MN - Daunte Wright, 20, fatally shot by police during traffic stop, Brooklyn Center, 11 April 2021

[Jax49]

So, as best we know her taser would have had a bright yellow section? And her gun was black?

 

[NoSI]

Just some info about left and right confusion... Scroll and roll if not interested...

Why Do I Confuse Left and Right?
Scientific insights into the annoying everyday problem of left-right confusion.

...

Left-right confusion is actually quite frequent in everyday life and happens to lots of people whenever a task requires them to differentiate between the two sides, and particularly under time pressure, such as when giving someone directions to turn left or right while sitting in the passenger seat of a fast-moving car.

...

On the one hand, differentiating between left and right is more complicated than differentiating between up and down, as what is left and what is right changes depending on the vantage point. Most of the time, we distinguish left and right from our own perspective, but if we have to distinguish them from the perspective of a person facing us, the side of our left arm is the side of their right arm — confusing, isn’t it?

On the other hand, differentiating between left and right is more complicated than differentiating between up and down, as the distinction is completely arbitrary, and there are no physical laws underlying it. You want to know what is up and what is down? Pick up an apple, and then drop it. Where it lands is usually down. Left and right? Not so easy.

...

A surprising number of people experience issues with telling left from right in their daily lives, so if this ever happens to you, you are in good company. The first large study on the topic was published in the 1970s and investigated a sample of doctors and their spouses (Wolf, 1973). The result? About 9 percent of men and 17 percent of women stated that they frequently experienced left-right confusion in their daily lives. Some more recent studies estimate the numbers to be even higher. For example, an Australian study from 1990 found that about one-third of people at least sometimes experienced frustration with everyday situations that involve the discrimination of left and right (McMonnies, 1990).

While most left-right confusions in everyday life are harmless, there are certain jobs in which you really do not want to confuse left and right — surgeon probably comes to mind first. Disturbingly, left-right confusions in a medical setting still happen more often than one might think. For example, in January 2000, two doctors at a hospital in South Wales accidentally removed the functioning left kidney instead of the right kidney, which eventually led to the patient’s death (Dyer, 2004).

While left-right differentiation in itself is not necessarily a complicated task, medical professionals are often under enormous time pressure, which could enhance the chance of left-right confusions and other errors. Indeed, medical students often report insecurities in telling left from right (Gormley et al., 2019).

...

Lots more info at link: Why Do I Confuse Left and Right?

 

[kittythehare]

She served 28 years and doesn't appear to have any problems. How does resigning save her pension? Explain that to me. She loved her job, clearly. You think she loved that last day? Clearly not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr...com/nation/2021/04/13/daunte-wright-shooting/

Ex-Officer Accused of Murdering Floyd Could Get $50,000 Annual Pension

It is not yet known whether she had problems or not.
The above links will explain pension adequately, I trust?

There is nothing clear yet, as you know.

 

[sds71]

According to the criminal complaint, Potter’s Taser was yellow with a black grip:

[URL="https://www.startribune.com/daunte-wright-brooklyn-center-minnesota-kim-potter-police-shooting-bodycam-taser-handgun/600021041/"]Breaking down the video: What happened during Daunte Wright's fatal traffic stop[/URL]

https://www.startribune.com/brooklyn-center-police-officer-kim-potter-daunte-wright-minnesota-taser-shooting/600045971/?refresh=true

 

[Sillybilly]

Thread is closed for a bit.

We understand the angst associated with this case and others, but members and guests do not come here to read bickering or rude posts.

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[Sillybilly]

Thread is open again.

 

[Flurries]

Just some info about left and right confusion... Scroll and roll if not interested...

Why Do I Confuse Left and Right?
Scientific insights into the annoying everyday problem of left-right confusion.

...

Left-right confusion is actually quite frequent in everyday life and happens to lots of people whenever a task requires them to differentiate between the two sides, and particularly under time pressure, such as when giving someone directions to turn left or right while sitting in the passenger seat of a fast-moving car.

...

On the one hand, differentiating between left and right is more complicated than differentiating between up and down, as what is left and what is right changes depending on the vantage point. Most of the time, we distinguish left and right from our own perspective, but if we have to distinguish them from the perspective of a person facing us, the side of our left arm is the side of their right arm — confusing, isn’t it?

On the other hand, differentiating between left and right is more complicated than differentiating between up and down, as the distinction is completely arbitrary, and there are no physical laws underlying it. You want to know what is up and what is down? Pick up an apple, and then drop it. Where it lands is usually down. Left and right? Not so easy.

...

