MN - Beau Shroyer, Wife of Detroit Lakes missionary killed in Angola arrested in connection to his death

[Kemug]

Plus the kids probably don't want to go back to the US and leave their mother behind.

 

[Knox]

Actually you would think that he would be interested in the teenage daughters, if anyone, as they were much nearer his age!

That’s what I thought as well. But if he showed any kind of attention to either of the two oldest teens. Bernadino likely wouldn’t have lasted long. Beau, I assume would have been very protective.

 

[RickshawFan]

Plus the kids probably don't want to go back to the US and leave their mother behind.

While I’m sure that’s true, unaccompanied minors let loose in a country is more complicated than having them on a plane. Imagine putting your children in this position.

 

[iamshadow21]

While I’m sure that’s true, unaccompanied minors let loose in a country is more complicated than having them on a plane. Imagine putting your children in this position.

Especially as these children are potentially the best witnesses to the dynamics of the household and their parents' relationship and their relationships with others. In particular the older children may have very important information to give, things that they have observed or overheard.

They may have to give statements or even testimony before they leave.

MOO

 

[Knox]

Especially as these children are potentially the best witnesses to the dynamics of the household and their parents' relationship and their relationships with others. In particular the older children may have very important information to give, things that they have observed or overheard.

They may have to give statements or even testimony before they leave.

MOO

Beau was killed October 25th. Surely CIS has interviewed them already?

 

[RickshawFan]

I've been thinking some of those kids might be witnesses,,. One reason Angola Justica Sistema may have required them to stay in country., if that is who is keeping them home bound.. ... the fact that he lived in the house, 'having fun' signified to me that he was 'one of the family,' a most unusual and gossip provoking situation, which all the other missionaries would know, they don't mix by, by golly , their staff do, and how.

Your description of how things are bought back so many memories.. the rigid timetables to allow staff to attend chores, the inviolable meal times, .. the eye signals my mother gave me to behave in front of staff... ( she still does it to me )

It would be the talk of the town, and those kids must have seen the surreptitious cuddle behind a suddenly shut door, the secret hand holds, and god alone knows what else, suffice to say , kids see everything, Everything you thought they didn't .

And Manuel , our hard working Superintendent, would want to know all about this engine that drove this crime to it's hideous conclusion.

In general I don’t think staff-employer intimacy between a white woman and a local staff member was common. Perhaps things are different now. I don’t think I ever heard anything even vaguely in the gossip.

I’ll bet Manuel interviewed Don Juan’s (I forget his name) previous employer. Was he fired? He started out for the Shroyers under contract with a security company, yes? I’m suspicious the employer caught him up to no good.

For all SM has settled on this being some kind of cabalistic framing of a poor innocent American in a less-than-civilized country, this case requires pretty straightforward detective work. There’s really nothing complicated here. It’s basic “interview witnesses and the previous employer” kind of stuff. There’d be a language issue with the kids, and they’d have to use child-appropriate interview techniques. This would involve a psychologist. But public universities are a good source for those, and Angola has public universities. Plus, there’s no reason they couldn’t tap virtual consultation from another country, if they need an experienced forensic interviewer.

They even caught Jackie at the scene of the crime, plus one of the perps, which seems to be a quite remarkably felicitous turn of events. Yup, basic detective work from there. They got the rental car info, stopped a perp at the border, apparently all in good time. Neatly done.

A detail I can’t picture….Jackie hanging out in the bush (a bush?), calling 911 (so to speak), and waiting for emergency services to arrive? How would there be emergency services in the bush? And how long is this taking? And did the perps simply run off leaving her stranded there? They did escape in the rental and left her with the bloody car and the corpse. And who’s making the SOS call? Very hard to talk on the phone if your language skills aren’t the best.

Imagine having to deal with all this right when the US president is coming to visit. That’s the biggest visit in the world, and LE will be working night and day for that to go smoothly.

 

[RickshawFan]

Especially as these children are potentially the best witnesses to the dynamics of the household and their parents' relationship and their relationships with others. In particular the older children may have very important information to give, things that they have observed or overheard.

They may have to give statements or even testimony before they leave.

MOO

This is weeks now, though.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Some more details about their past and early life......
But then again, imo, "testimonies" are always about straying and finding the path to salvation.

