MN - Beau Shroyer, Wife of Detroit Lakes missionary killed in Angola arrested in connection to his death

[Trooper]

I can agree that Jackie wanted to stay in Angola.

But.... millions of people have entered the United States in the last 4 years via open orders- very few of them speak English, very few have any intention of returning home and very few appear to view the lack of health care coverage as a major drawback. In short, the potential to obtain one of Uncle Sam's passport still draws people.

Sure.. and to other counties, also.. some countries are particularly valued in this context.. millions and millions of people make the move, some voluntary, some not voluntary, it's the way the world is, your money goes round the world from manufacturing nation to shipping nation, so do people. ... To Spain, to Italy, to Denmark, to Australia, to New Zealand, to Sweden, to Norway, to Ireland, to France, to the Netherlands, to Portugal, to Britain, to Canada, to Argentina, to Brazil, to Chile, to South Africa, to Kenya, you get my drift, ..... all of these places have attractions. Some places are more attractive than others.


Some places are safer for migrants, and refugees than other places... some places are where people have familial ties to, Some places are so far away from home , that is their main attraction, some places have a similar language, all different reasons..... some places feel secure for migrants, and some places don't...

(He's 24,, he has to marry a 44 yr old, and go live in Minnesota, and then wait 2 years , and then MAYBE he gets a green card.... if he wanted out of Angola he could immigrate to Portugal without any of these handicaps. )

Would he have been allowed to migrate to the USA with a criminal record? I know he would not have been able to enter AUstralia, or NZ, not even as a visitor, a tourist.... no matter who he was married to.

 

[Deleted member 349831]

Per Beau's cousin Bret, Beau's mother-in-law is in Angola taking care of the couple's five children.

2 more arrests, 1 on the run in murder-for-hire plot against Minnesota missionary in Africa

Beau Shroyer's wife and two others are in custody for an apparent muder-for-hire plot against the Detroit Lakes missionary.

www.fox9.com

 

[Herat]

Must be agony for Jackie's mother, Bret, to have to be dealing with her daughter in prison and the 5 children in somewhat legal limbo.

I assume she must be workig with the US consulate to get papers that allow her to return with the children to the US, as legal guardian.

 

[RickshawFan]

Per Beau's cousin Bret, Beau's mother-in-law is in Angola taking care of the couple's five children.

2 more arrests, 1 on the run in murder-for-hire plot against Minnesota missionary in Africa

Beau Shroyer's wife and two others are in custody for an apparent muder-for-hire plot against the Detroit Lakes missionary.

www.fox9.com

Beau's mother in law is Jackie's mom. Why are they beating around the bush (so to speak...the word play in this case is )? They don't want to even mention Jackie? This is just weird.....

 

[Herat]

Beau's mother in law is Jackie's mom.

Yes, the phrasing of her as his mother - in- law is odd.

 

[RickshawFan]

Must be agony for Jackie's mother, Bret, to have to be dealing with her daughter in prison and the 5 children in somewhat legal limbo.

I assume she must be workig with the US consulate to get papers that allow her to return with the children to the US, as legal guardian.

Some random thoughts....
At least one child is not a minor, though? I feel very sorry for the older daughter, but IMO there are situations where you have to roll up your sleeves and get super adult. A non-minor could easily fly back with younger siblings. (Heck, minors could do it without any adult; happens all the time for kids going to boarding schools, etc.). They've even done the flight several times with parents, and the airline would almost certainly keep an eye on them. I doubt paperwork would be needed.
The embassy would surely expedite paperwork, but I don't believe any would be needed to go back to the US. Guardianship would be a Minnesota matter. If a visa was required for Jackie's mother to enter Angola, they clearly took care of it ASAP.

I find it very odd if Jackie's mother is the one who ends up with the kids. Totally Jared Bridegan... I am suspicious about this whole case.

All in all....why haven't the kids gone back to the US already? IMO there's something going on officially that we don't know anything about. Perhaps the investigation goes deeper than we imagine.

 

[Herat]

We don't really understand how the wheels of justice work in Angola.

I assume the US consulate is giving advice about the timing of issues in the arrest and trials. They also likely reached out to her mother to come to Angola to be in charge of the care of the children while this all transpires, and to be a liason with her incarcerated daughter.

Perhaps there is some legal testimony from the non-minor child that the US consulate feels is important, and they do not want the non-minor to stay while the others return to the US.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“I’m so sorry and simply do not have words to express my disbelief and sorrow about this news,” Easton said in the statement announcing Jackie’s arrest. “What I can tell you is that the Shroyer children are well cared for and we will work alongside SIM USA and SIM Angola to ensure that continues to be the case.”