A surprising number of people experience issues with telling left from right in their daily lives, so if this ever happens to you, you are in good company. The first large study on the topic was published in the 1970s and investigated a sample of doctors and their spouses (Wolf, 1973). The result? About 9 percent of men and 17 percent of women stated that they frequently experienced left-right confusion in their daily lives. Some more recent studies estimate the numbers to be even higher. For example, an Australian study from 1990 found that about one-third of people at least sometimes experienced frustration with everyday situations that involve the discrimination of left and right (McMonnies, 1990).

While most left-right confusions in everyday life are harmless, there are certain jobs in which you really do not want to confuse left and right — surgeon probably comes to mind first. Disturbingly, left-right confusions in a medical setting still happen more often than one might think. For example, in January 2000, two doctors at a hospital in South Wales accidentally removed the functioning left kidney instead of the right kidney, which eventually led to the patient’s death (Dyer, 2004).

While left-right differentiation in itself is not necessarily a complicated task, medical professionals are often under enormous time pressure, which could enhance the chance of left-right confusions and other errors. Indeed, medical students often report insecurities in telling left from right (Gormley et al., 2019).

...

Lots more info at link: Why Do I Confuse Left and Right?

I used to work in healthcare. Many of my coworkers that had surgery would write on the opposite limb, “Not This One.” It’s a thing.

 

[KALI]

I've been on this earth in America for many decades.
Never have I seen the anger that swirls around us daily as I do now.
It is my opinion that instead of reporting the news, that news media now amps up the news to incite racial division. Undoubtedly for clicks (that entice advertisers, which equals money for them). It's very harmful to ALL of us, in my opinion.

True, I do agree Tara that all the violent attacks our police officers have been going through doesn't have anything to do with what happened to Mr. Wright.

However, in this particular killing of this young man it was not done with any purposeful intent to kill him. That should be noted too. It's the very reason the AG charged KP with a lesser degree of culpabilty for he knows he must have proof of evidence in order to prove his case BARD.

I know you will say he didnt deserve to die, and you are right, and every post since the beginning has been in 100 percent agreement with you. Not one has said he deserved this.

Yet many posters who've been for years or over a decade knows there are degrees of culpabilty even in heartbreaking cases like this one.

The circumstances surrounding this case is far different than in DCs case concerning George Floyd.

You're right all of the police officers being ambushed winding up being shot, stabbed or run over just in recent weeks alone doesn't have any direct correlation with this case. But it is a painful reminder to all of us LEOs are also being murdered or have sustained life altering injuries at an alarming rate from suspects with the intent to murder them. They also have families, friends, and commuities who mourn their loss.

There isn't anything wrong with anyone having great sympathy for ALL who have been murdered or killed by a horrible shocking accident due to gross criminal negligence on KPs part.

Some seem to have a problem when the media reports on things they've learned about the person killed no matter who it happens to be. I don't quite understand that since it's been that way here everytime someone is killed just like it is if the media finds any new information on the background of defendants.

I think we are here to learn as many facts as we can, whatever they may be surrounding every case, and we always discuss any prior history for either the victim or the defendant if the media reports on it or its found in public court documents.

In fact it's the reason we are lucky to have MEDIA threads to keep all who are interested in the cases up to date.

No victim is expected to be perfect because all human beings are imperfect in some way.

Take care.

Jmho

I'm not Tara of course, but yes I would be.

Simple traffic stops are dangerous times for our police officers, and answering domestic violence calls.

Commonly when it goes sideways for LE fast in simple traffic stops is when the person is resisting or attempting to get back in their vehicle or refuses to come out resulting in them trying to flee or fleeing.

Did you see the New Mexico police officer last week who was doing a simple traffic stop when the man got out of his vehicle, and shot him in the head killing him? It was all caught on his dashcam. The officer was blindsided without any warning. He thought the man was complying. He was dead before he could even draw his weapon. That's how quickly traffic stops can go from a simple stop to the last watch an officer will ever make in the line of duty.

Jmho

 

[kittythehare]

Kim Potter, Charged in Killing of Daunte Wright, Makes First Court Appearance

 

[margarita25]

https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1382037840633151492

"Wow: Daunte Wright’s aunt says George Floyd’s girlfriend was Daunte’s former teacher."

(huh?)

 

[mickey2942]

Just some info about left and right confusion... Scroll and roll if not interested...

Why Do I Confuse Left and Right?
Scientific insights into the annoying everyday problem of left-right confusion.

...

Left-right confusion is actually quite frequent in everyday life and happens to lots of people whenever a task requires them to differentiate between the two sides, and particularly under time pressure, such as when giving someone directions to turn left or right while sitting in the passenger seat of a fast-moving car.

...

On the one hand, differentiating between left and right is more complicated than differentiating between up and down, as what is left and what is right changes depending on the vantage point. Most of the time, we distinguish left and right from our own perspective, but if we have to distinguish them from the perspective of a person facing us, the side of our left arm is the side of their right arm — confusing, isn’t it?

