalized concern for the welfare of their family while facing danger/ break ins at home and such.
This is no Casey Anthony who never reports her baby missing and has no qualms breaking up a marriage/ being with a married man.
This woman is raising and home schooling 5 children in a desolate part of Angola without basic comforts because of a selfless mission to serve others.
I’m not buying this ludicrous story and I pray that the state department doesn’t buy it either. She’s in a very dangerous position and so are her children.
I believe wholeheartedly that Jackie is the victim of egregious lies after the murder of her husband by three greedy thieves.
On that note right back at you- why are you willing to believe the worst about someone who has shown incredible selflessness? SMH
All IMHO

 

[Trooper]

In answer to your question:
I’m not saying it’s not possible. Teachers fall in love with their students blah blah
I’m simply saying I do not believe that Jackie engaged in an extramarital affair with a native Angolan while spreading the word of God in a place that is very uncomfortable and where she and her husband repeatedly vocalized concern for the welfare of their family while facing danger/ break ins at home and such.
This is no Casey Anthony who never reports her baby missing and has no qualms breaking up a marriage/ being with a married man.
This woman is raising and home schooling 5 children in a desolate part of Angola without basic comforts because of a selfless mission to serve others.
I’m not buying this ludicrous story and I pray that the state department doesn’t buy it either. She’s in a very dangerous position and so are her children.
I believe wholeheartedly that Jackie is the victim of egregious lies after the murder of her husband by three greedy thieves.
On that note right back at you- why are you willing to believe the worst about someone who has shown incredible selflessness? SMH
All IMHO

What I find myself skeptical about, and it's not very much of it either, , is, why on earth a young Angolan man would bother with a 44 yr old white woman of no particular talent or beauty from Minnesota. This is what puzzles me, she must have appeared to be exotic to him, or /and she was paying him, and not just for agreeing to organise a hit on her husband. To me, there is no other explanation that would cover it.

While it is reasonable to assume that Jackie, and Bernadino, and the other two are practised and fluent liars, I find myself not doubting for one moment the Superintendent of Police, good old Manuel, who's seen killers come and go, white , black, pygmy, Congolese, San tribesmen, Tswana, Ovimbundu, Mbundu, Bakongo, men, women, cbildren, who he has to investigate on the matter of horrible crimes..

Doesn't matter if the State Dept of the USA doesn't buy it, it's a matter of the Angolan jurisdictional folks,, the Sistema Unificado de Justica, the State Dept can whistle dixie as far as the Justice dept of Angola is concerned,.. all they are involved in is the welfare and health of their citizen, as long as it does not interfere with the Angolan Justice Org.

 

[Kemug]

Anything is possible, but I can't imagine why Angolan LE would arrest Jackie for being involved in her husband's murder if there was no indication of such a thing. Plenty of people are murdered in Angola, and everywhere else in the world, without their wives being accused of and arrested for it. There must be some sort of proof. It may "only" be what the other accused said, but why would they make it up? It wouldn't help them, they will be punished for murder under Angolan law anyway.

 

[Trooper]

Anything is possible, but I can't imagine why Angolan LE would arrest Jackie for being involved in her husband's murder if there was no indication of such a thing. Plenty of people are murdered in Angola, and everywhere else in the world, without their wives being accused of and arrested for it. There must be some sort of proof. It may "only" be what the other accused said, but why would they make it up? It wouldn't help them, they will be punished for murder under Angolan law anyway.

Accusing Jackie adds so much more of a burden to the Angolan constabulary, they would have been leant on very hard not to come to the conclusion that they did, and , in addition, according to Reuters, the Ambassador and Embassy staff were consulted from the beginning by the police, so... Jackie has made such an unnecessary nuisance of herself, for what? sex? adulation? a new way of gaining converts, sleep your way into the Kingdom of God?

What in hell was drifting thru her tiny mind, and surely, surely, these evangelical Organisations ought to at the very least , test their potential missionaries for some sort of IQ number, of a reasonably highish order, some record of common sense, some background of dealing with ordinary life in a systematically orderly way. ..

 

[Lilibet]

why are you willing to believe the worst about someone who has shown incredible selflessness? SMH

I really, really hope it’s a huge horrible mistake and that Jackie is innocent. What hangs me up is that the Angolan police looked at the facts they had, not at Jackie’s selflessness, and within four days arrested her. Yes, they could be covering for someone else, but why would they even need Jackie in order to do that?

I know plenty of selfless devout people and among them are a very small number who have cheated on their spouse. It can happen and it could have happened to Jackie. Or not.

 

[RickshawFan]

Missionaries never mention other missionaries publicly, everyone knows that. Competition is fierce, and never ending, not a lot of collegiate mixing..

But.. at committee meetings, ye gods, it would be on for young and old. Plus, they all would be taking a very deep look at the women in their own mission, this is how things go south very quickly.. lots of backpeddling, and radical accusations, and god alone knows what else,

Probably lots of casting out of distasteful stuff in women, the usual stuff, women as seductress, the old Eve and Apple thingo... women being put back in the kitchen, the laundry, no more of this front and centre stuff, .... you know how it goes...

