MN - Daunte Wright, 20, fatally shot by police during traffic stop, Brooklyn Center, 11 April 2021

[JaimeInLA]

Everyone should have the conversation with their children, husband, boyfriend girlfriend, white, black, whatever, that you do as the officer says and SHUT UP. I don't care if you think it's unfair or what, you can sort that out later but in the meantime, comply and shut up!!

My husband had a tiff with a TSA agent in the airport. It was luck they let him go, as I thought they were going to arrest him. I told him if he was ever to mouth off again and act like an , I 'd leave him behind, get on the flight without him, and he could handle the fallout by himself. Thankfully, that hasn't been an issue since.

Sorry, but I completely disagree with this. In general, I am polite and respectful to everyone when first encountering them. But if they act like an a$$hole for no reason — why should I show respect?

Cops aren’t the president. THEY WORK FOR US!!

I have encountered so many cops with a chip on their shoulder and it’s completely unacceptable. Let me give you an example - I have an expensive luxury sports car that draws attention from cops. Last year I got pulled over for holding my cell phone in my hand. Totally my fault. I was searching an address on Google maps. I took full responsibility and was polite to the cop. He leaned all the way into my car, got right in my face, and said, “you spent all this money on this thing, doesn’t it have Bluetooth?”

(I do realize that is completely a white person problem and I’m not in anyway trying to compare that to the problems others are experiencing. I’m just trying to make the point that sometimes police officers can be unnecessarily rude, and I should not be expected to be polite in return. I pay their salary. I did something wrong, I deserved the ticket, I was gracious about that. He should have been polite and gone on his merry way instead of choosing to be a d!ck.)

And yes, it has Bluetooth. But that’s literally not how Google maps works. Duh.

 

[JaimeInLA]

Ooops!!! Deleted it because it was a duplicate post.

 

[branmuffin]

I think there's a difference between having authority and being authoritarian. People in positions of power have to learn the difference. Putting on a badge doesn't give you the power to expect the general public to conform to every command you give. We've seen that play out in other countries never with good results. We also just saw it play out with the army lieutenant who was given conflicting orders when pulled over which could have gotten him killed. And then he was was threatened by the officers not to escalate the situation.

Cops aren't god. Paramount, they are there to protect the community. So every time they pull someone over you should ask yourself, what is the benefit? What was the benefit of pulling DW over when it was for the petty reason of an air freshener? LE have admitted that charge is still on the books in many states as a pretext to stop individuals so they can check for drugs, weapons or what have you. So ask yourself something. How many people have you seen with air fresheners hanging from the rearview? I see hundreds driving on highways. Right now as I write this thousands of people are driving with face masks dangling off the rearview due to covid. I could walk through the Walmart parking lot where I live and see them. I'm sure it's the same in the US. Cops should go there. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[PrairieWind]

But how does one learn if they have any warrants? I have faced a friend who was in handcuffs because of an issue with her pet (outstanding warrant)
I was once stopped by police in a very odd circumstance, and for spurious reasons IMO.
Both situations were ultimately resolved, without resistance or violence on either side. I would add that myself and my friend were both absolutely petrified.

I have done criminal law for 20 years. When you get a ticket, the officer writes it out and has you sign. Your address (probably taken from your drivers license/ID) is on that citation. You sign it. That address is where the court will send your notices of hearing, and if you fail to appear, usually another notice to appear, and then ultimately your notice of a summons or warrant. It is the citizen's responsibility to look and see if that address is correct. If you get a ticket for something, and don't hear anything for months, again, it is your responsibility to check and see what is going on.

 

[PrairieWind]

Exactly.This young man didn't have to die and she didn't even follow the rules with her use of the taser.You are supposed to give the person time to respond but she yelled taser and shot right away.We can't keep making excuses for these types of cops because they are a disgrace to the many good cops out there.Enough is enough.

She warned him twice "I'll taze you" about 10-5 seconds before she yells "taser taser taser." She made a bad mistake in grabbing the wrong weapon, but there is no question that Wright actively resisted, unlawfully, and was warned he was about to be tased.

 

[PrairieWind]

I think there's a difference between having authority and being authoritarian. People in positions of power have to learn the difference. Putting on a badge doesn't give you the power to expect the general public to conform to every command you give. We've seen that play out in other countries never with good results. We also just saw it play out with the army lieutenant who was given conflicting orders when pulled over which could have gotten him killed. And then he was was threatened by the officers not to escalate the situation.

Cops aren't god. Paramount, they are there to protect the community. So every time they pull someone over you should ask yourself, what is the benefit? What was the benefit of pulling DW over when it was for the petty reason of an air freshener? LE have admitted that charge is still on the books in many states as a pretext to stop individuals so they can check for drugs, weapons or what have you. So ask yourself something. How many people have you seen with air fresheners hanging from the rearview? I see hundreds driving on highways. Right now as I write this thousands of people are driving with face masks dangling off the rearview due to covid. I could walk through the Walmart parking lot where I live and see them. I'm sure it's the same in the US. Cops should go there. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

Wasn't he pulled over for expired tags? The air freshener wasn't found until the officer walked up, but by then they knew he had the outstanding warrant.