On the other hand, differentiating between left and right is more complicated than differentiating between up and down, as the distinction is completely arbitrary, and there are no physical laws underlying it. You want to know what is up and what is down? Pick up an apple, and then drop it. Where it lands is usually down. Left and right? Not so easy.

...

A surprising number of people experience issues with telling left from right in their daily lives, so if this ever happens to you, you are in good company. The first large study on the topic was published in the 1970s and investigated a sample of doctors and their spouses (Wolf, 1973). The result? About 9 percent of men and 17 percent of women stated that they frequently experienced left-right confusion in their daily lives. Some more recent studies estimate the numbers to be even higher. For example, an Australian study from 1990 found that about one-third of people at least sometimes experienced frustration with everyday situations that involve the discrimination of left and right (McMonnies, 1990).

While most left-right confusions in everyday life are harmless, there are certain jobs in which you really do not want to confuse left and right — surgeon probably comes to mind first. Disturbingly, left-right confusions in a medical setting still happen more often than one might think. For example, in January 2000, two doctors at a hospital in South Wales accidentally removed the functioning left kidney instead of the right kidney, which eventually led to the patient’s death (Dyer, 2004).

While left-right differentiation in itself is not necessarily a complicated task, medical professionals are often under enormous time pressure, which could enhance the chance of left-right confusions and other errors. Indeed, medical students often report insecurities in telling left from right (Gormley et al., 2019).

...

Lots more info at link: Why Do I Confuse Left and Right?

Fantastic post. And scientifically articulated exactly what I have been saying. Differentiating between "left and right" is not always easy. I see it every single day, how many people have this problem.

 

[sds71]

(huh?)

Wright attended three different high schools, including Edison High School in Minneapolis, where he was voted “class clown” as a freshman...

After he was killed Sunday, his family learned of a connection between Wright and George Floyd, the Black man whose death under the knee of a Minneapolis police officer nearly a year ago sparked nationwide protests. Floyd’s girlfriend, Courteney Ross, said she worked with Wright while he was a student at Edison High School. Ross was a teacher’s assistant and counselor at the school, said Mason, who worked with Ross.

”(I’m) crushed. It’s enough that Floyd is gone, but for one of my youths to be gone as well,” Ross said Tuesday during a protest against police brutality in Minneapolis.

“He was just a wonderful, beautiful boy,” Ross said.

Daunte Wright: Doting dad, ballplayer, slain by police

 

[Simply Southern]

Just some info about left and right confusion... Scroll and roll if not interested...

Why Do I Confuse Left and Right?
Scientific insights into the annoying everyday problem of left-right confusion.

...

Left-right confusion is actually quite frequent in everyday life and happens to lots of people whenever a task requires them to differentiate between the two sides, and particularly under time pressure, such as when giving someone directions to turn left or right while sitting in the passenger seat of a fast-moving car.

...

On the one hand, differentiating between left and right is more complicated than differentiating between up and down, as what is left and what is right changes depending on the vantage point. Most of the time, we distinguish left and right from our own perspective, but if we have to distinguish them from the perspective of a person facing us, the side of our left arm is the side of their right arm — confusing, isn’t it?

On the other hand, differentiating between left and right is more complicated than differentiating between up and down, as the distinction is completely arbitrary, and there are no physical laws underlying it. You want to know what is up and what is down? Pick up an apple, and then drop it. Where it lands is usually down. Left and right? Not so easy.

...

A surprising number of people experience issues with telling left from right in their daily lives, so if this ever happens to you, you are in good company. The first large study on the topic was published in the 1970s and investigated a sample of doctors and their spouses (Wolf, 1973). The result? About 9 percent of men and 17 percent of women stated that they frequently experienced left-right confusion in their daily lives. Some more recent studies estimate the numbers to be even higher. For example, an Australian study from 1990 found that about one-third of people at least sometimes experienced frustration with everyday situations that involve the discrimination of left and right (McMonnies, 1990).

While most left-right confusions in everyday life are harmless, there are certain jobs in which you really do not want to confuse left and right — surgeon probably comes to mind first. Disturbingly, left-right confusions in a medical setting still happen more often than one might think. For example, in January 2000, two doctors at a hospital in South Wales accidentally removed the functioning left kidney instead of the right kidney, which eventually led to the patient’s death (Dyer, 2004).

While left-right differentiation in itself is not necessarily a complicated task, medical professionals are often under enormous time pressure, which could enhance the chance of left-right confusions and other errors. Indeed, medical students often report insecurities in telling left from right (Gormley et al., 2019).

...

Lots more info at link: Why Do I Confuse Left and Right?