Only the Chinese mission would sail on, regardless, laying the rail, teaching the evolve's engineering, training up the drivers, teaching the technicians.... they never get involved with any of the personal laying on of hands , the praying, the casting out of whatnots, the glossolalia, and all this stuff,

They lay hands on hammers and nails. !

Seriously? No one talks about other missionaries publicly? How do they keep their mouths shut? Do they hang out together? How are people getting friends? They'd have to search out other expats, I suppose, but I haven't seen that in the Shroyers' social media.

 

[RickshawFan]

I've seen her post a lot of 'bathroom selfies' of both her and her daughters. I presume that it is because it's at times when they are out somewhere special (with a nice bathroom) and they are more dressed up and made up than they are on typical days. And, these bathrooms have large mirrors that enable a more distant selfie.

Seems nuts to me! How about right outside the bathroom door?

 

[doublestop]

Perhaps an education in Minnesota just does not prepare one for social interaction anywhere else.

There is an element , not just of ruthlessness and cruelty in this , but unfathomable , immeasurable, incomprehensible stupidity of a denseness not often seen, not even in Minnesota.

What I find myself skeptical about, and it's not very much of it either, , is, why on earth a young Angolan man would bother with a 44 yr old white woman of no particular talent or beauty from Minnesota.

What is your issue with Minnesota? I'm not even from there and it's driving me nuts. There is nothing wrong with Minnesota or people from there. (And how do we know she has no talent?) Have you ever been to Minnesota?

 

[RickshawFan]

She has posts on her Instagram about traveling to various churches in the US while they were here in the summer, speaking and raising money. This post alone lists 5 churches she had visits scheduled at and the post says she'd been speaking at churches "Every Sunday, since we arrived in the States". I wonder how the money raised at these churches was managed. Was it handled completely by Jackie?

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That's an American bathroom. The electric paper towel dispenser is signature USA.

 

[Dre]

When I heard she had been arrested, my true-crime saturated mind went exactly to the situation that this is purported to be..
Due to their connective/sharing lifestyle, this murder and arrest leaves hundreds of people traumatized.
I cannot even fathom the trauma of the children.. How could you comprehend losing both parents painfully and you're suddenly without guardians in Angola?

 

[Knox]

Just coming up to speed on this case, put a few social media links below for others who also may be just coming in.

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According to the report, Jackie Shroyer is accused of being the “mastermind” behind the killing. The outlet cited suspicions by police that the wife and security guard allegedly were involved in a romantic relationship and that Jackie Shroyer had misgivings about leaving Angola once her husband’s mission was to end.

The Angola Press Agency reported Beau Shroyer was killed when he allegedly was lured to a remote area when the suspects were pretending to have car problems. Jackie Shroyer had reportedly left the scene at the time. Allegedly, the suspects were supposed to be paid $50,000 in total for the killing. The outlet said a knife along with Angolan kwanza worth about $5,000 was seized as evidence in addition to the vehicle used to commit the crime.

Report: Two more arrested in killing of Detroit Lakes missionary in alleged murder-for-hire plot

A Detroit Lakes woman was also previously arrested in connection with the death of her husband.

www.startribune.com

Curious what others are thinking at this point - Is Jackie Guilty or Was She Framed?

It's a tale as old as time if true, but I'd like to see what kind of proof they have. Bank records, cell phone communications?

 

[Knox]

In answer to your question:
I’m not saying it’s not possible. Teachers fall in love with their students blah blah
I’m simply saying I do not believe that Jackie engaged in an extramarital affair with a native Angolan while spreading the word of God in a place that is very uncomfortable and where she and her husband repeatedly vocalized concern for the welfare of their family while facing danger/ break ins at home and such.
This is no Casey Anthony who never reports her baby missing and has no qualms breaking up a marriage/ being with a married man.
This woman is raising and home schooling 5 children in a desolate part of Angola without basic comforts because of a selfless mission to serve others.
I’m not buying this ludicrous story and I pray that the state department doesn’t buy it either. She’s in a very dangerous position and so are her children.
I believe wholeheartedly that Jackie is the victim of egregious lies after the murder of her husband by three greedy thieves.
On that note right back at you- why are you willing to believe the worst about someone who has shown incredible selflessness? SMH
All IMHO

I understand your position and opinions. It was a sacrifice for the family to come to Angola. However I did want to say it doesn't appear to be " a desolate part of Angola without basic comforts". On her IG posts over the last several months, I see - a child eating ice cream, a mall, movie theater, a nice home with plenty of food and a tiled floor, a comfy sofa, painted fingernails. It might not be 5 star, but it's far from living in a hut with no running water in the middle of nowhere. JMO~

 

[TravelingBug]

"Every Sunday, since we arrived in the States". I wonder how the money raised at these churches was managed. Was it handled completely by Jackie?

They were under the organization SIM.

Support raised goes directly to SIM and then they get their money from them, basically a 'salary.'