 

[tara83]

She warned him twice "I'll taze you" about 10-5 seconds before she yells "taser taser taser." She made a bad mistake in grabbing the wrong weapon, but there is no question that Wright actively resisted, unlawfully, and was warned he was about to be tased.

The point is that the male officer was handling the situation fine until she stepped in with violence.We can't keep defending officers who murder people.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Wasn't he pulled over for expired tags? The air freshener wasn't found until the officer walked up, but by then they knew he had the outstanding warrant.

LE always checks on their computers to see if a person has wants and/or warrants.

 

[Sincerely]

There’s no way I would be a police officer in today’s environment. Not just today’s but the last decade’s environment. People protesting are only concerned for one thing and are not fighting to reduce the factors that led all involved to that one moment. Yes, a significant moment but the other issues should not be swept under the rug. I’m all for letting us police ourselves. I never post on controversial threads because of confirmation bias. I’m not changing anyone’s mind and no one is changing mine. Off I go.

If she did accidently pull her firearm thinking it was her taser they need to watch her closely by putting her own suicide watch.

She would know immediately how people would adversely react.

This year 42 LE have already committed suicide.

Jmho

 

[tara83]

There’s no way I would be a police officer in today’s environment. Not just today’s but the last decade’s environment. People protesting are only concerned for one thing and are not fighting to reduce the factors that led all involved to that one moment. Yes, a significant moment but the other issues should not be swept under the rug. I’m all for letting us police ourselves. I never post on controversial threads because of confirmation bias. I’m not changing anyone’s mind and no one is changing mine. Off I go.

Sigh.So the police officer is the victim in this case?

 

[branmuffin]

Wasn't he pulled over for expired tags? The air freshener wasn't found until the officer walked up, but by then they knew he had the outstanding warrant.

He told his mom he was pulled over for the air freshener so I believe him. According to the police chief, expired tags were being forgiven because of Covid. He was asked if LE were aware of that and he said yes.

 

[PrairieWind]

The point is that the male officer was handling the situation fine until she stepped in with violence.We can't keep defending officers who murder people.

How do you define "with violence?" She walked up and reached her hand out. Is that violence?

 

[tara83]

How do you define "with violence?" She walked up and reached her hand out. Is that violence?

She shot him dead.I would call that violence.

 

[PrairieWind]

Sigh.So the police officer is the victim in this case?

That isn't even close to what Sincerely said.

 

[PrairieWind]

She shot him dead.I would call that violence.

That was well after HE turned violent and tried to flee. What violence was there before HE decided to flee a lawful arrest?

 

[tara83]

That was well after HE turned violent and tried to flee. What violence was there before HE decided to flee a lawful arrest?

So fleeing is considered violent?

 

[Gibbo214]

That was well after HE turned violent and tried to flee. What violence was there before HE decided to flee a lawful arrest?

He wasnt violent, though. IMO. It is still not clear to me why she walked up to him and tried to touch him. The male officer was handcuffing him with no resistance.
Something really scared him IMO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

She warned him twice "I'll taze you" about 10-5 seconds before she yells "taser taser taser." She made a bad mistake in grabbing the wrong weapon, but there is no question that Wright actively resisted, unlawfully, and was warned he was about to be tased.

Hi there!

As an aside:

We have five children, and when they each became of driving age we stressed to each one if ever stopped by a police officer for any reason it was very important for them to calmly comply. I would think all parents have had this same conversation with their own children.

But I have some questions please Prairie Wind.

When an officer stops someone, and pulls up behind them where they can see their license plate would they know if the one they stopped has outstanding violations such vehicle violations?

Are they able to run information on the subject before the officer gets out of their vehicle such as having outstanding warrants or other criminal history?

TIA!

jmhoo

 

[PrairieWind]

He wasnt violent, though. IMO. It is still not clear to me why she walked up to him and tried to touch him. The male officer was handcuffing him with no resistance.
Something really scared him IMO.

Wright (with a warrant for a violent crime) isn't violent when he jerks away from an officer conducting a lawful arrest, resists arrest, jumps back into his car, is NOT violent, but a female officer walking up, not saying anything and reaching her hand out IS violent? Ok.

 

[PrairieWind]

Hi there!

As an aside:

We have five children, and when they each became of driving age we stressed to each one if ever stopped by a police officer for any reason it was very important for them to calmly comply. I would think all parents have had this same conversation with their own children.

But I have some questions please Prairie Wind.

When an officer stops someone, and pulls up behind them where they can see their license plate would they know if the one they stopped has outstanding violations such vehicle violations?

Are they able to run information on the subject before the officer gets out of their vehicle such as having outstanding warrants or other criminal history?

TIA!

jmhoo

I'll try to answer your questions. First, when an officer calls in a vehicles license plate, the information the officer receives will be on the vehicle and its registered owner. Not necessarily the driver of course. I have not heard in this case if Wright was the registered owner. If he was, the return from the lic plate would have likely shown the warrant. If not, when the officer approaches and requests and sees the driver's DL, he would run that and the warrant would show up. The video we see in this case only starts well after the initial stop, which we can determine because there are already three officers on the scene.