I frequently travel with a friend on out of town trips, mostly shopping in large cities. She can NOT distinguish between right and left. It drives me crazy !! I've been of the mind, she just doesn't pay attention and the trips are always frustrating with turning around and redirecting our route. I stopped traveling with her, felt she was just not trying.

Feeling guilty after reading the article. I really think she can't tell the difference.
Thanks
All my opinion....

 

[NoSI]

Right - Left Confusion?
Do you ever have trouble telling right from left? Many people, even adults, say that they confuse right and left. For example, 71 of 364 (19.5%) college professors and 311 of 1185 (26.2%) college students said that they occasionally, frequently or all of the time had difficulty when they had to quickly identify right from left. In a 2020 study, 14.9% of the people surveyed said that they had difficulty distinguishing left from right.

Let's test your ability to tell right from left. In this experiment you are required to say if a hand is pointing up, down, left or right.

Take test here:
Right/Left Confusion

Source: Why Some People Have Trouble Telling Left From Right (And Why It’s So Important)

 

[Marysmith]

Right - Left Confusion?
Do you ever have trouble telling right from left? Many people, even adults, say that they confuse right and left. For example, 71 of 364 (19.5%) college professors and 311 of 1185 (26.2%) college students said that they occasionally, frequently or all of the time had difficulty when they had to quickly identify right from left. In a 2020 study, 14.9% of the people surveyed said that they had difficulty distinguishing left from right.

Let's test your ability to tell right from left. In this experiment you are required to say if a hand is pointing up, down, left or right.

Take test here:
Right/Left Confusion

Source: Why Some People Have Trouble Telling Left From Right (And Why It’s So Important)

I get all this but then maybe something should have been done to ensure a possibly easy mistake doesn’t happen like this. IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

I get all this but then maybe something should have been done to ensure a possibly easy mistake doesn’t happen like this. IMO

I think most people use their dominant hand more often. So if she was right handed, she wouldn't have to think about which was her right or left. As soon as she reached for her gun she should have realized it was her gun, not the taser. She also should have noticed the difference in weight and color. She acted too fast. She gave him a warning, but only about six seconds before she shot at a suspect in the drivers seat of a vehicle, which then became a danger to others. Imo

 

[Knitty]

Right - Left Confusion?
Do you ever have trouble telling right from left? Many people, even adults, say that they confuse right and left. For example, 71 of 364 (19.5%) college professors and 311 of 1185 (26.2%) college students said that they occasionally, frequently or all of the time had difficulty when they had to quickly identify right from left. In a 2020 study, 14.9% of the people surveyed said that they had difficulty distinguishing left from right.

Let's test your ability to tell right from left. In this experiment you are required to say if a hand is pointing up, down, left or right.

Take test here:
Right/Left Confusion

Source: Why Some People Have Trouble Telling Left From Right (And Why It’s So Important)

Someone with left/right confusion shouldn't be working in a field that relies upon NOT having left/right confusion by having them carry two different tools on two different sides with different purposes that are to be deployed for two different reasons depending upon split-second decisions.

 

[tlcya]

right left confusion just doesn't explain that day's events to me. As a 25 year veteran, if right/left confusion was an issue for her I don't see why it took 25 years to show up.

I think she was discombobulated and pulled the wrong weapon but I don't think it's because she was confused about which side was left or right. I don't know that I will ever understand how such a mistake occurs.

I will never understand why she got involved in attempting to take control of Duante when the other officer could have handled it (IMO) himself. I will never understand why that other officer didn't take Duante further back towards the rear of the vehicle prior to attempting to cuff and take him into custody. By removing him towards the back of the vehicle he would have been more geographically removed from the temptation to try to leap back into the vehicle as he did.

Just such cluster in so many ways.

 

[kittythehare]

right left confusion just doesn't explain that day's events to me. As a 25 year veteran, if right/left confusion was an issue for her I don't see why it took 25 years to show up.

I think she was discombobulated and pulled the wrong weapon but I don't think it's because she was confused about which side was left or right. I don't know that I will ever understand how such a mistake occurs.

I will never understand why she got involved in attempting to take control of Duante when the other officer could have handled it (IMO) himself. I will never understand why that other officer didn't take Duante further back towards the rear of the vehicle prior to attempting to cuff and take him into custody. By removing him towards the back of the vehicle he would have been more geographically removed from the temptation to try to leap back into the vehicle as he did.

Just such cluster in so many ways.

You nailed it!
Exactly.
All of that.

 

[NoSI]

Someone with left/right confusion shouldn't be working in a field that relies upon NOT having left/right confusion by having them carry two different tools on two different sides with different purposes that are to be deployed for two different reasons depending upon split-second decisions.

Can you honestly say that in a highly stressful situation there is zero risk of mistaking left and right even if that maybe never happened before? I look at myself and would never be comfortable with saying that i know that this will never happen to me.