And most organizations also require seeing a budget for how you're justifying expenses - like average of x for food, y for housing, z for transportation, v for educational expenses (if applicable) for kids, u for language school/language tutor (if applicable) to gain fluency in the local language(s), t if they have house help of some sort, etc.

Most Evangelical mission organizations have a requirement of how much you need to raise, typically adjusted for things like COL of where you're based (if you're living in much of the Arabian Gulf, for instance, you need much more than in many places in Africa or places like Papua New Guinea, etc) and also things like number of people on the field with you, etc.

Most also require a percent that stays with the organization to cover their overhead and things like postage on support letters, etc. Many also require long term missionaries to have some that goes into a retirement account, etc.

Unlike with many denominational missions, typically organizations like SIM, AIM, Wycliffe also don't let you stay on the field if your support level is under a certain percentage (it used to be about 85-90%) and if you're under, you need to live off of less until you're back fully funded.

Sometimes churches raise love offerings when missionaries are home (even ones they support monthly) but even that almost always goes directly to the mission organization as well.

 

[Knox]

They were under the organization SIM.

Support raised goes directly to SIM and then they get their money from them, basically a 'salary.'

And most organizations also require seeing a budget for how you're justifying expenses - like average of x for food, y for housing, z for transportation, v for educational expenses (if applicable) for kids, u for language school/language tutor (if applicable) to gain fluency in the local language(s), t if they have house help of some sort, etc.

Most Evangelical mission organizations have a requirement of how much you need to raise, typically adjusted for things like COL of where you're based (if you're living in much of the Arabian Gulf, for instance, you need much more than in many places in Africa or places like Papua New Guinea, etc) and also things like number of people on the field with you, etc.

Most also require a percent that stays with the organization to cover their overhead and things like postage on support letters, etc. Many also require long term missionaries to have some that goes into a retirement account, etc.

Unlike with many denominational missions, typically organizations like SIM, AIM, Wycliffe also don't let you stay on the field if your support level is under a certain percentage (it used to be about 85-90%) and if you're under, you need to live off of less until you're back fully funded.

Sometimes churches raise love offerings when missionaries are home (even ones they support monthly) but even that almost always goes directly to the mission organization as well.

At our Church, if we have visiting missionaries who come to share. The offering collected that day goes directly to them. We’re non-denominational but operate under the General Council of AOG. All the missionaries are affiliated with specific organizations. So IMO not all money raised would go directly to SIM 100% of the time.

But $50k is a lot of money, maybe that was the promise, but when arrested they only had $5k. Maybe the rest was going to come from a life insurance payout? All missionaries serving abroad typically have medical, life and other coverage specific to out of country service.

 

[Lilibet]

What is your issue with Minnesota? I'm not even from there and it's driving me nuts. There is nothing wrong with Minnesota or people from there. (And how do we know she has no talent?) Have you ever been to Minnesota?

I can’t imagine having an issue with Minnesota. After all, that’s where LAKE WOBEGON is—-“a place where all the women are strong, the men are good-looking and the children are above average.”

Lake Wobegon - Wikipedia

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[adot0902]

I understand your position and opinions. It was a sacrifice for the family to come to Angola. However I did want to say it doesn't appear to be " a desolate part of Angola without basic comforts". On her IG posts over the last several months, I see - a child eating ice cream, a mall, movie theater, a nice home with plenty of food and a tiled floor, a comfy sofa, painted fingernails. It might not be 5 star, but it's far from living in a hut with no running water in the middle of nowhere. JMO~

Yes and the very dangerous guards..... Who she was sleeping with and paying to kill her husband....

 

[Dotta]

"A pastor's wife had him murdered
because she was having an affair with their security guard in Angola,
according to police."

Shocking reason pastor's wife 'had him murdered' during Angola mission

Jackie Shroyer, 44, is accused of being the mastermind of her husband Beau Shroyer's murder in the African nation.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Cryptic]

why on earth a young Angolan man would bother with a 44 yr old white woman of no particular talent or beauty from Minnesota. This is what puzzles me, she must have appeared to be exotic to him....

Color me cynical cinnamon, but....

My bet is that the siren song of a green card via marriage to somebody holding one of Uncle Sam's blue passports can move local Romeos in directions that they would normally not be inclined to take.

 

[Cryptic]

the Portuguese MSM original is ^^^) said R50k. That would be South African Rand. This would seem more likely to me.

I agree, that makes sense.

Though South Africa has fallen on hard times recently, the South African Rand could well be more stable and in the case of counterfeits, have better security features than the various other currencies in the southern part of Africa.

Thus, Rands serve as the cash version of a "Lingua Franca" for the region for purchases when you "need to be sure"?

 

[cenazoic]

Absent at the time, for supposed health reasons, was the victim's wife, Jakclyn Shroyer, also 44, considered the moral author of the crime.

Just wanted to say, I like that phrase, “moral author of the crime”.

On that note right back at you- why are you willing to believe the worst about someone who has shown incredible selflessness? SMH

Well, I don’t think I expressed an opinion one way or the other, but if True Crime and 90-Day have taught me anything, it’s that anybody is capable of anything, often for reasons unfathomable to the rest of us.