Before leaving for Angola, missionary and wife charged with his murder shared troubled paths to Jesus

Barely a year after the COVID-19 pandemic began in March 2021, and shortly before they would jet off to Angola in southern Africa with their five children to do missionary work, Beau Shroyer and his

www.christianpost.com

 

[RickshawFan]

Has anyone read Durrell’s Virgin and the Gypsy? I believe at one time it was a banned book. I got stuck teaching it once, because it was the only available book a school had with 14 copies, one for each class member. It was an abridged ESL, version. The students (all young women) were from developing countries. Though all were over 18, they knew nothing about sex. I mean…trying to discuss “virgin” and why an intimate relationship with a gypsy might be problematic… and then my students wanted to know about why Virgin Airlines
At any rate, that book is about a privileged, sheltered, white woman (in England) who becomes enamored of a gypsy. She is drawn by the exotic and taboo elements of gypsies, their marginal social status, the fact they worked with their hands, they don’t live in caravans, not houses, they live communally, they’re transient, skin, bright colors, flashy jewelry, exposed muscles, etc….everything the young woman is not and has never been exposed to.
I imagine the Shroyer household something like this, where the attraction was to everything taboo, the entire package of it all, the rescuing of a savage, the colors of Africa versus this bland family, etc.

FWIW the virgin and the gypsy hop into bed in the last scene. My students thought they were having a nice little cuddle. Lol.
But, this brings up another point. The Shroyer kids might be very sheltered and clueless. Many evangelical families don’t teach their kids about sex. It might, for real, be difficult for LE to get info from them, because they don’t know about birds and bees, and have no frame to look at some behavior of their mother’s as being sexual. They might, in fact, be blind with ignorance. They were all enjoying the security guard being part of their family. So?

 

[RickshawFan]

For the good of the order, I wanted to find that IG photo of the security guard joining in the “fun” at the Shroyer household. I thought I’d re-post it, but now I can’t find it. Anyone?

 

[RickshawFan]

Some more details about their past and early life......
But then again, imo, "testimonies" are always about straying and finding the path to salvation.

Before leaving for Angola, missionary and wife charged with his murder shared troubled paths to Jesus

Barely a year after the COVID-19 pandemic began in March 2021, and shortly before they would jet off to Angola in southern Africa with their five children to do missionary work, Beau Shroyer and his

www.christianpost.com

Oh! There you have it. The couples dynamic, the “bad girl” theme, the tenuous faith, taking the easy path, running with the wrong people, domestic fights… the entire context for murder in Africa.

 

[RickshawFan]

New episode:

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Has anyone read Durrell’s Virgin and the Gypsy? I believe at one time it was a banned book. I got stuck teaching it once, because it was the only available book a school had with 14 copies, one for each class member. It was an abridged ESL, version. The students (all young women) were from developing countries. Though all were over 18, they knew nothing about sex. I mean…trying to discuss “virgin” and why an intimate relationship with a gypsy might be problematic… and then my students wanted to know about why Virgin Airlines
At any rate, that book is about a privileged, sheltered, white woman (in England) who becomes enamored of a gypsy. She is drawn by the exotic and taboo elements of gypsies, their marginal social status, the fact they worked with their hands, they don’t live in caravans, not houses, they live communally, they’re transient, skin, bright colors, flashy jewelry, exposed muscles, etc….everything the young woman is not and has never been exposed to.
I imagine the Shroyer household something like this, where the attraction was to everything taboo, the entire package of it all, the rescuing of a savage, the colors of Africa versus this bland family, etc.

FWIW the virgin and the gypsy hop into bed in the last scene. My students thought they were having a nice little cuddle. Lol.
But, this brings up another point. The Shroyer kids might be very sheltered and clueless. Many evangelical families don’t teach their kids about sex. It might, for real, be difficult for LE to get info from them, because they don’t know about birds and bees, and have no frame to look at some behavior of their mother’s as being sexual. They might, in fact, be blind with ignorance. They were all enjoying the security guard being part of their family. So?

wow.... I just cannot get over the image of you TEACHING this book to these girls!!!!

 

[scapa]

wow.... I just cannot get over the image of you TEACHING this book to these girls!!!!

Hah! Ditto.

I read the Alexandria Quartet as a kid stuck at home sick for weeks and that was some eye opener. Even beyond the hazily purple prose and Henry Millerisms -- my poor parents faced many difficult questions from me over ensuing weeks.

IMO, this case is just what it seems. These seem like people for whom evangelical religion in heavy doses seemed like a tenuous solution to a set of real problems largely between themselves, rather than a logical extensions to existing deep faith. These problems are then exacerbated by missionary exuberance and what seems like failure to adapt or understand.