Missionary's Wife 'Masterminded' His Murder Because She Was Having Affair with Security Guard: Police

Beau Shroyer, originally from Minnesota, was killed on Oct. 25. Days later his wife and two Angolan men were arrested.

people.com

 

[Herat]

Sure.. and to other counties, also.. some countries are particularly valued in this context.. millions and millions of people make the move, some voluntary, some not voluntary, it's the way the world is, your money goes round the world from manufacturing nation to shipping nation, so do people. ... To Spain, to Italy, to Denmark, to Australia, to New Zealand, to Sweden, to Norway, to Ireland, to France, to the Netherlands, to Portugal, to Britain, to Canada, to Argentina, to Brazil, to Chile, to South Africa, to Kenya, you get my drift, ..... all of these places have attractions. Some places are more attractive than others.


Some places are safer for migrants, and refugees than other places... some places are where people have familial ties to, Some places are so far away from home , that is their main attraction, some places have a similar language, all different reasons..... some places feel secure for migrants, and some places don't...

(He's 24,, he has to marry a 44 yr old, and go live in Minnesota, and then wait 2 years , and then MAYBE he gets a green card.... if he wanted out of Angola he could immigrate to Portugal without any of these handicaps. )

Would he have been allowed to migrate to the USA with a criminal record? I know he would not have been able to enter AUstralia, or NZ, not even as a visitor, a tourist.... no matter who he was married to.

For any immigration visa, which includes an immigration by marriage visa, or even a visitor visa to the US, a police background check in the country of their passport is mandatory.

That would stop any further progress. There is no way her purported lover was ever getting into the US.

 

[Marie A]

I'm not the poster you're responding to, however I don't see this "incredible selflessness" you're referring to. If you mean simply by being a missionary in a foreign country, be aware that not everybody will see it that way. MOO

No, I don’t mean simply by being a missionary in a foreign country.
Not by any means.
I mean by raising and educating five children who appear to be healthy/happy / thriving.
Being a good mother is certainly selfless.
I mean by following her husband on a dangerous mission that proved fatal for him. Maybe something he felt called to do.
She wasn’t the missionary and I seriously doubt it was her decision to embark on this journey. I think she was a follower and likely is seriously second guessing and condemning the decision to embark on the ill-fated adventure in light of the tragic death of her husband and accusations levied on her.

 

[Trooper]

For any immigration visa, which includes an immigration by marriage visa, or even a visitor visa to the US, a police background check in the country of their passport is mandatory.

That would stop any further progress. There is no way her purported lover was ever getting into the US.

I was not sure if that was how things were,... of course , one gets checked , one's visa application is checked before leaving home , but as a 'husband' he would eventually get entry.....My port of entry used to be Honolulu, but now, due to technology, I go straight thru to Dallas, from Sydney and going thru immigration there is a lot longer and more involved. But I'm not trying to stay in the USA, I am only in transit.

But what struck me about Jackie, was, she was prepared to murder to PREVENT RETURNING to the USA. That's what all the reports say, she did not want to go back, she did not want to leave Angola, she was jibbing at being made to return to the USA with her husband, so the solution to that, and the solution must have been appealing to the boyfriend , he didn't want to leave Angola, and he didn't want her to leave, they seemed both in agreement, so much so, they were both prepared to kill for it.

So there was something back home, back in the USA that Jackie was not haviing a bar of, she dug her heels in and got down and organised a program whereby she would not only not be made to go back home to Minnesota, but would get rid of the person to whom she was obliged to follow back home to Minnesota.

That it was a ridiculous , idiotic plan is neither here nor there, she was a desperate woman, it was the only solution that occurred to her.

That is the exact opposite of someone dribblingly determined to migrate to the USA. Even a citizen did not want to go back....

 

[Columbo Was The Best]

I don’t. I think it went exactly as they said. I think Jackie is a grade A nut job and did everything they are accusing her of.

I agree and I think all the previous comments about security issues, social media posts about it, etc was her scheming mind setting up a digital trail of all these dangers in Angola so that when the time came to pay for the murder she would have all of this to help in case authorities grew suspicious of her... She has been planning this for quite some time. Horrendous that a 44 year old man has died all because of this horny middle-aged woman who only cares about herself and has not spared a thought for her children and the devastating consequences it would have for them to lose their father.

 

[PNW]

I think another angle would be ... it is not really socially acceptable for a grown woman to be smoozing up to and sitting closely with young African boys., either in private or public... I am sorry if this sounds harsh and prudish, but it is how a very great deal of Southern African communities run their lives.. In Central Africa, like the Congo, and Uganda, Somalia, etc, you'd be thrashed publicly.. Northern and Western Africa ,well.... you'd not be seeing the light of day for quite some time.. much is expected of women , behavior-wise, and there are no ifs or buts about it.

Have you been to Africa? I’ve traveled extensively throughout North Africa (and Ghana), as a woman, and have had no issues making “friends” with the street kids. I’ve taken kids out to eat, had them wander the city with me, etc. I hate when people paint pictures of Africa that just simply aren’t true.

 

[Sleuthine]

All in all....why haven't the kids gone back to the US already? IMO there's something going on officially that we don't know anything about. Perhaps the investigation goes deeper than we imagine.