The murder, for me, is exactly the same sort of tenuous solution to the same set of problems, even less thought out or understand. J's life thus far reads like a failed search for self, partly because of the old "there's no there there" truism. The problems may have been real, but the solutions were fantasy, albeit with the power to do profound and lasting harm.

IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[RickshawFan]

wow.... I just cannot get over the image of you TEACHING this book to these girls!!!!

It was one of my most brilliant teaching experiences, lol, because I dug DEEP, really DEEP, to look for literary analysis themes to keep from hanging up the class in sex questions. I was in the zone! Where are they? One is getting a Ph.D.at the Sorbonne, another a Ph.D. in the Netherlands and yet another in New Zealand, one is one of Obama's "Future Leaders of the World," 2 went to Oxford and 1 to Cambridge. Not bad, huh? All from different countries. IMO they know a lot more about birds and bees at this point.
But that book, the Virgin and the Gypsy, captures what I believe we're seeing go down chez Shroyers.

 

[RickshawFan]

Hah! Ditto.

I read the Alexandria Quartet as a kid stuck at home sick for weeks and that was some eye opener. Even beyond the hazily purple prose and Henry Millerisms -- my poor parents faced many difficult questions from me over ensuing weeks.

IMO, this case is just what it seems. These seem like people for whom evangelical religion in heavy doses seemed like a tenuous solution to a set of real problems largely between themselves, rather than a logical extensions to existing deep faith. These problems are then exacerbated by missionary exuberance and what seems like failure to adapt or understand.

The murder, for me, is exactly the same sort of tenuous solution to the same set of problems, even less thought out or understand. J's life thus far reads like a failed search for self, partly because of the old "there's no there there" truism. The problems may have been real, but the solutions were fantasy, albeit with the power to do profound and lasting harm.

IMO, MOO, etc.

Wow, this seems so on target. You've totally captured the gestalt of it IMO. They erected a scaffold of a life and roofed it over with religion, with no foundation.

What that video also suggests to me is that this catastrophe is not just about Jackie, but about Beau, too. They were both trying to shore up their lives, separately and together IMO. And for some unfathomable reason, they chose an unstructured life in Angola for the setting.

 

[RickshawFan]

FBI agents stationed in American embassies. No doubt, the FBI is integral to this case.

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/international-offices

 

[Inthedetails]

The guard is closer in age to her daughter. So strange.

jmo

 

[Sleuthine]

There’s a section on international travel in that document. It’s clear there’s not a problem. Kids fly unaccompanied hither and yon all over the world. Us kids did that routinely, including several plane changes; we stayed overnight in motels by ourselves. From age 10 and up. Typical for boarding school kids. Evidently, the practice continues, pretty much unchanged. We’re talking hundreds of kids. British Airways used to have nannies to shepherd them around.
You might not notice these kids on a plane or realize they’re unaccompanied. They’re put on the plane before other travelers. I’ve never heard of acting out, except maybe my 10-year-old brother scampering around O’hare while his 12 year old sister was pulling her hair out. Our 4th change of plane on that trip.

At any rate, I would guess the kids are being held in Angola for some reason, and it’s not about travel. Guardianship could be quickly arranged, because the options for next of kin seem to be few in that family. Otherwise, they’d be wards of Minnesota CPS.

I’ve never heard of their being a problem with a parent taking kids traveling without the other parent’s consent, unless there’s a custody arrangement. One parent is plenty of legal guardian. But you don’t have to have a guardian with you at all.

I don't want to go too much OT with this and argue as it is not crucial at all, but things might have changed over the years. Kids do need permission. From prior experience, my children cannot even get on a plane with me being present without my spouse's approval. Same vice versa. And we aren't in custody arrangements, we are a happy family where one parent wants to simply take the kids out of country for travel. Might not be always checked but these are facts.

 

[Inthedetails]

I don't want to go too much OT with this and argue as it is not crucial at all, but things might have changed over the years. Kids do need permission. From prior experience, my children cannot even get on a plane with me being present without my spouse's approval. Same vice versa. And we aren't in custody arrangements, we are a happy family where one parent wants to simply take the kids out of country for travel. Might not be always checked but these are facts.

We had the same situation when my then-minor son and husband traveled to Europe without me. My husband and I were (and are) married, but I had to provide written, notarized permission for my son to be taken out of the country.