Not necessarily. Minors need to leave and fly cross-country. What - in very many cases/countries - needs permission by the guardians. Here one parent is dead and the other one is in jail. It might just take a while to get things sorted out...

 

[PNW]

I literally think this entire thing is bull.
I don’t believe for a minute that Jackie had relations with a 20 year old native.
I don’t believe there was an offer of $50k for an assassination- which would equate to millions of dollars in a country where a decent monthly salary is $250- that’s ridiculous.
I believe these guys stole $5000 from Jackie and family - one was supposed to be their own security guard. I believe they killed the husband and tried to frame her after they were caught.
Lastly I think hell would freeze over before Jackie would want to stay in Angola with her kids and without her husband. They repeatedly complained of safety issues/ danger.
This is far fetched and ridonculous. Who believes this crud? Whoever made it up must hate Jackie.
All IMHO

I believe it.

 

[Herat]

I was not sure if that was how things were,... of course , one gets checked , one's visa application is checked before leaving home , but as a 'husband' he would eventually get entry.....My port of entry used to be Honolulu, but now, due to technology, I go straight thru to Dallas, from Sydney and going thru immigration there is a lot longer and more involved. But I'm not trying to stay in the USA, I am only in transit.

But what struck me about Jackie, was, she was prepared to murder to PREVENT RETURNING to the USA. That's what all the reports say, she did not want to go back, she did not want to leave Angola, she was jibbing at being made to return to the USA with her husband, so the solution to that, and the solution must have been appealing to the boyfriend , he didn't want to leave Angola, and he didn't want her to leave, they seemed both in agreement, so much so, they were both prepared to kill for it.

So there was something back home, back in the USA that Jackie was not haviing a bar of, she dug her heels in and got down and organised a program whereby she would not only not be made to go back home to Minnesota, but would get rid of the person to whom she was obliged to follow back home to Minnesota.

That it was a ridiculous , idiotic plan is neither here nor there, she was a desperate woman, it was the only solution that occurred to her.

That is the exact opposite of someone dribblingly determined to migrate to the USA. Even a citizen did not want to go back....

The US Immigration process requires a police report from the country of the non-US spouses passport, and can require police reports from additional countries as evidenced by whatever is in their passport.

Just being the spouse of a US citizen does not allow you entrance without serious scrutiny and you cannot enter or transit the US without the proper visa.

As an Australian, you could enter or transit the US on the Visa Waiver Program using the ESTA application. Angolans would not be eligible for that.

 

[Trooper]

Have you been to Africa? I’ve traveled extensively throughout North Africa (and Ghana), as a woman, and have had no issues making “friends” with the street kids. I’ve taken kids out to eat, had them wander the city with me, etc. I hate when people paint pictures of Africa that just simply aren’t true.

The whole point of 'street kids' , in Ghana ( where English is generally spoken , Ghana being a former English colony ) is, to 'make friends' with wandering tourist women who take them 'out to eat' and 'wander the city with them'... this is what could be called the profession of street kids, in Ghana, Gabon, Gibraltar, in downtown Rome, or Paris, or Madrid, in Rio, in good old London. Even in my hometown, Sydney. Doesn't mean it's seen as socially acceptable, by the local citizens.

 

[PNW]

In answer to your question:
I’m not saying it’s not possible. Teachers fall in love with their students blah blah
I’m simply saying I do not believe that Jackie engaged in an extramarital affair with a native Angolan while spreading the word of God in a place that is very uncomfortable and where she and her husband repeatedly vocalized concern for the welfare of their family while facing danger/ break ins at home and such.
This is no Casey Anthony who never reports her baby missing and has no qualms breaking up a marriage/ being with a married man.
This woman is raising and home schooling 5 children in a desolate part of Angola without basic comforts because of a selfless mission to serve others.
I’m not buying this ludicrous story and I pray that the state department doesn’t buy it either. She’s in a very dangerous position and so are her children.
I believe wholeheartedly that Jackie is the victim of egregious lies after the murder of her husband by three greedy thieves.
On that note right back at you- why are you willing to believe the worst about someone who has shown incredible selflessness? SMH
All IMHO

Selflessness?? You believe missionaries are selfless??
And they weren’t living in some desolate community. The city has 1 million people.

 

[Trooper]

The US Immigration process requires a police report from the country of the non-US spouses passport, and can require police reports from additional countries as evidenced by whatever is in their passport.

Just being the spouse of a US citizen does not allow you entrance without serious scrutiny and you cannot enter or transit the US without the proper visa.

Which is why I really do not think this whole murder was because some young Angolan bloke was crazy keen to get to the USA. Killing the husband would not have automatically made his migration any easier.

And particularly, since the actual USA citizen involved ( Jackie) was so adamant about not going back to the USA that killing the Mister had no barriers to logic whatsoever...

I mean, Angola is interesting and all that, and one can get used to the tropics, but .. her determination not to be repatriated back to Minnesota has an air of real battiness... . how nuts is that??

 

[PNW]

Seems nuts to me! How about right outside the bathroom door?

Because there no mirror outside the door??